Yordano Ventura?

[GomesBeard]

Are we interested?

 

http://www.si.com/mlb/2016/06/08/kansas-city-royals-considering-trading-yordano-ventura

[S5Dewey]

Nope. Not interested. We're not that desperate....yet.

 

That was an interesting confrontation though. Two players with a reputation for being hot-heads going at it.

[bowman]

If he can be had cheap, bring him in. Have Papi take him under his wing, who knows. If he doesn't pan out, so be it. He may come in with a chip on his shoulder with something to prove.

[SoxnCycles]

I don't think he's good enough to put up with all the baggage.

 

Watching him pitch against the O's again would be fun though!

[User Name]

He can pitch against the O's with another team.

[Emp9]

I could be alone on this, but if the Royals were desperate to make a deal, i wouldn't hang up the phone right away. He's 25 years old, great stuff, although his stats don't show it. Could he grow out of his immaturity and poor attitude? Maybe? He may grow tired of batters charging the mound. I get why one would want to stay clear and let some other team trade for him, but I'd be interested to hear what KC would want for him in a trade, even just as a reference.

[SoxnCycles]

I could be alone on this, but if the Royals were desperate to make a deal, i wouldn't hang up the phone right away. He's 25 years old, great stuff, although his stats don't show it. Could he grow out of his immaturity and poor attitude? Maybe? He may grow tired of batters charging the mound. I get why one would want to stay clear and let some other team trade for him, but I'd be interested to hear what KC would want for him in a trade, even just as a reference.

 

Wouldn't hurt to ask, but I certainly don't want the Sox doing KC a favor by giving up very much for him.

[jacksonianmarch]

Ventura needs to understand how spoiled he has been. He came up with KC, which for the last 30 yrs basically meant you'd be groomed to be traded when your value gets high. Instead of being the big leagues' AAA squad, he came up when they were going to multiple playoff runs. Instead of sitting back and learning from the likes of Shields, Cueto, Volquez, etc, he has decided to be a hot head kid who appears uncoachable. He's going to find himself in Minnesota if he isn't careful

[Dojji]

Absolutely I want him. No question at all. We're talking about a playoff proven power lefty who's having a bad year but has been a factor in the Royals making it to the world series both of the last 2 seasons. That level of playoff experience combined with talent doesn't walk through the door very often, even if it attached to a hot head and a bad year.

 

Unless there's some suggestion that he can't get his form back, and at 25YO I don't see how there could be, or KC's price is flat out insane, which it might or might not be, I definitely want him. He at least looks like an upgrade to the 5th spot in our rotation, and the upside is both higher than Kelly's and closer to actualization than Kelly ever was.

 

The floor of this trade is a boon to our depth and the ceiling is out of this world. DD should be on the phone to KC right now finding out how much truth there is to this rumor.

Edited June 9, 2016 by Dojji

[Spudboy]

The Sox need pitching but not at the sake of trading assets for someone else's problems.

 

This is not Cory Dillon. This kid has problems that a Boston team does not need ( especially after Aaron Hernandez ).

 

Pass.

[User Name]

Absolutely I want him. No question at all. We're talking about a playoff proven power lefty who's having a bad year but has been a factor in the Royals making it to the world series both of the last 2 seasons. That level of playoff experience combined with talent doesn't walk through the door very often, even if it attached to a hot head and a bad year.

 

Unless there's some suggestion that he can't get his form back, and at 25YO I don't see how there could be, or KC's price is flat out insane, which it might or might not be, I definitely want him. He at least looks like an upgrade to the 5th spot in our rotation, and the upside is both higher than Kelly's and closer to actualization than Kelly ever was.

 

The floor of this trade is a boon to our depth and the ceiling is out of this world. DD should be on the phone to KC right now finding out how much truth there is to this rumor.

 

When did Ventura start throwing leftty? Also, what is it with yout and Royals players?

[iortiz]

Yordano Ventura's career run prevention #s concur at 4. (SIERA, xFIP, FIP). His SO #s are great but he walks a lot of people. This year he has been awful in almost every metric, but before 2016, he had solid No. 3 numbers.

