Red Sox Trade Deadline 2017 Thread

[d-money]

We should be at least 20 games above .500. But we've basically played like a .500 team, which we soon might be.

 

Too bad Sale is not the leader type (except of himself), maybe he could inspire something.

 

This team used to be a bad August team, but lately has had some very good August years... Maybe. KEEP HOPE ALIVE, as the former (a million years ago it seems) President used to say.

 

Sale has been one of the few guys that has done his job the whole way. The guy should have about 15 wins. This offense has stunk up the joint! He likely will be the only bright spot if the season goes down in flames! They just can't hit consistently.

[notin]

I'm not sure where you are getting this from but Baseball Reference currently has Bogaerts with a 1.2 WAR. If we project that out for the rest of the season, maybe he finishes with a 2.0 WAR?

 

The problem with Bogaerts, and the reason it won't make sense to sign him long term, concerns his defense. This is the second year in a row where he is giving up more runs than saving (defensively). Sure, he may start producing again offensively, but his defense at SS is always going to cut into his overall value as a player. Can you picture what his defense at SS is going to be like at age 30? That is why I wouldn't sign him to a long term extension.

 

Also, does anyone know why Bogaerts WAR is higher at Fangraphs than Baseball Reference? Does Fangraphs calculate defense into WAR?

 

Looking ahead, Bogaerts is the one Killer B I think the Sox shouldn't extend.

[Northern Star]

Sale has been one of the few guys that has done his job the whole way. The guy should have about 15 wins. This offense has stunk up the joint! He likely will be the only bright spot if the season goes down in flames! They just can't hit consistently.

 

nothing more annoying than an ace not getting a full allotment of wins due to run support. not that w/l is the be all and end all for a pitcher, but it's just a waste.

[d-money]

Looking ahead, Bogaerts is the one Killer B I think the Sox shouldn't extend.

 

The guy's 24 years old and had two good years before this season. He's had a very really rough stretch right now. He has to start hitting like he's capable off.

[BstHcpr]

The way I sense things right now, I think perhaps we should make a quick switch to Sellers. Price, Hanley, Holt, Young come to mind.

 

I know one thing: this is not a World Series team--except by pure accident. So why not "wait till next year" and a clean slate.

 

lmao the Red Sox are 0.5 game out and leading the Wild Card. They are not selling, and should not even hypothetically.

[Houston Dirtdogs]

They need power at the plate, and leadership at the helm. They have a bad offense. Their pitching can get it done, but they need some run support. They should have jumped on Delgado before the season started.

[a700hitter]

We have one star hitter -- Betts. Pedroia is very good -- and a spark for the team when he is hot, but not a star. We need more big hitters to produce runs consistently. DD needs to get a big bat for first base/ DH.

[a700hitter]

A.J. Ramos, Hellickson and howie Kendrick all on the move this evening. Does DD have a deal brewing?

[Fan_since_Boggs]

It is hard to understand why Dombrowski didn't acquire Duda. I realize some members of this forum do not like Duda, but Duda has a better OPS+ this year than any of the Red Sox's hitters. Moreover, to make matters worse, the Red Sox starting 1b is in a huge slump with a .396 OPS in the month of July. The Red Sox could have acquired Duda without giving up a top prospect.

 

Like or hate him, Duda would have provided some kind of offensive upgrade for the Red Sox.

[jacksonianmarch]

Duda is an awful 1b. That being said, having him at DH and Hanley at 1b isn't the worst thing in the world. The Rays got him for nothing. Literally. They dealt their #30 prospect for him, a guy they go from Detroit for Mikie Mahtook.

[Bellhorn04]

Duda is an awful 1b. That being said, having him at DH and Hanley at 1b isn't the worst thing in the world. The Rays got him for nothing. Literally. They dealt their #30 prospect for him, a guy they go from Detroit for Mikie Mahtook.

 

Yeah, it's kind of amazing they got a guy with an 879 OPS and 17 dingers for a #30 prospect!

[notin]

The guy's 24 years old and had two good years before this season. He's had a very really rough stretch right now. He has to start hitting like he's capable off.

 

His age and slump are immaterial.

 

I think he's a lower priority than Betts and Bradley because he'll likely outgrow his position while both of them are stellar defensive players. ..

[bowman]

We should have went hard after Mousakas while the Royals were down. Now, no way they will let him go.

[notin]

It is hard to understand why Dombrowski didn't acquire Duda. I realize some members of this forum do not like Duda, but Duda has a better OPS+ this year than any of the Red Sox's hitters. Moreover, to make matters worse, the Red Sox starting 1b is in a huge slump with a .396 OPS in the month of July. The Red Sox could have acquired Duda without giving up a top prospect.

