Making History

[mvp 78]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/175226-the-majority-of-boston-red-sox-used-steroids

 

"I'm in spring training, and I got an 8:30-9:00 meeting in the morning," said Merloni, 38, a native of Framingham, Massachusetts and graduate of Providence College who played five seasons on Yawkey Way as an infielder from 1998-2003.

 

"And I walk into that office, and this happened while I was with the Boston Red Sox before this last regime, I'm sitting in the meeting. There's a doctor up there and he's talking about steroids, and everyone was like 'Here we go, we're gonna sit here and get the whole thing—they're bad for you.' No. He spins it and says 'You know what, if you take steroids and sit on the couch all winter long, you can actually get stronger than someone who works out clean, if you're going to take steroids, one cycle won't hurt you, abusing steroids it will.'”

 

WEEI-AM’s “Big Show” co-host continued, “He sat there for one hour and told us how to properly use steroids while I'm with the Boston Red Sox, sitting there with the rest of the organization, and after this I said 'What the heck was that?' And everybody on the team was like 'What was that?' And the response we got was 'Well, we know guys are taking it, so we want to make sure they're taking it the right way'... Where did that come from? That didn't come from the Players Association."

[Slasher9]

[Slasher9]

http://archive.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2009/08/02/sox_fired_two_in_steroids_case/

 

The security staffers said they were dismissed after what they termed a cursory inquiry by Major League Baseball, and very limited questioning by the team - even though one of the guards says he swapped advice about steroids with David Ortiz’s close friend and personal assistant.

 

Both men said they told investigators they had no direct knowledge of steroid use by Red Sox players, including Manny Ramírez or Ortiz, both of whom were named in a New York Times report last week as having tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs in 2003.

 

But, in interviews with the Globe, both revealed clubhouse details that could have fueled a more zealous inquiry. And the investigation did not even resolve the basic question of where the steroids the security staffer was caught with came from.

 

“I’m sure they were hoping I didn’t know anything,’’ said Jared Remy, one of the security staffers who lost his job. “It’s like they didn’t want to know. It’s like: Do we really want to know or do we just want it to go away?’’

 

you just quoted and relied on testimony from a proven murderer. not a strong case....

[mvp 78]

you just quoted and relied on testimony from a proven murderer. not a strong case....

 

Oh, so it's better that the Sox hired a roid dealer who wound up killing people?!?

 

Great!

 

Boy, this team is squeaky clean. Nothing to see here folks!

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

you just quoted and relied on testimony from a proven murderer. not a strong case....

 

I didn't know he played for the Patriots

[Slasher9]

more fun history:

The real fun didn’t start until the second game, as left-handers Woodie Fryman and Larry Gura (in perhaps his lone highlight as a member of the Yankees; boy, Billy Martin hated him) engaged in a compelling pitchers’ duel. With the game scoreless in the bottom of the second, Nettles stepped to the plate against Fryman, who was usually brutal against left-handed hitters. On this occasion, Nettles found his way against Fryman, connecting on a home run. Once again, the bat did not break, and the Tigers expressed no suspicion that Nettles had done anything to alter or doctor the bat.

 

Well, those suspicions finally began to bubble during Nettles’ next at-bat, which came in the bottom of the fifth inning. Nettles took a swing and nicked one of Fryman's pitches with the end of his bat, blooping a single into the outfield. While Nettles stood at first, thinking he had picked up his second hit of the game, he also realized that something was wrong. At the moment of contact with the ball, the top of his bat had come flying off the barrel, which was an unusual way for a bat to break into two pieces. Bill Freehan, the Tigers’ longtime catcher, also noticed something out of place, specifically with the larger piece of discarded wood that lay near home plate. Freehan recognized that the inside of the stained brown bat contained a foreign substance, a fact to which he alerted home plate umpire Lou DiMuro. After inspecting the bat, DiMuro called Nettles out for using an illegal bat.

 

 

Curiously, some of the newspaper reports of the day (including one in the New York Times) claimed that Freehan and DiMuro had found cork in the bat, but it was actually small pieces of rubber Super Balls that had been inserted into the center of the bat, which had been hollowed out with a drill. (There's an urban legend that entire balls came bouncing out of the bat, but that is sadly untrue.) Although cork has always been the illegal substance of choice when it comes to filling a bat, any substance other than wood qualifies as illegal, making Nettles a clear-cut "criminal" in this case.

[Slasher9]

I didn't know he played for the Patriots

 

and away we go.....

