2017 Rotation Discussion

[Kimmi]

Babip!!!!!!

This will go down as the worst signing in the history of baseball not named Alex Rodriguez.

All you Pricies will no doubtedly tell me how he is ace and will opt out.

Eff price. He has surpassed Lackey hate level to me.....and that is saying something

 

I was no fan of the Price signing, and I gave him my fair share of criticism for his performance last year. However, I don't get the hate for him. By all accounts, he's a good teammate and a good leader to the pitching staff. He's a hard worker and he owns up to his pitching performance.

 

Yes, he's overly sensitive to what he reads and hears from the press and from the fans. He needs to get over that. The team should disallow him to use social media.

[SoxHop]

So that we can pay $30 million + per year for a guy that isn't as good as Price?

 

I'd be happy if he opted out....... mainly because of his age........... I don't think he will be worth it. I'm worried the next 4 will be injury ridden and even more degredation.

 

I'm not on the dislike Price bandwagon. I get that he is a solid number two that isn't flashy like Sale. I think much of the dislike from him is his salary and that he isn't flashy. But I am now thinking he can't go 200 innings anymore...... and it will get worse...

[a700hitter]

I'd be happy if he opted out....... mainly because of his age........... I don't think he will be worth it. I'm worried the next 4 will be injury ridden and even more degredation.

 

I'm not on the dislike Price bandwagon. I get that he is a solid number two that isn't flashy like Sale. I think much of the dislike from him is his salary and that he isn't flashy. But I am now thinking he can't go 200 innings anymore...... and it will get worse...

I don't think it will be much of an issue with the time bomb that he has for an elbow. I would be surprised if any team would top his remaining package with Boston, but then agai, it wouldn't be the first time that an agent misjudged the market.

[SoxHop]

I don't think it will be much of an issue with the time bomb that he has for an elbow. I would be surprised if any team would top his remaining package with Boston, but then agai, it wouldn't be the first time that an agent misjudged the market.

 

He has so much cash...... if he hates it here so much he may jet no matter what it costs him.

 

Doesn't he only have the option to get out after year three? If he decides not to option out after year three he's obligated for four more years correct? It not every year he can decide after year three correct?

[cp176]

I was no fan of the Price signing, and I gave him my fair share of criticism for his performance last year. However, I don't get the hate for him. By all accounts, he's a good teammate and a good leader to the pitching staff. He's a hard worker and he owns up to his pitching performance.

 

Yes, he's overly sensitive to what he reads and hears from the press and from the fans. He needs to get over that. The team should disallow him to use social media.

 

I agree with you again - how about that. I'm not sure they can disallow him from social media but the bigger issue here is that he is unique. Like him or not, he is sensitive which I am ok with. It does sound like he is not just a good teammate but a great one. If he takes that ball and gets the job done on his day, I could really care less what all forms of the media think of him. Media in general although necessary does tend to make a circus out of life in an effort to sell stories. You think maybe people should just leave the guy alone?

[Nick]

He has so much cash...... if he hates it here so much he may jet no matter what it costs him.

 

Doesn't he only have the option to get out after year three? If he decides not to option out after year three he's obligated for four more years correct? It not every year he can decide after year three correct?

 

correct

[Nick]

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"I'll tell you what, being part of this team has one been a humbling experience and just a blessing. These guys here as a team have welcomed me with open arms, and it's something I enjoy coming to the ballpark. We've got a high expectation of winning here. For me, I thoroughly enjoy it. We've got a great club." -- Fister, who has made two solid starts since being claimed off waivers by the Red Sox

 

He goes right at the hitters. I love his pace. I hope he sticks around.

 

OH btw, I don't give a damn about what the media thinks of Price. As long as he's productive and is a good chemistry guy in the dougout, who cares?

Edited July 1, 2017 by Nick

[cp176]

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"I'll tell you what, being part of this team has one been a humbling experience and just a blessing. These guys here as a team have welcomed me with open arms, and it's something I enjoy coming to the ballpark. We've got a high expectation of winning here. For me, I thoroughly enjoy it. We've got a great club." -- Fister, who has made two solid starts since being claimed off waivers by the Red Sox

 

He goes right at the hitters. I love his pace. I hope he sticks around.

 

OH btw, I don't give a damn about what the media thinks of Price. As long as he's productive and is a good chemistry guy in the dougout, who cares?

 

I'm with you

[a700hitter]

I'll take the year that he had last year every year of his contract. It was a strong season. The contract opt out is a lose lose for the Red Sox. If he is pitching like an ace and opts out, it will cost an equal amount or more to replace him. If he is stinking, he won't opt out and we are stuck with a lousy contract. I hadn't heard about the Eck confrontation. Price needs to grow up.

