Yankees Off Season Thread

[Station 13]

That's pinhead for you!

 

Is CC really still under contract? He had a rebound season but you never know!

[moonslav59]

That's pinhead for you!

 

Is CC really still under contract? He had a rebound season but you never know!

 

CC makes $25M this year and then becomes a FA.

 

Holliday ($13M), Pineda ($7.4M) and Clippard ($6.2M) will also hit free agency next winter.

 

Headley ($13M) will be a FA after 2018.

[jacksonianmarch]

And Arod's money comes off the books too after 2017. You figure we spent $18 mil on Chapman, $13 mil on Holliday and $3.5 mil on Carter. We dumped $13 mil per year of McCann and dropped Teixeira's $22 mil and Miller's $9 per year. Chapman was making $10 mil before we dealt him, so that's really an $8 mil raise. With arb raises, 2017 is likely to be a bit cheaper ($15 mil or so). But after 2017, ARod, Holliday, and CC fall off. After 2018, McCann's other $5 mil plus Gardner and Healdey come off. We have a lot of expiring contracts with not a lot of expenses. We can return to spending next offseason and still stay under. By 2019, we will be able to spend like drunken sailors again

[jacksonianmarch]

If Tanaka doesn't opt out, our starting salary after the WS 2017 will be $115 mil which includes McCann's dead money. Factoring in arb raises, we're probably looking close to $122 mil. That leaves $75 million in lux tax room.

[moonslav59]

And Arod's money comes off the books too after 2017. You figure we spent $18 mil on Chapman, $13 mil on Holliday and $3.5 mil on Carter. We dumped $13 mil per year of McCann and dropped Teixeira's $22 mil and Miller's $9 per year. Chapman was making $10 mil before we dealt him, so that's really an $8 mil raise. With arb raises, 2017 is likely to be a bit cheaper ($15 mil or so). But after 2017, ARod, Holliday, and CC fall off. After 2018, McCann's other $5 mil plus Gardner and Healdey come off. We have a lot of expiring contracts with not a lot of expenses. We can return to spending next offseason and still stay under. By 2019, we will be able to spend like drunken sailors again

 

Finally, a light at the end of the financial tunnel of despair.

 

You've actually shed enough to be getting a lot of indirect light from that tunnel's end.

[moonslav59]

If Tanaka doesn't opt out, our starting salary after the WS 2017 will be $115 mil which includes McCann's dead money. Factoring in arb raises, we're probably looking close to $122 mil. That leaves $75 million in lux tax room.

 

God, I remember some on the old board wanted us to sign McAnn.

 

Hijole!

[Station 13]

If Tanaka doesn't opt out, our starting salary after the WS 2017 will be $115 mil which includes McCann's dead money. Factoring in arb raises, we're probably looking close to $122 mil. That leaves $75 million in lux tax room.

 

Doesn't opt out? That only happens if he get hurt.

[moonslav59]

Doesn't opt out? That only happens if he gets hurt.

 

True.

 

$67M/3 is pretty easy to beat in today's market for high-end starting pitchers.

 

Even, if he gets hurt, he'd probably still get more than that, unless his arm falls off.

[Fisk]

And Arod's money comes off the books too after 2017. You figure we spent $18 mil on Chapman, $13 mil on Holliday and $3.5 mil on Carter. We dumped $13 mil per year of McCann and dropped Teixeira's $22 mil and Miller's $9 per year. Chapman was making $10 mil before we dealt him, so that's really an $8 mil raise. With arb raises, 2017 is likely to be a bit cheaper ($15 mil or so). But after 2017, ARod, Holliday, and CC fall off. After 2018, McCann's other $5 mil plus Gardner and Healdey come off. We have a lot of expiring contracts with not a lot of expenses. We can return to spending next offseason and still stay under. By 2019, we will be able to spend like drunken sailors again

 

Spending like drunken fools has not worked for the Yankees, not sure they are going down that road again. Might sign a couple free agents in next couple years to go with there young core, but do not see them going overboard.

[jacksonianmarch]

Fisk, spending kept us in the playoff hunt after our original team got old and gray. Thing is, spending was needed to surround our core. This current group is developing some talent. My hope is a new core can come of Torres, Sanchez, Bird, Frazier, Judge etc

[Kimmi]

Fisk, spending kept us in the playoff hunt after our original team got old and gray. Thing is, spending was needed to surround our core. This current group is developing some talent. My hope is a new core can come of Torres, Sanchez, Bird, Frazier, Judge etc

 

It will be interesting to see how much the Yankees spend in the next 2-3 years. You will always need to sign some free agents to fill in the holes, but no team should ever have to have as many high priced free agents on it as the Yankees have had recently.

 

I think it depends on how successful they are. If the Yankees do not get to the World Series soon, I think they will revert to their old spending ways.

[Kimmi]

Goose Gossage should learn to keep his opinions to himself.

[Station 13]

It will be interesting to see how much the Yankees spend in the next 2-3 years. You will always need to sign some free agents to fill in the holes, but no team should ever have to have as many high priced free agents on it as the Yankees have had recently.

 

I think it depends on how successful they are. If the Yankees do not get to the World Series soon, I think they will revert to their old spending ways.

 

didn't they spent the most this offseason of any team?

[Kimmi]

didn't they spent the most this offseason of any team?

 

The Yankees? Unless I missed something, I don't think so.

[Station 13]

The Yankees? Unless I missed something, I don't think so.

