2017/18 Hot Stove Thread

[moonslav59]

And I believe Tek took less money to stay with the Sox.

 

He was offered more, but turned it down. Then, Boras ended up getting him much less later.

[Bellhorn04]

That's akin to criticizing a wildly profitable stock portfolio because two of the 50 stocks tanked.

 

Scott Boras can't guarantee individual results but his overall portfolio might be the best in the business.

 

Boras almost completely blew it for A-Rod, too. A-Rod had to take matters into his own hands and go crawling to the Yankee brass. Fortunately for him Hank Steinbrenner was there to play the fool.

[mvp 78]

He was offered more, but turned it down. Then, Boras ended up getting him much less later.

 

That was when Varitek was offered 10-12 in arbitration and turned it down because he thought he would get a multi year deal? Kind of apples and oranges to me.

 

I don't think Boras is a horrible agent, I think he just misreads the market at times. Overall, I bet his players are very happy at the deals he has got for them.

[Bellhorn04]

That was when Varitek was offered 10-12 in arbitration and turned it down because he thought he would get a multi year deal? Kind of apples and oranges to me.

 

I don't think Boras is a horrible agent, I think he just misreads the market at times. Overall, I bet his players are very happy at the deals he has got for them.

 

Boras has the track record for getting the big deals, yes. But maybe it's just a case of the rich getting richer.

 

How do we know other agents wouldn't have gotten just as much money?

[mvp 78]

Boras has the track record for getting the big deals, yes. It's a case of the rich getting richer. Baseball players are not noted for their financial acumen.

 

How do we know other agents wouldn't have gotten them just as much money?

 

We don't. I'm not sure that has to do with anything tho?

[moonslav59]

That was when Varitek was offered 10-12 in arbitration and turned it down because he thought he would get a multi year deal? Kind of apples and oranges to me.

 

I don't think Boras is a horrible agent, I think he just misreads the market at times. Overall, I bet his players are very happy at the deals he has got for them.

 

Yes, they are.

 

The VTek case was an exception, but he did get screwed out of a lot of money by taking Boras' advice.

[Bellhorn04]

We don't. I'm not sure that has to do with anything tho?

 

I'm just suggesting the only reason they choose Boras is because he has gotten the biggest money deals in the past. It doesn't necessarily mean he's actually good at what he does.

[mvp 78]

I'm just suggesting the only reason they choose Boras is because he has gotten the biggest money deals in the past. It doesn't necessarily mean he's actually good at what he does.

 

If he wasn't good at what he does, he'd be made to look a fool every offseason. This is just a rare occurrence where his client may not get top dollar.

[Bellhorn04]

If he wasn't good at what he does, he'd be made to look a fool every offseason. This is just a rare occurrence where his client may not get top dollar.

 

Boras is used to feeding frenzy offseasons. This offseason might be the true test of his skills.

[mvp 78]

Boras is used to feeding frenzy offseasons. This offseason might be the true test of his skills.

 

Multiple players will have to get screwed for him to get taken down a peg this offseason. I think this is more of a test for Tony Clark's legitimacy.

[Bellhorn04]

Multiple players will have to get screwed for him to get taken down a peg this offseason. I think this is more of a test for Tony Clark's legitimacy.

 

It's starting to shape up as a test for the whole baseball economic system. I'm starting to get a bad feeling about the 2018 season. The rumblings have begun.

[harmony]

I'm just suggesting the only reason they choose Boras is because he has gotten the biggest money deals in the past. It doesn't necessarily mean he's actually good at what he does.

Using that logic, just because Pedro Martinez posted stellar numbers does not mean he was good at what he did.

[mvp 78]

It's starting to shape up as a test for the whole baseball economic system. I'm starting to get a bad feeling about the 2018 season. The rumblings have begun.

 

They can't strike this year per the contract. I don't think anything can happen until 2020 or 2021.

[oldtimer]

Players return to camp on Feb 12th. Maybe then there will be something to talk about.

[harmony]

It's starting to shape up as a test for the whole baseball economic system. I'm starting to get a bad feeling about the 2018 season. The rumblings have begun.

I'm hoping that come June everyone will have forgotten the excruciating offseason.

 

Perhaps I'm naïve.

[Bellhorn04]

Using that logic, just because Pedro Martinez posted stellar numbers does not mean he was good at what he did.