[a700hitter]

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OH btw, I don't give a damn about what the media thinks of Price. As long as he's productive and is a good chemistry guy in the dougout, who cares?

The problem isn't whether we care what the media thinks. The problem is that Price seems to care too much what they think.

[moonslav59]

As long as caring about what the media or fans think doesn't interfere with his pitching, I could care less.

 

Maybe the media poison will cause Price to opt out. There's always hope.

[a700hitter]

As long as caring about what the media or fans think doesn't interfere with his pitching, I could care less.

 

Maybe the media poison will cause Price to opt out. There's always hope.

He will opt out is it means more $. The media will have nothing to do with it. The opt ou is a lose lose situation for us. There is nothing good to wish about it.

[moonslav59]

It would be fantastic for him to opt out as he reaches the end of his prime years.

 

Not only would we not have to witness his post-prime years, we'd have his $30+M to use on re-signing Sale & Betts and getting another top level FA starter.

Edited July 1, 2017 by moonslav59

[a700hitter]

It would be fantastic for him to opt out as he reached the end of his prime years.

 

Not only would we not have to witness his post-prime years, we'd have his $30+M to use on re-signing Sale & Betts and getting another top level FA starter.

Dream on.

[moonslav59]

I'm not saying $31M a year will alone be enough extend Sale, Betts and sign a top level FA starter, but keeping Price and his contract will probably not allow us to keep all our top young players and replace Porcello with a top starter.

 

With the Price and Porcello money freed up, I think we can keep everyone and have enough to find a top starter. We'd be over the luxury limit but probably not by the $20M added penalty level that keeping Price and replacing Porcello would almost certainly entail doing.

[a700hitter]

I'm not saying $31M a year will alone be enough extend Sale, Betts and sign a top level FA starter, but keeping Price and his contract will probably not allow us to keep all our top young players and replace Porcello with a top starter.

 

With the Price and Porcello money freed up, I think we can keep everyone and have enough to find a top starter. We'd be over the luxury limit but probably not by the $20M added penalty level that keeping Price and replacing Porcello would almost certainly entail doing.

Dream on that he will opt out. His elbow is a ticking time bomb.

[moonslav59]

Dream on.

 

Fair enough.

 

He won't opt out unless he thinks he can get close to the same money (highly doubtful), but if he thinks he can (highly doubtful) this whole mess with the media might tip the scales.

[Jack Flap]

He is tired of the media and their negative covfefe.

[Nick]

Fair enough.

 

He won't opt out unless he thinks he can get close to the same money (highly doubtful), but if he thinks he can (highly doubtful) this whole mess with the media might tip the scales.

 

If we win the world series in 2017, 2018 or 2019, I can care less. He can't be any worse than Pablo tenure we've had to endure.

 

$18M for NOTHING. 200+ quality innings for $31M. BTW, we don't win last year without him. I suppose you all want to go back to last place finishes.

Edited July 1, 2017 by Nick

[harmony]

If we win the world in 2017, 2018 or 2019, I can care less. He can't be any worse than Pablo tenure we've had to endure.

I wish I could agree.

 

When David Price signed his seven-year, $217 million contract with the Red Sox the lefthander was two years older than Pablo Sandoval was when the latter signed a five-year, $95 million contract.

 

Now in his third year Sandoval has never come anywhere near Price's solid 4.5 fWAR performance in 2016 but the salary and duration of Price's deal, coupled with lingering injury concerns, may make his contract more detrimental ... or not.

[Nick]

I wish I could agree.

 

When David Price signed his seven-year, $217 million contract with the Red Sox the lefthander was two years older than Pablo Sandoval was when the latter signed a five-year, $95 million contract.

 

Now in his third year Sandoval has never come anywhere near Price's solid 4.5 fWAR performance in 2016 but the salary and duration of Price's deal, coupled with lingering injury concerns, may make his contract more detrimental ... or not.

 

I just don't think we can evaluate his and Kimbrel's signings in a vaccum. New guy in charge with DD. Just coming off back to back last place finishes. The team has spoiled us with 3 World Championships in this century and we think we're entitle to more. We now hate losing and we don't accept it. DD wanted top of the line starting pitcher. Sure it's easy to second guess the amount and the length but we paid what we thought was market value to get Price. And we did get into the playoffs.