 

He is young and his ceiling could be interesting in his prime, but seems like his head is somewhere else. If he is coached well (mentally and physically) he could end up posting what his career ERA says or maybe better moving forward. --3.8.

 

Am I interested?

 

Well, If he is supposed to be a depth arm --plus his upside and youth-- , I'll take him anyday of the week at a reasonable price, but if he is supposed to be the answer to our pitching problems, I pass.

Edited June 9, 2016 by iortiz

[Dojji]

Bah freaking cold meds. hayfever season is the time of year for amazingly retarded posts. Of course Ventura is RHP, I had him mixed up with some of the Royals' LHSP prospects from a couple years ago. Regardless, kid is very talented, if there's any question of getting his head out of his backside and into the game again, there's no doubt at all that that DD should be kicking the tires here.

 

Gotta love the people screaming for starting pitching trades in the middle of the season and turning their nose up immediately at exactly the kind of guy you get in a midseason SP trade -- a guy with some flaw another team can't live with. In order for a team to be willing to part with a decent pitcher there has to be a reason they can't keep him, and these days money isn't it, so there's going to be some problem with either the off field behavior, the on field attitude or the statistics. No guy we're going to be able to trade for is going to be very much better than Ventura, as there's so much money in the leauge just now that anyone worth keeping is kept. And the extenuating circumstances that make you guys cool on the acquisition are the only reasons he's acquirable at all.

 

With the full knowledge that all we really need out of Yordano Ventura is a decent #5 starter, I'm still good for acquiring Ventura -- knowing as I say so that there is a potential for disappointment here, as there will be with anyone we might target to upgrade the 5 spot in the rotation. And also knowing full well that the upside could easily be worth that risk.

Edited June 9, 2016 by Dojji

[Dojji]

Yordano Ventura's career run prevention #s concur at 4. (SIERA, xFIP, FIP). His SO #s are great but he walks a lot of people. This year he has been awful in almost every metric, but before 2016, he had solid No. 3 numbers.

 

He is young and his ceiling could be interesting in his prime, but seems like his head is somewhere else. If he is coached well (mentally and physically) he could end up posting what his career ERA says or maybe better moving forward. --3.8.

 

Am I interested?

 

Well, If he is supposed to be a depth arm --plus his upside and youth-- , I'll take him anyday of the week at a reasonable price, but if he is supposed to be the answer to our pitching problems, I pass.

 

And I think you're contradicting yourself here. In my mind, a depth arm to fill out the bottom of the rotation is the extent of our "pitching problems" at the moment -- at least until someone else gets hurt.

 

We don't have a great rotation (and even if we did, they wouldn't meet the laughably stratospheric expectations some of you have for what "great rotation" seems to mean to you), but we have a rotation that's good enough to allow us to compete on the virtue of the other things we do well -- IF we can plug that 5th spot in the rotation. All we really need to do that is a guy who can take the ball every 5th day without guaranteeing a loss. Ventura's a better gamble to accomplish that than anyone we have right now.

 

That's why I'd be all for Ventura. He's as good a gamble as any that are currently available, to full that 5th spot. And he has the upside to give us more if we can get him moving in the right direction.

Edited June 9, 2016 by Dojji

[iortiz]

And I think you're contradicting yourself here. In my mind, a depth arm to fill out the bottom of the rotation is the extent of our "pitching problems" at the moment -- at least until someone else gets hurt.

 

We don't have a great rotation (and even if we did, they wouldn't meet the laughably stratospheric expectations some of you have for what "great rotation" seems to mean to you), but we have a rotation that's good enough to allow us to compete on the virtue of the other things we do well -- IF we can plug that 5th spot in the rotation. All we really need to do that is a guy who can take the ball every 5th day without guaranteeing a loss. Ventura's a better gamble to accomplish that than anyone we have right now.

 

That's why I'd be all for Ventura. He's as good a gamble as any that are currently available, to full that 5th spot. And he has the upside to give us more if we can get him moving in the right direction.

