8/12 vs the Dbags

[Spudboy]

Farrell just can't win. No matter what he decides, his move is going to be questioned, even when the move worked out, which means it must have been the right move.

 

I'm guessing Price told Farrell that he was good to go another inning. He has always been a horse as far as pitch count goes. I'm also guessing that Farrell was giving Price his vote of confidence by leaving him in and letting him finish the inning. The human element thing. The lead was big enough to do so.

 

We'll never know for sure, but maybe Farrell's vote of confidence helps Price turn the corner.

 

On the other hand it would have been nice to pull Price after 7 so he can save some bullets for late in the season and possibly the playoffs.

 

Every pitch ads up.

[Kimmi]

On the other hand it would have been nice to pull Price after 7 so he can save some bullets for late in the season and possibly the playoffs.

 

Every pitch ads up.

 

But in allowing Price to pitch, that was bullets saved on one of the pen arms.

 

I'm not saying that I necessarily agree or disagree with the decision to leave Price in. I just think that some people have made up their minds that Farrell is an idiot, and that no matter what decision he makes, he's going to be criticized about it.

 

IMO, most of the criticism is unwarranted.

[User Name]

The way the BP's been worked lately, it was the right move.

[Spudboy]

The way the BP's been worked lately, it was the right move.

 

Okay then.

 

But why live in fear that the bullpen will fail at any opportunity? At some point the team has to have confidence that those guys will get it done.

[User Name]

What I mean is that the bullets we really need to save are the BP's. It's very rare when this team has the chance to finish a game using one or no relievers. Carpe Diem.

[a700hitter]

Farrell just can't win. No matter what he decides, his move is going to be questioned, even when the move worked out, which means it must have been the right move.

 

I'm guessing Price told Farrell that he was good to go another inning. He has always been a horse as far as pitch count goes. I'm also guessing that Farrell was giving Price his vote of confidence by leaving him in and letting him finish the inning. The human element thing. The lead was big enough to do so.

 

We'll never know for sure, but maybe Farrell's vote of confidence helps Price turn the corner.

The move didn't cost us the game, and I was not worried that leaving him in would cost us the game. The big lead was probably bullpen proof, and I would be concerned how much a game like last night in that oppressive weather would take out of him in his next start.

[a700hitter]

But in allowing Price to pitch, that was bullets saved on one of the pen arms.

 

I'm not saying that I necessarily agree or disagree with the decision to leave Price in. I just think that some people have made up their minds that Farrell is an idiot, and that no matter what decision he makes, he's going to be criticized about it.

 

IMO, most of the criticism is unwarranted.

Our pen doesn't have bullets, just rubber bands. Price's bullets are far more important.

 

And JF is an idiot, even for a manager.

[a700hitter]

Okay then.

 

But why live in fear that the bullpen will fail at any opportunity? At some point the team has to have confidence that those guys will get it done.

The lead was big enough after 7 innings that William Shatner could have pitched an inning and we still would have won.

[Spudboy]

lol

[Kimmi]

The move didn't cost us the game, and I was not worried that leaving him in would cost us the game. The big lead was probably bullpen proof, and I would be concerned how much a game like last night in that oppressive weather would take out of him in his next start.

 

Didn't you just recently post that you worry about tomorrow's game tomorrow, and win tonight's game tonight? Why don't we worry about Price's start during his next start?

 

FTR, I do not agree with that philosophy at all, not during the marathon of a season. That said, it is getting late, and the later it gets, the more Farrell needs to manage like we're in a sprint. We're not quite at that point yet.

[a700hitter]

Didn't you just recently post that you worry about tomorrow's game tomorrow, and win tonight's game tonight? Why don't we worry about Price's start during his next start?

 

FTR, I do not agree with that philosophy at all, not during the marathon of a season. That said, it is getting late, and the later it gets, the more Farrell needs to manage like we're in a sprint. We're not quite at that point yet.

I don't think that I posted that sentiment in this context. This game was a blowout. The weather was oppressive and the starter was already over 100 pitches.

[Kimmi]

I don't think that I posted that sentiment in this context. This game was a blowout. The weather was oppressive and the starter was already over 100 pitches.

 

Like I said, Price is a horse. Unless he gets knocked out early, he typically goes over 100 pitches. The pitch count was not an issue, IMO. Either way, I would guess that Farrell had conversations with Price about how he was feeling and about whether the heat was affecting him. Price apparently felt good to go.

 

The BP had been in disarray the last few games. They needed a break.

[a700hitter]

Like I said, Price is a horse. Unless he gets knocked out early, he typically goes over 100 pitches. The pitch count was not an issue, IMO. Either way, I would guess that Farrell had conversations with Price about how he was feeling and about whether the heat was affecting him. Price apparently felt good to go.

 

The BP had been in disarray the last few games. They needed a break.

I would be surprised if any number 1 starter wouldn't tell his manager that he was fine, and I am sure that he was fine. But the game was a blowout, and I would rather protect Price's health than the health of any of the pigs in our bullpen .

[Maxbialystock]

Kimmi, kimmi, kimmi. The key to a700hitter is that he is quite simply a contrarian when it comes to managers, especially Red Sox managers. His starting point is that they can do nothing right.