 

Let's wait and see how he does. We're only 1 1/2 years into his contract. But this is why you draft a kid like Groome and develop him. I think having to spend $210M on a 30 year old pitcher says more about Sox's inability to develop pitchers than anything else. What was DD suppose to do? He delivered.

[a700hitter]

Entitled is a stupid word in relation to sports fans.

[a700hitter]

He has so much cash...... if he hates it here so much he may jet no matter what it costs him.

 

Doesn't he only have the option to get out after year three? If he decides not to option out after year three he's obligated for four more years correct? It not every year he can decide after year three correct?

If he really a hates playing in Boston,he will make the situation intolerable and possibly we trade him. He isn't going to walk away from the money.

[Nick]

Here's the team record by starting pitchers.

 

Pitcher W-L

 

Sale 13-4

Porcello 7-10

Pomeranz 9-6

E Rod 7-3

Price 4-3

Johnson 4-0

Wright 1-4

Fister 1-1

Vlazques 0-2 (his win came as a reliever, not a starter)

Kendrick 0-2

 

Total 81 46 35

 

Sale accounts for +9 of +11 win margins for the Sox. Despite spring training woes, Pomeranz has been more durable than E Rod and Price. Johnson has negated crappy pitching out of Wright and Kendrick.

 

We are 14-7 in games where the starter is not on the record as a winning/losing pitcher. Perhaps indication of good bullpen?

 

I hope we retain Fister. He competes on the mound. Nice back up as #7 pitcher/long reliever.

 

We are +14 from our BIG 5 starters. They just need to get healthy as a group. It's a quality starting unit.

Edited July 1, 2017 by Nick

[Kimmi]

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"I'll tell you what, being part of this team has one been a humbling experience and just a blessing. These guys here as a team have welcomed me with open arms, and it's something I enjoy coming to the ballpark. We've got a high expectation of winning here. For me, I thoroughly enjoy it. We've got a great club." -- Fister, who has made two solid starts since being claimed off waivers by the Red Sox

 

He goes right at the hitters. I love his pace. I hope he sticks around.

 

OH btw, I don't give a damn about what the media thinks of Price. As long as he's productive and is a good chemistry guy in the dougout, who cares?

 

Fister was a good pick up. Even when ERod comes back, he's good insurance and depth to have around. ERod did not have a good rehab outing. He needs more time, and thankfully, with Fister pitching decently, we do not have to rush ERod back.

[Kimmi]

I agree with you again - how about that. I'm not sure they can disallow him from social media but the bigger issue here is that he is unique. Like him or not, he is sensitive which I am ok with. It does sound like he is not just a good teammate but a great one. If he takes that ball and gets the job done on his day, I could really care less what all forms of the media think of him. Media in general although necessary does tend to make a circus out of life in an effort to sell stories. You think maybe people should just leave the guy alone?

 

The media thrives on this kind of stuff. As long as Price reacts to it, the media is going to make a story out of it. Price has to find a way to just let it roll off of him. Hopefully, he will continue to pitch well. That will go a long way in shutting up his critics.

[moonslav59]

If we win the world series in 2017, 2018 or 2019, I can care less. He can't be any worse than Pablo tenure we've had to endure.

 

$18M for NOTHING. 200+ quality innings for $31M. BTW, we don't win last year without him. I suppose you all want to go back to last place finishes.

 

I said I was fine with the Price signing. I do not want to go back to last place finishes, although we wouldn't have come close to last without Price last year.

 

I was talking about hoping Price opts out after 3 years. That is not the same as saying I wish we never signed him. It's way different.

[Nick]

I said I was fine with the Price signing. I do not want to go back to last place finishes, although we wouldn't have come close to last without Price last year.

 

I was talking about hoping Price opts out after 3 years. That is not the same as saying I wish we never signed him. It's way different.

 

I wasn't talking about you or your recent post.

 

Perfect scenario is for us to win in both 2017 and 2018 with Price having great years, then opting out. We could use that money and use it to keep Xander, JBJ, Betts and Chris Freakin' Sale.

 

I just want the Sox to win. Fans will be there if we're winning. Let's see where Sale is in two years. Who the freak knows, he may be declining by then.

Edited July 2, 2017 by Nick

[Jack Flap]

Say what you will about him, but Price has provided more value in his 7 uneven starts this season (0.3 bWAR) than Sandoval has in three years so far (-2.0).

[Nick]

say what you will about him, but price has provided more value in his 7 uneven starts this season (0.3 bwar) than sandoval has in three years so far (-2.0).

 

this! (basically we should have just written a check for $95M and cut him so his bwar would be 0.0)