 

Like or hate him, Duda would have provided some kind of offensive upgrade for the Red Sox.

 

There's still time and other options. Duda was hardly the best 1b/DH type available. In fact he might not be the best available one on the Mets...

[Bellhorn04]

And we shouldn't have traded Shaw. Woulda shoulda coulda.

[notin]

We should have went hard after Mousakas while the Royals were down. Now, no way they will let him go.

 

How's hard? Unless you were willing to part with Devers and/or Groome, what were the Sox going to offer KC that would have inspired them to white flag the entire season....

[notin]

And we shouldn't have traded Shaw. Woulda shoulda coulda.

 

Are you saying those 0 IP from Thornburg haven't justified that deal in your eyes?

[Bellhorn04]

Are you saying those 0 IP from Thornburg haven't justified that deal in your eyes?

 

Thornburg hasn't blown any saves - other than that, it hasn't worked out very well so far. Thanks Dave!

[notin]

So the Orioles - who are not even in any sort of post-season hunt - manage to acquire Jeremy Hellickson for a bench bat and farm scrap? Meanwhile Dombrowski places Price on the DL and tells fans to expect more from Doug Fister and Hector Velasquez.

 

Seriously?

[bowman]

I would have included Groome in a heart beat. No way to know what he will turn into, and Mous. is the vet power bat we desperately need right now. Look at the Pom for Espinosa trade, the 18 year old (the next Pedro) will be getting Tommy John surgery which sucks. Point if you think obtaining a vet hitter will help turn the offense around for a playoff push, you have to do it. If not stand pat. I don't for one over valuate minor league players based on potential. When they get closer to the show and have some track record, thats different... And I'm not talking about trading Bagwell for Larry Anderson Either. With the pitching staff we have, it would be a shame to bow out fast this year because of the hitting, but unless we catch fire, its looking like these guys will do just that. I hope not.. The Yanks see a glimmer of hope and are pulling out all the stops to make a run this year. Right now, they just took first from us because we can't hit. Whats your answer.................

[bowman]

Trading Shaw was the dumbest f.... move this team could have ever made. He had a tough second half is the excuse.. ********.. It was to give Panda no pressure. How's that working out. Player evaluation at this stage of the game is everything. They f.... up with Shaw..Badly

[notin]

Trading Shaw was the dumbest f.... move this team could have ever made. He had a tough second half is the excuse.. ********.. It was to give Panda no pressure. How's that working out. Player evaluation at this stage of the game is everything. They f.... up with Shaw..Badly

 

You can swear on this site. Give it a f***ing try...

[Bellhorn04]

The problem with a big trade for a bat is that unless our mainstays start hitting we're screwed anyway. We've got too many guys underperforming.

[bowman]

lol...

[notin]

I would have included Groome in a heart beat. No way to know what he will turn into, and Mous. is the vet power bat we desperately need right now. Look at the Pom for Espinosa trade, the 18 year old (the next Pedro) will be getting Tommy John surgery which sucks. Point if you think obtaining a vet hitter will help turn the offense around for a playoff push, you have to do it. If not stand pat. I don't for one over valuate minor league players based on potential. When they get closer to the show and have some track record, thats different... And I'm not talking about trading Bagwell for Larry Anderson Either. With the pitching staff we have, it would be a shame to bow out fast this year because of the hitting, but unless we catch fire, its looking like these guys will do just that. I hope not.. The Yanks see a glimmer of hope and are pulling out all the stops to make a run this year. Right now, they just took first from us because we can't hit. Whats your answer.................

 

Even if you included Groome, I'm not sure a 19yo lefty with 15 unimpressive IP for his career is enough to make KC give up their last chance. Moustakas and Homer and Cain are all FA, and the Royals won't be able to pay for replacements. This might be their last shot for a while. So I am not so sure it was ever easy to get Moustakas. As much as I am no Dombrowski fan, I'd be surprised if he didn't do his due diligence with the Royals....

[bowman]

I agree with that.. So much talent. If they were just being consistent we wouldn't be in this pinch. It's always something....

[notin]

The problem with a big trade for a bat is that unless our mainstays start hitting we're screwed anyway. We've got too many guys underperforming.

 

They will eventually.

 

The Sox need someone to hit until then.

[bowman]

I just hope we can get someone to step in. Like Bellhorn said, unless the rest of the boys start hitting, probably screwed either way. We just need that spark.

[notin]

I think they do need a starter. Price has had issues with his arm off and on this year. And Dombrowski didn't get any depth pitching in the off-season except Kyle Kendrick. Meanwhile Jeremy Hellickson is getting dealt for table scraps to a team that isn't even buying....

[mvp 78]

If Johnson wasn't injured, he'd get a longer look here. Maybe Beeks?