[CliffKlowers]

Needed and missing here are lists of those who confessed to taking steroids, were on patient lists of the Miami clinic, and had legal evidence collected about such drug use. The speculation lists carry little weight compared to the other lists.

[Slasher9]

Oh, so it's better that the Sox hired a roid dealer who wound up killing people?!?

 

Great!

 

Boy, this team is squeaky clean. Nothing to see here folks!

 

no, that wasn't what i was saying. what i was saying was that the statements from a felon are generally not the best basis for "facts".

[jacksonianmarch]

Roger Clemens started out in Boston, right?

 

Ortiz and Manny, quite possibly the biggest reasons for your 2004 series were cheating like hell.

 

And this bombshell from Schilling. Red Sox staff ENCOURAGED PED use to recover.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/07/curt-schilling-peds-red-sox-encouraged_n_2638816.html

 

So while you might think your team is full of clean angels, you're team is just as dirty as the rest

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

and away we go.....

 

Well, when one brings up steroids and murderer in the same sentence the Patriots immediately come to mind.

[Slasher9]

From ESPN's list of "biggest cheaters in baseball":

6. Whitey Ford (pitcher, Yankees, 1950-67)

Ford used his wedding ring to cut the ball, or had catcher Elston Howard put a nice slice in it with a buckle on his shin guard. Ford also planted mud pies around the mound and used them to load the ball. He confessed that when pitching against the Dodgers in the 1963 World Series, "I used enough mud to build a dam." He also threw a "gunk ball," which combined a mixture of baby oil, turpentine, and resin. He kept the "gunk" in a roll-on dispenser, which, the story goes, Yogi Berra once mistook for deodorant, gluing his arms to his sides in the process.

[Slasher9]

Roger Clemens started out in Boston, right?

 

Ortiz and Manny, quite possibly the biggest reasons for your 2004 series were cheating like hell.

 

And this bombshell from Schilling. Red Sox staff ENCOURAGED PED use to recover.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/07/curt-schilling-peds-red-sox-encouraged_n_2638816.html

 

So while you might think your team is full of clean angels, you're team is just as dirty as the rest

 

Jackson....remind me who hit 2 HR's for the NYY in game 7 of the 2003 ALCS?

also, remind me how far each of those cleared the fence as opposed to being simply a flyout?

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

Roger Clemens started out in Boston, right?

 

Ortiz and Manny, quite possibly the biggest reasons for your 2004 series were cheating like hell.

 

And this bombshell from Schilling. Red Sox staff ENCOURAGED PED use to recover.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/07/curt-schilling-peds-red-sox-encouraged_n_2638816.html

 

So while you might think your team is full of clean angels, you're team is just as dirty as the rest

 

Nonsense, get with the program.

 

The Sawx were the ONLY clean team during the PED era.

 

Get your facts straight!!

[Slasher9]

Nonsense, get with the program.

 

The Sawx were the ONLY clean team during the PED era.

 

Get your facts straight!!

 

show me a link to one Red Sox player (and by Red Sox player i mean a player suspended while with the Red Sox) that has been suspended for PeD's by MLB?

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

show me a link to one Red Sox player (and by Red Sox player i mean a player suspended while with the Red Sox) that has been suspended for PeD's by MLB?

 

You can't because as I stated previously:

 

The Sawx were the ONLY clean team during the PED era, despite what Remy, Merloni and Shilling said.

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

show me a link to one Red Sox player (and by Red Sox player i mean a player suspended while with the Red Sox) that has been suspended for PeD's by MLB?

 

And that means Clemens and Bonds were clean too.

 

After all, they were never suspended.

 

Guess you have to take Clemens off the dirty Yankees list.

[Slasher9]

you can believe clemens and bonds were "clean" if you want to.

[Slasher9]

Well, when one brings up steroids and murderer in the same sentence the Patriots immediately come to mind.

 

why?

[Spudboy]

I just work on the assumption that PED use was and probably remains pervasive in big league sports.

 

There is so much money at stake.

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

you can believe clemens and bonds were "clean" if you want to.

 

But, according to you, they are innocent because they were never suspended by MLB for PED use, just like your beloved innocent Sawx players.

 

Your rules, not mine.

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

why?

 

Stll haven't figured out that google thingy I see.

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

I just work on the assumption that PED use was and probably remains pervasive in big league sports.

 

There is so much money at stake.

 

I'd have to agree.

[Youk Of The Nation]

You guys couldn't have spent the morning in the Breakfast Cereal thread, huh?