 

They gave Chapman $86M, Holliday $13M, and Carter $3M. That's spending. Whether it is the most or not is not important, the back to spending ways as you allude to is already happening.

[Kimmi]

They gave Chapman $86M, Holliday $13M, and Carter $3M. That's spending. Whether it is the most or not is not important, the back to spending ways as you allude to is already happening.

 

I don't consider Holliday's or Carter's contracts as being huge because they are short term.

 

Fair enough on Chapman. That's a ridiculous contract.

 

Honestly, I hope the Yankees reset their luxury tax and then go drunken crazy signing expensive free agents.

[Station 13]

I don't consider Holliday's or Carter's contracts as being huge because they are short term.

 

Fair enough on Chapman. That's a ridiculous contract.

 

Honestly, I hope the Yankees reset their luxury tax and then go drunken crazy signing expensive free agents.

 

Yeah if they have to dip heavily into the market it means something gone terribly wrong with their farm.

[moonslav59]

The Dodgers spent more by far, but many were their own players, so maybe some don't count them.

[jacksonianmarch]

Even though we technically spent more in dollars in 2017, we offset that by losing significant dollars from guaranteed contracts and have a ton more coming off over the next 12-24 months. Plus, of all the spending, the only spending that crosses 2017 is Chapman's. Add in that Chapman got an $8 mil raise over what he was paid last yr and it really doesn't seem like much.

 

I agree that I think Tanaka will opt out, but I also would be interested to see how his market is affected by his lack of a 200IP season and the recovery of his elbow. While he will have suitors, I doubt he has suitors to the degree that Darvish will. He has proven he can pitch in NY and I anticipate NY will do what it can to re-sign him.

 

The dodgers are in a different world right now. NY seems to understand they are in a bridge year yet have the talent to be really good if everyone hits their potential. After 2017, we see a nice FA market. After 2018, we see an insane market. By 2019, the cap surpasses $200 million and by next year, we should be under it. Re-setting the cap will allow us to spend into absurdity as right now, we would be eligible for a 50-90% tax on overages as repeat offenders.

[Station 13]

Batences loses arbitration, makes $3M. He asked for $5M originally.

[Bellhorn04]

Batences loses arbitration, makes $3M. He asked for $5M originally.

 

And according to Sherman of the NY Post, Betances is unhappy with how the Yankees have dealt with him the last 2 years. FWIW

[jacksonianmarch]

While the class of FA's post 2018 is legendary, the class post 2017 is no slouch. Notable names are..

 

Eric Hosmer 1B

Mike Moustakas 3B

Yadier Molina C

Carlos Santana 1B

JD Martinez OF

Lorenzo Cain CF

Carlos Gonzalez RF

Andre Ethier RF

Jay Bruce RF

Jake Arrieta SP

Johnny Cueto SP (he can opt out)

Yu Darvish SP

Masahiro Tanaka SP

Wade Davis CL

 

There are plenty more lower tier pitchers, but Arrieta, Darvish, Cueto and Tanaka make for an intriguing top of the rotation conversation for sure. With a cap of $197 mil for 2017, it is hard to believe they'd stay under, especially since they are already at $194,669,999. I expect more players to trigger clauses or make the team who bring that up nominally and probably slightly exceed.

 

Let's assume we extend Tanaka at his current rate. This leaves us with $120 mil committed with a cap of $197. We'd have to replace the production of CC, Clippard and Pineda on the pitching side. On the offensive side, Carter and Holliday will be the only ones who's contracts expire. Best case scenario is that some of our pitchers step up and we would need to sign only two starters and no relievers. I honestly think we wouldn't need Clippard come 2018. Even if we nab Darvish and Arrieta, we'd still have another $20 is million before we hit the cap. The likelihood that we'd land both is low, but the possibility of having Tanaka and Darvish atop our rotation I think is pretty good.

[jacksonianmarch]

And according to Sherman of the NY Post, Betances is unhappy with how the Yankees have dealt with him the last 2 years. FWIW

 

He is just hurt that he lost his arb case. He is under control through 2019

[Station 13]

What is the situation with Otani? The new rules says something about not offering a contract over $3M???

[Station 13]

He is just hurt that he lost his arb case. He is under control through 2019

 

Nobody is happy in arbitration.

[Fisk]

I don't consider Holliday's or Carter's contracts as being huge because they are short term.

 

Fair enough on Chapman. That's a ridiculous contract.

 

Honestly, I hope the Yankees reset their luxury tax and then go drunken crazy signing expensive free agents.

 

I am with you on this, but afraid they may have learned there lesson.

[Fisk]

What is the situation with Otani? The new rules says something about not offering a contract over $3M???

 

Yes that's part of the new collective bargaining agreement, but writers are saying MLB could make an exception.

[Kimmi]

And according to Sherman of the NY Post, Betances is unhappy with how the Yankees have dealt with him the last 2 years. FWIW

 

Things have gotten ugly between Betances and Levine. Having to listen to your team in arb tell you why you're not worth the extra money is bad enough. Levine added insult to injury with his ensuing comments.

[Jack Flap]

Levine is a moron. You think he asked for too much, fine...but what good can come of ripping one of your players publicly like that AFTER the arbitrator ruled in your favor?

[Northern Star]

Levine is a moron. You think he asked for too much, fine...but what good can come of ripping one of your players publicly like that AFTER the arbitrator ruled in your favor?

 

Yep, idiocy.