Who is our opening day starter?

[mvp 78]

The dumbest part of that whole thing with Sale was he complained that the throwback jerseys were uncomfortable and the White Sox were more concerned with marketing than winning, but he wasn't even pitching that day. So why was that jersey such an issue for him?

 

http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2016/7/24/12263742/chris-sale-actually-knifed-up-white-sox-throwback-jerseys

 

Um, he was scheduled to start?

 

Sale wasn't getting along with ownership long before this incident happened. I can't fault a guy for not wanting to play for that organization.

 

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/03/chicago-white-sox-chris-sale-kenny-williams-adam-laroche-drake-mlb

[Spudboy]

The Red Sox will be having a conference call today with Tick Porcello and season ticket holders. Any suggestions as to what I should ask him?

 

Yeah. Has he looked into getting the mole removed?

[a700hitter]

Yeah. Has he looked into getting the mole removed?

Cancer prevention.

[a700hitter]

http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2016/7/24/12263742/chris-sale-actually-knifed-up-white-sox-throwback-jerseys

 

Um, he was scheduled to start?

 

Sale wasn't getting along with ownership long before this incident happened. I can't fault a guy for not wanting to play for that organization.

 

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/03/chicago-white-sox-chris-sale-kenny-williams-adam-laroche-drake-mlb

It is mind boggling how many Red Sox fans have hated Price from day 1 and now people are hating Sale before he ha even thrown a pitch for us. Wow, it is no wonder why the Red Sox have to pay a premium to sign FA's and why so many players hate playing here. Hating on Sale at this point is beyond ridiculous. These are the same people probably who were cooing Anthony Renaudo and Henry Owens when they were drafted.

[mvp 78]

It is mind boggling how many Red Sox fans have hated Price from day 1 and now people are hating Sale before he ha even thrown a pitch for us. Wow, it is no wonder why the Red Sox have to pay a premium to sign FA's and why so many players hate playing here. Hating on Sale at this point is beyond ridiculous. These are the same people probably who were cooing Anthony Renaudo and Henry Owens when they were drafted.

 

prospects that may never make the bigs > veteran players

 

As long as the Sox are able to identify the prospects they want to keep, I don't mind them dumping other prospects for pitching.

[a700hitter]

I think that it is really about people being butt-hurt that Last Place Benny Boob got canned. For them DD can do nothing right. He has put together the best top three rotation pitchers in a Red Sox uniform in my lifetime -- one who is extremely underpaid -- and somehow the world is coming to an end. They are like those religious fanatics who were convinced that the world would come to an end on a specific date. I just don't get it.

[notin]

It is mind boggling how many Red Sox fans have hated Price from day 1 and now people are hating Sale before he ha even thrown a pitch for us. Wow, it is no wonder why the Red Sox have to pay a premium to sign FA's and why so many players hate playing here. Hating on Sale at this point is beyond ridiculous. These are the same people probably who were cooing Anthony Renaudo and Henry Owens when they were drafted.

 

No one said they hate Sale, but his actual real life that actions are being discussed and, in some cases, joked about. So quit being a judgmental prick and learn to read...

[notin]

http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2016/7/24/12263742/chris-sale-actually-knifed-up-white-sox-throwback-jerseys

 

Um, he was scheduled to start?

 

Sale wasn't getting along with ownership long before this incident happened. I can't fault a guy for not wanting to play for that organization.

 

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/03/chicago-white-sox-chris-sale-kenny-williams-adam-laroche-drake-mlb

 

Ok. My bad.

 

He did have a bad history, starting with trashing Williams and Hahn over the whole Adam LaRoche thing. But then if hr didn't do that stuff, he might not have been available. Its not like thev White Sox had a bad team core to build around...

[Emp9]

I think that it is really about people being butt-hurt that Last Place Benny Boob got canned. For them DD can do nothing right. He has put together the best top three rotation pitchers in a Red Sox uniform in my lifetime -- one who is extremely underpaid -- and somehow the world is coming to an end. They are like those religious fanatics who were convinced that the world would come to an end on a specific date. I just don't get it.

 

I'm an atheist but Jan, 20 2017 IS looking pretty scary. lol

[Slasher9]

I think that it is really about people being butt-hurt that Last Place Benny Boob got canned. For them DD can do nothing right. He has put together the best top three rotation pitchers in a Red Sox uniform in my lifetime -- one who is extremely underpaid -- and somehow the world is coming to an end. They are like those religious fanatics who were convinced that the world would come to an end on a specific date. I just don't get it.

 

wake me up when DD is on a duckboat in October/November.

