JBj v Ellsbury Tracker - 2016

[S5Dewey]

My understanding is the DD tried to trade for JBJ when he was in Detroit. He couldn't get Mohammed to come to the mountain so he brought he mountain to Mohammed.

[Jack Flap]

I read something today that Ben said there was no truth to the rumours. Idk... It's all just speculation on our parts. Not sure why the Mariners would ever say no to that deal.

 

I think Edes reported that the Red Sox had proposed JBJ for Furbush and the M's said no. Never sounded right to me either, so I'd be more inclined to believe Ben.

[mvp 78]

I think Edes reported that the Red Sox had proposed JBJ for Furbush and the M's said no. Never sounded right to me either, so I'd be more inclined to believe Ben.

 

http://nesn.com/2015/05/ben-cherington-refutes-jackie-bradley-jr-charlie-furbush-trade-rumor/

 

I'm not an Edes fan to begin with. Edes responded to Ben by saying "yeah, well, one of the teams in the trade WAS my source you ninnymuggins!"

[Emp9]

Wasn't there a study done on the notion of 'protection' a couple of years back, and it was shown to be a myth? (can't remember how it was done--comparing the performance of, say, a #3 hitter when 'protected' by a .300 clean up hitter vs. a .200 clean-up hitter?--no difference). But it's one of those comforting myths we have,, like the virtue of the bunt, 'moving runners up', the 'ideal #2 hitter', and likely most everything we like to discuss!

 

I personally don't hold that traditional view of protection necessarily, but one could easily look to the Cubs walking Harper 13 times last week to pitch to the next batter to realize there are times there is definitely something to it. My view on some basic level that anytime you group your best hitters one after another, the opposing pitcher really has to buckle down for a longer period of At Bats. Hence 'Heart of the Order'. Betts is a tough young hitter who's still trying to figure out the game in his own right, but I believe he does provide some protection for any batter hitting 9th. That said, Betts is no verteran by any means. Besides Betts, JBJ has really done it on his own independently for the most part. That's why I think he may look streaky out in no-mans land, so to speak. In time they'll start moving him up the lineup closer to the heart of the order and there a chance he may prove more consistent.

[dustcover]

Who can deny that JBJ is on a tear, but it begs the question as to whether it's one of his hot streaks against AAA-quality pitching presented by the A's or whether he will sustain his new found plate presence throughout the season putting him in the running for the AL Batting title.

 

Which brings us to the question of when a player batting ninth in the order last won the AL Batting Title?

 

The guy I'm thinking of also displayed a bit of pop in his bat as he became the only player in major league history to hit one grand slam from both sides of the plate in the same game. He's presently with the Cardinals.

 

Let's hope that JBJ can come close to having a similar type year.

[Youk Of The Nation]

I'm not sure what it is with you guys and cryptic thread titles, but this is the best example of what I was talking about in the pinned thread that has come up since I made it. You created this thread literally directly above a thread discussing JBJ's performance on the field and at the plate.

 

Now, on topic, I have to say...no. I do not think JBJ realistically can keep up this pace enough to win the batting title. I still think he'll do very well for the season, but not "better batting average than Miguel Cabrera" well. In fact, I think Pedroia has a better chance at the highest batting average for the team.

[mvp 78]

Batting title? No chance this year. He hasn't had a batting average this high since playing for Salem.

[dustcover]

Sorry about that Youk of the Nation, but the topic I was going for was identifying and remembering the fantastic season that Billy Mueller had in 2003. Using JBJ in that context was not intended to derail your excellent post on his contributions to the present Sox.

[Slasher9]

I'm not sure what it is with you guys and cryptic thread titles, but this is the best example of what I was talking about in the pinned thread that has come up since I made it. You created this thread literally directly above a thread discussing JBJ's performance on the field and at the plate.

 

Now, on topic, I have to say...no. I do not think JBJ realistically can keep up this pace enough to win the batting title. I still think he'll do very well for the season, but not "better batting average than Miguel Cabrera" well. In fact, I think Pedroia has a better chance at the highest batting average for the team.

edited because i'm an idiot.

[Slasher9]

I'm not sure what it is with you guys and cryptic thread titles, but this is the best example of what I was talking about in the pinned thread that has come up since I made it. You created this thread literally directly above a thread discussing JBJ's performance on the field and at the plate.

 

Now, on topic, I have to say...no. I do not think JBJ realistically can keep up this pace enough to win the batting title. I still think he'll do very well for the season, but not "better batting average than Miguel Cabrera" well. In fact, I think Pedroia has a better chance at the highest batting average for the team.

edit. nvm. i see what happened.