Probably it is about semantics. Yeah, Ventura at the No. 5 spot is not a bad idea. On the other hand, IMO we have to grab first a solid No.1-2 and then if you want Ventura, I do not see it bad --at reasonable price of course.

[Dojji]

I do not see that 1-2 being available, nor do I see him becoming available in the next month.

 

The problem with hankering after a TOTR starter is that literally all 30 teams hanker after a TOTR starter. That means that that guy is just often not out there and when he is, everyone else wants to give an arm and a leg for them. To suspend your search for all possible upgrades for the rotation while you wait for a trade that may never happen and might not even be a good idea if it does, is foolishness.

 

I agree with you this much -- Yordano ventura is not someone you acquire with your mind on getting a top of the rotation starter. My position is that Ventura fills our immediate needs and far more importantly than that, is the bird in the hand, a guy you can get, now, that fills a need now. In that light, holding out for rainbow moondream tradess will not win this team any games between now and July 31st (which I see as the first realistic time one of those TOTR guys might become available). Having Ventura in the rotation might win you 1 or 2 more games in this tight division so it should be pursued.

 

Make the trades you have to make, now, to improve the team, now, and get us maybe another game or 2 in the standings over waiting for the deadline and maybe having to sit pat because someone else blew your trade proposal out of the water for the guy you wanted. This choice does not seem particularly hard to me.

Edited June 9, 2016 by Dojji

[User Name]

I'm sold.

[iortiz]

Wonder what would it take to land Ventura if so... The KCR will try to sell his youth and relative success in recent years like gold.

[moonslav59]

I'm interested. The fact that there are issues attached should make the return not as high as it might otherwise be.

I'm not saying I'd give anything for him, but I'd certainly kick the tires.

We don't need a number 5 starter. We have about 7 of those.

We need to build our rotation from or near the top.

[StephenCurry30]

Yordano definitely takes after his father Robin Ventura, both are feisty players but like his dad, Yordano Ventura has a lot of talent. I would definitely be for trading for this guy. He is young, cost controlled and has a lot of talent, his biggest issue is between the ears. At the absolute worst case scenario, he is an upgrade over our current 5th starter. Not having to watch Kelly and Buchholz alone would make this deal worth it.

[User Name]

Wha? Robin Ventura is not related to Yordano in any way, shape or form.

[S5Dewey]

NESN is reporting that Ventura has been suspended for nine games and will be paying an unspecified fine. Muchado got a four game suspension.

[Spudboy]

Nine games. There goes a chunk of his current value.

 

 

Boy. The fact that KC wants him gone should worry people more.

 

Why do Sox fans believe that he would straighten out here?

[bowman]

Lets send Clay to them for Ventura. I'll take my chances. An attitude can be adjusted. Change of scenery for both pitchers, could work out sweet for us, just saying

[S5Dewey]

Nine games. There goes a chunk of his current value.

 

 

Boy. The fact that KC wants him gone should worry people more.

 

Why do Sox fans believe that he would straighten out here?

 

I agree. I'm scared of this guy. He strikes me as the player with a million dollar arm and a 10c brain.

[Emp9]

A little more. Detail on what transpired and his availability rumor seems premature:

 

http://www.thescore.com/news/1040525

 

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[Dojji]

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We don't need a number 5 starter. We have about 7 of those.

 

If that was true, we wouldn't be using a 4 man rotation right now. We have exactly 0 #5 starters.

[Emp9]

If that was true, we wouldn't be using a 4 man rotation right now. We have exactly 0 #5 starters.

 

We're using a 4 man rotation right now because of all the days off we have make that possible.

[Emp9]

I think Elias gets another shot for #5 slot right?

[Jasonbay44]

We're using a 4 man rotation right now because of all the days off we have make that possible.

You don't use a 4 man rotation, regardless of the amount of off days you have, unless you have #5 starter that sucks. Kelly/Buchholz aren't #5 starters, they've so far been "shouldn't be in league but we have literally no other options" starters.