[a700hitter]

wake me up when DD is on a duckboat in October/November.

http://www.talksox.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=453&stc=1

And wake me when the world comes to an end.

[moonslav59]

It is mind boggling how many Red Sox fans have hated Price from day 1 and now people are hating Sale before he ha even thrown a pitch for us. Wow, it is no wonder why the Red Sox have to pay a premium to sign FA's and why so many players hate playing here. Hating on Sale at this point is beyond ridiculous. These are the same people probably who were cooing Anthony Renaudo and Henry Owens when they were drafted.

 

Name one poster who hates Sale.

 

Even the one guy who has been highly critical of the Sale trade said it wasn't the Sale trade in a vacum, but rather the totality of farm gutting that was wrong.

[Slasher9]

And wake me when the world comes to an end.

 

so you dont think DD can win a world series in the next couple seasons? that would be terrible. He has mortgaged our entire future to win now.

[mvp 78]

I'm an atheist but Jan, 20 2017 IS looking pretty scary. lol

 

It's ok. Maybe Aum Shinrikyo will make another move before then.

[mvp 78]

Ok. My bad.

 

He did have a bad history, starting with trashing Williams and Hahn over the whole Adam LaRoche thing. But then if hr didn't do that stuff, he might not have been available. Its not like thev White Sox had a bad team core to build around...

 

Kenny Williams isn't a professional. A situation like that would not happen here. Chris Sale may be a little tightly wound, but I think this version of the Sox could use a little of that.

[notin]

Kenny Williams isn't a professional. A situation like that would not happen here. Chris Sale may be a little tightly wound, but I think this version of the Sox could use a little of that.

 

I don't think any non-White Sox trashes Kenny Williams as much as me. And while I agree with Sale that Williams was out of line for going back on his word to LaRoche, I wouldn't be surprised if Sale's outbursts expedited his departure from Chicago ...

[mvp 78]

I don't think any non-White Sox trashes Kenny Williams as much as me. And while I agree with Sale that Williams was out of line for going back on his word to LaRoche, I wouldn't be surprised if Sale's outbursts expedited his departure from Chicago ...

 

And I'm pretty sure that's exactly what Sale wanted to get out of it. He's probably psyched to be playing for the better Sox now.

[notin]

And I'm pretty sure that's exactly what Sale wanted to get out of it. He's probably psyched to be playing for the better Sox now.

 

If he is, it certainly helps that he came here after a division title and not the consecutive last place seasons

[notin]

Name one poster who hates Sale.

 

Even the one guy who has been highly critical of the Sale trade said it wasn't the Sale trade in a vacum, but rather the totality of farm gutting that was wrong.

 

A nice summary.

 

I like the deals for Sale, Smith and Thornburg. But I think Dombrowski gave up too much for Kimbrel and Pomeranz. ..

[a700hitter]

No one said they hate Sale, but his actual real life that actions are being discussed and, in some cases, joked about. So quit being a judgmental prick and learn to read...

f*** off miserable *******. What i can read is a bunch of jackasses (and you head the list) wringing their hands over a trade where we got a top of the rotation young star pitcher in his prime at about half the going market rate. Seriously, on balance there has been very little positive posts about him and the trade. Maybe you can't read. Anyway, you miserable jerks will be unable to applaud all of the talent on the field in 2017 because your hands will be too sore after 2 more months of incessant hand wringing about the coming Apocalypse in 2021-2025. Edited December 19, 2016 by a700hitter

[Jack Flap]

Name one poster who hates Sale.

 

Even the one guy who has been highly critical of the Sale trade said it wasn't the Sale trade in a vacum, but rather the totality of farm gutting that was wrong.

 

Precisely.

 

 

If anything, a lot of us who were against the Pomeranz trade (and were subject to a lot of "You just never want to trade any prospects" type straw-manning as a result) seem to be pretty okay with the Sale deal. I'll leave it to the 700 Club to figure out why that is.

 

I've seen a range of nuanced opinions on the trade, but very little outright opposition (I feel like Kimmi has been one of the most vocal against, though I wouldn't want to speak for her), and certainly nothing approaching "hate" for Sale himself. Whatever one thinks of Dombrowski, his strategy, or the long-term impact on the system, there's no denying that we should be a much better team for the next 3 years with Sale in a Red Sox uniform.

[moonslav59]

A nice summary.

 

I like the deals for Sale, Smith and Thornburg. But I think Dombrowski gave up too much for Kimbrel and Pomeranz. ..

 

My sentiments exactly. I've softened a little on Kimbrel, but not on Espi.