 

I used to say that some Sox fans--bloggers--believe that good managers simply don't lose games. If a game is lost, it must be, it can only be because the manager failed to do something or did something he should not have.

 

But a700hitter goes beyond that with Farrell, who he believes--or says he believes--Farrell is wrong even when the Sox win. And he is wrong, a700hitter's words, because he is an idiot and incapable of doing anything right--with the occasional exception of when he accidentally and unintentionally does something right. The blind squirrel phenomenon.

 

I can appreciate a700hitter's perspective because mine is identical from the opposite side. I think managers, not just Farrell, are almost always right or at least have a rational basis for whatever decision they make. I believe, almost fervently, that players determine the outcome of games, which is what makes baseball such a great game. I think managers, coaches, and umpires are all necessary and even that some are better than others, but do not think they prevent the better team from winning.

 

I honestly feel sorry for anyone who thinks that managers and umpires are the real keys to game outcomes or, more importantly, that their actions and decisions are more worthy of discussion than those of the players. To me that's like looking at a great painting and discussing the frame.

[a700hitter]

Kimmi, kimmi, kimmi. The key to a700hitter is that he is quite simply a contrarian when it comes to managers, especially Red Sox managers. His starting point is that they can do nothing right.

 

I used to say that some Sox fans--bloggers--believe that good managers simply don't lose games. If a game is lost, it must be, it can only be because the manager failed to do something or did something he should not have.

 

But a700hitter goes beyond that with Farrell, who he believes--or says he believes--Farrell is wrong even when the Sox win. And he is wrong, a700hitter's words, because he is an idiot and incapable of doing anything right--with the occasional exception of when he accidentally and unintentionally does something right. The blind squirrel phenomenon.

 

I can appreciate a700hitter's perspective because mine is identical from the opposite side. I think managers, not just Farrell, are almost always right or at least have a rational basis for whatever decision they make. I believe, almost fervently, that players determine the outcome of games, which is what makes baseball such a great game. I think managers, coaches, and umpires are all necessary and even that some are better than others, but do not think they prevent the better team from winning.

 

I honestly feel sorry for anyone who thinks that managers and umpires are the real keys to game outcomes or, more importantly, that their actions and decisions are more worthy of discussion than those of the players. To me that's like looking at a great painting and discussing the frame.

Max, keep the discussion about baseball. Knock it off with this s***.

[Kimmi]

I would be surprised if any number 1 starter wouldn't tell his manager that he was fine, and I am sure that he was fine. But the game was a blowout, and I would rather protect Price's health than the health of any of the pigs in our bullpen .

 

Another reason for letting Price pitch the 8th and saving the pen arms - Buchholz was pitching the following day. He was limited to about 65 pitches, at best, and there was a very real possibility that he would have to be pulled before then. Yesterday's game looked to be a bullpen game. We needed as many arms available as possible.

[a700hitter]

Another reason for letting Price pitch the 8th and saving the pen arms - Buchholz was pitching the following day. He was limited to about 65 pitches, at best, and there was a very real possibility that he would have to be pulled before then. Yesterday's game looked to be a bullpen game. We needed as many arms available as possible.

That is a good point. Theyhad a very low pitch count for Buch.

[Kimmi]

Kimmi, kimmi, kimmi. The key to a700hitter is that he is quite simply a contrarian when it comes to managers, especially Red Sox managers. His starting point is that they can do nothing right.

 

I used to say that some Sox fans--bloggers--believe that good managers simply don't lose games. If a game is lost, it must be, it can only be because the manager failed to do something or did something he should not have.

 

But a700hitter goes beyond that with Farrell, who he believes--or says he believes--Farrell is wrong even when the Sox win. And he is wrong, a700hitter's words, because he is an idiot and incapable of doing anything right--with the occasional exception of when he accidentally and unintentionally does something right. The blind squirrel phenomenon.

 

I can appreciate a700hitter's perspective because mine is identical from the opposite side. I think managers, not just Farrell, are almost always right or at least have a rational basis for whatever decision they make. I believe, almost fervently, that players determine the outcome of games, which is what makes baseball such a great game. I think managers, coaches, and umpires are all necessary and even that some are better than others, but do not think they prevent the better team from winning.

 

I honestly feel sorry for anyone who thinks that managers and umpires are the real keys to game outcomes or, more importantly, that their actions and decisions are more worthy of discussion than those of the players. To me that's like looking at a great painting and discussing the frame.

 

I will question a manager's decision, but I agree, there is usually a pretty good rationale behind their decisions. They also have information in making their decisions that we are not privy to. I try to give the manager the benefit of the doubt. The bottom line is that the decision a manager makes matters little in most cases. It comes down to the players being able to execute.

[Spudboy]

Max, keep the discussion about baseball. Knock it off with this s***.

 

a700, a700, a700, the key to Max is he hasn't been laid in so long he has built up anger and lashes out without warning because he, like several of his BDC brethren, are suffering from penis envy and try to compensate by constantly attempting to prove themselves superior to us lowly Talksox veteran pukes.

 

Not to worry. You remain the King.

[User Name]

Them's fightin' words.

[Spudboy]

Them's fightin' words.

 

Meh.

[a700hitter]

I shall stand on a hill and survey my domain. LOL!!