 

Oh sure, equating a pitcher's numbers to an agent's numbers is perfectly logical.

[harmony]

I'm hoping that come June everyone will have forgotten the excruciating offseason.

 

Perhaps I'm naïve.

An interesting take today from FanGraphs columnist Travis Sawchik:

 

Many fans love to play general manager. There are those among the public, certainly, who believe they could run a team more effectively than certain front offices. That’s always been the case, of course.

 

What’s changed, though, is the information available to those would-be GMs. We’ve reached a point where the collective knowledge of the public — expressed most purely in the form of crowdsourced contract projections — is adequate for placing valuations on players. And it seems that transactions, the movement of pieces around the proverbial chess board, have become more interesting for some than the game itself.

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/another-problem-with-this-quiet-offseason/

[harmony]

Oh sure, equating a pitcher's numbers to an agent's numbers is perfectly logical.

In 2002 Pedro Martinez finished second in the Cy Young voting after posting an ERA of 2.26 in 30 starts, including an Opening Day start in which the Hall of Famer surrendered nine hits and eight runs (seven earned) in only three innings against the Toronto Blue Jays.

 

Was the 2002 season a failure for Pedro Martinez because he experienced one dismal start?

 

Scott Boras and the Boras Corporation have at least 30 clients, the vast majority of whom get satisfactory results.

[Bellhorn04]

In 2002 Pedro Martinez finished second in the Cy Young voting after posting an ERA of 2.26 in 30 starts, including an Opening Day start in which the Hall of Famer surrendered nine hits and eight runs (seven earned) in only three innings against the Toronto Blue Jays.

 

Was the 2002 season a failure for Pedro Martinez because he experienced one dismal start?

 

Scott Boras and the Boras Corporation have at least 30 clients, the vast majority of whom get satisfactory results.

 

Oh I know. You have to forgive me, I'm so bored I'll argue about anything right now.

[moonslav59]

oh i know. You have to forgive me, i'm so bored i'll argue about anything right now.

 

lol

[mvp 78]

An interesting take today from FanGraphs columnist Travis Sawchik:

 

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/another-problem-with-this-quiet-offseason/

 

30 year old Jose Offerman's career high WAR of 4.6 should totally offset the loss of Mo Vaughn!

[harmony]

Oh I know. You have to forgive me, I'm so bored I'll argue about anything right now.

I'm guilty of the same thing for the same reason.

[Natick to NC]

I wouldn't waste my coffee to put a fire out on Scott or Dave at this point .Ive had it .

[notin]

I'm hoping that come June everyone will have forgotten the excruciating offseason.

 

Perhaps I'm naïve.

 

At this pace, will the off-season be over by then?

[Natick to NC]

Is Domingo Santana worth a look or the prospects? What's this guys ceiling ? Would he rake here ? ..should have went hard after Ozuna .

[mvp 78]

Is Domingo Santana worth a look or the prospects? What's this guys ceiling ? Would he rake here ? ..should have went hard after Ozuna .

 

He's still pre-arb and hit 30 hrs. He's perfect for the Brewers due to his low salary. I bet you'd have to overpay in a trade to get him. Terrible fielder that would most likely only be a DH in the AL.

[Natick to NC]

.....so that's a brick wall .Ty for the info .

[Kimmi]

Pedey is still a solid player ...no argument from me .Solid may not cut it .But just in case let's win one more while he wears our hat shall we ?

 

Sounds good to me!

[Kimmi]

I'm hoping it happens.

 

Martinez wants too much money for too many years and sounds like would prefer to get them elsewhere.

 

I'm all for letting him go and upgrading elsewhere...

 

If Martinez prefers to play elsewhere, than let him go. I'd rather have a player who really wants to play for us.

[Kimmi]

I'm not intent on anything.

 

I simply question fans who assume the Red Sox have made the best offer to date. Perhaps the Sox indeed have the best offer but I can't conclude that based on a few random leaks that fail to provide the full picture.

 

As I've written before, absent collusion, the team that signs J.D. Martinez is likely to overpay. The Red Sox may not want to be that team.

 

No one knows for sure who has offered what to JD, but to me, it just doesn't make any sense that JD currently has a better offer. If he did, I think one of two things would have happened:

 

1. Dombrowski would have increased his offer, or

2. Dombrowski would have moved on

 

The fact that we're in this limbo with him indicates to me that the Sox have the top offer out there right now.