 

I loved the Sale, Thornburg and Ziegler trades. The Smith trade was good. I disliked the Hill trade. I hated the Kimbrell and Espi trades.

 

Overall, I'm fine with what DD did. I'm also fine with what Ben and Theo did.

 

I love the team we have right now, I just wish we hadn't done the two deals I hated.

[moonslav59]

f*** off miserable *******. What i can read is a bunch of jackasses (and you head the list) wringing their hands over a trade where we got a top of the rotation young star pitcher in his prime at about half the going market rate. Seriously, on balance there has been very little positive posts about him and the trade. Maybe you can't read. Anyway, you miserable jerks will be unable to applaud all of the talent on the field in 2017 because your hands will be too sore after 2 more months of incessant hand wringing about the coming Apocalypse in 2021-2025.

 

You keep pretending all these people hate the Sale trade.

 

Stop beating the straw man to death.

[a700hitter]

You keep pretending all these people hate the Sale trade.

 

Stop beating the straw man to death.

Oh, they don't hate it in a vacuum, but nothing happens in a vacuum...right?

[Slasher9]

My sentiments exactly. I've softened a little on Kimbrel, but not on Espi.

 

I loved the Sale, Thornburg and Ziegler trades. The Smith trade was good. I disliked the Hill trade. I hated the Kimbrell and Espi trades.

 

Overall, I'm fine with what DD did. I'm also fine with what Ben and Theo did.

 

I love the team we have right now, I just wish we hadn't done the two deals I hated.

I thought Kimbrel was a huge overpay. And lord knows I hated the Pom trade. At least with sale we got something of perceived value for the further gutting of the farm.

[Spudboy]

f*** off miserable *******. What i can read is a bunch of jackasses (and you head the list) wringing their hands over a trade where we got a top of the rotation young star pitcher in his prime at about half the going market rate. Seriously, on balance there has been very little positive posts about him and the trade. Maybe you can't read. Anyway, you miserable jerks will be unable to applaud all of the talent on the field in 2017 because your hands will be too sore after 2 more months of incessant hand wringing about the coming Apocalypse in 2021-2025.

 

POTY nominee for sure.

[Spudboy]

You keep pretending all these people hate the Sale trade.

 

Stop beating the straw man to death.

 

wut

 

What strawman do you speak of exactly?

 

There are several posters who keep lamenting the catastrophic damage done by DD and these people have beaten that tired topic to death.

 

Very few posters have countered this misery fest because they simply think that it is foolish.

 

Lighten up Brah.

[Kimmi]

http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2016/7/24/12263742/chris-sale-actually-knifed-up-white-sox-throwback-jerseys

 

Um, he was scheduled to start?

 

Sale wasn't getting along with ownership long before this incident happened. I can't fault a guy for not wanting to play for that organization.

 

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/03/chicago-white-sox-chris-sale-kenny-williams-adam-laroche-drake-mlb

 

I don't fault Sale for not wanting to play for the White Sox either, but you don't go and cut up all the jerseys.

[a700hitter]

wut

 

What strawman do you speak of exactly?

 

There are several posters who keep lamenting the catastrophic damage done by DD and these people have beaten that tired topic to death.

 

Very few posters have countered this misery fest because they simply think that it is foolish.

 

Lighten up Brah.

I just can't take the constant negative clutter being posted here non-stop. We have a great looking team that should be a lot of fun to watch for the next several seasons and people are fixated on predicting Armageddon in the coming 5 to 10 years. It is bad enough that we are subjected to reams of useless and pointless stats about everything except jock sizes, but the whole tenor is negative. Pete, I agree with what you have said in the past about some very unhappy uptight posters. Some of these people really need to get laid. Maybe that would bring a smile to their faces. LOL!! If a rotation with 2 Cy Young winners plus Chris Sale and 2 other 2016 All Star starters can't bring a smile to their faces, I don't know what will. They will say that they are very happy about 2017 and then follow that up with 20 negative posts about the future. Jeesh people. And we are all going to die too, but why dwell on that while you are alive and having fun. They need to get some perspective.

[Kimmi]

It is mind boggling how many Red Sox fans have hated Price from day 1 and now people are hating Sale before he ha even thrown a pitch for us. Wow, it is no wonder why the Red Sox have to pay a premium to sign FA's and why so many players hate playing here. Hating on Sale at this point is beyond ridiculous. These are the same people probably who were cooing Anthony Renaudo and Henry Owens when they were drafted.

 

I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't hate either Price or Sale. I am thrilled to have both on my team.