[Maxbialystock]

Wasn't there a study done on the notion of 'protection' a couple of years back, and it was shown to be a myth? (can't remember how it was done--comparing the performance of, say, a #3 hitter when 'protected' by a .300 clean up hitter vs. a .200 clean-up hitter?--no difference). But it's one of those comforting myths we have,, like the virtue of the bunt, 'moving runners up', the 'ideal #2 hitter', and likely most everything we like to discuss!

 

A great bat following a great bat definitely helps. Ortiz was nothing at Minnesota and went on a tear instantly with the Sox because he batted third and Manny Ramirez batted 4th. When Manny left for LA in 2008, Ortiz's numbers, while still good, went down. That's when Ortiz started saying, "I can't get a pitch to hit." Protection, if that's the right term, is no myth. That said, Ortiz's protection--with Hanley Ramirez following him--isn't that great, but he is still hitting up a storm but also getting walked a lot.

[StephenCurry30]

Didn't Bill Muelller win a battle title batting 9th?

[bosoxmal]

I've hammered at JBJ so many times, you'd think he'd been around ten years. Nope. Just emerging from the "rookie" class. I go back to Jimmie Foxx, and I've experiences a lot of happy surprise re/the Sox, but this this takes the cake!

Go, Jackie and don't look back. It's all in front of you. (And I'm not wrong, this time!)

 

(Whoops, IBJ? Lousy eyes again, sorry!

[Bellhorn04]

Didn't Bill Muelller win a battle title batting 9th?

 

Correct answer...but you missed the post 4 above yours where it was already given.

[dustcover]

You are absolutely spot on! 2003 was a monster year for Mueller.

[Jack Flap]

That 2003 Sox offense was really something.

[Bellhorn04]

Funny thing is I was very disappointed in Mueller in the 2003 postseason. Little did I know what he would do in 2004.

[Slasher9]

GAME 35 - JBj

 

JBj: 2-4 / RBI / RS

 

JE: 0-0 (late inning defense replacement)

 

Score:

 

JBj: 22

 

JE: 8

 

Tie: 5

Edited May 16, 2016 by Slasher9

[Slasher9]

Girllsbury still out with a bruised vagina.

[Dojji]

That 2003 Sox offense was really something.

This team is performing a very reasonable imitation of that offensive level right now.

[Dojji]

Girllsbury still out with a bruised vagina.

 

I don't think it's necessary to impugn Ellsbury's character. Some players just recover quicker from injury than others.

 

And just for the record, some of the toughest people I've ever met have been women, so you can just get *that* out of your system to, thank you kindly.

[Slasher9]

agreed. women are absolutely tougher than men.

[S5Dewey]

agreed. women are absolutely tougher than men.

 

There's no doubt about that. A woman has a baby and in a couple of years she's willing to do it again. Let a man get kicked in the balls just ONCE and he swears it will NEVER happen again.

 

Hmmm.. does that pass the censors on this board?

[Spudboy]

There's no doubt about that. A woman has a baby and in a couple of years she's willing to do it again. Let a man get kicked in the balls just ONCE and he swears it will NEVER happen again.

 

Hmmm.. does that pass the censors on this board?

 

Yes. from what I have seen.

[mvp 78]

There's no doubt about that. A woman has a baby and in a couple of years she's willing to do it again. Let a man get kicked in the balls just ONCE and he swears it will NEVER happen again.

 

Hmmm.. does that pass the censors on this board?

 

Being a dad means you'll get nutchecked by your kids daily until they are 8 or so. They don't put that in the brochures.

[Slasher9]

GAME 36 - JBj

 

JBj: 3-4 / RBI / RS

 

JE: 1-4 / 2RS

 

Score:

 

JBj: 23

 

JE: 8

 

Tie: 5

[Slasher9]

GAME 37 - Tie

 

JBj: 1-5 / BB

 

JE: 1-4 / RS

 

Score:

 

JBj: 23

 

JE: 8

 

Tie: 6

Edited May 17, 2016 by Slasher9

[Slasher9]

GAME 38 - JE

 

JBj: 1-5

 

JE: 1-4 / RBI

 

Score:

 

JBj: 23

 

JE: 9

 

Tie: 6

Edited May 18, 2016 by Slasher9

[redsoxdirtdog]

Being a dad means you'll get nutchecked by your kids daily until they are 8 or so. They don't put that in the brochures.

 

LOL. reminds me of when my about to graduate son dropped me like a sack of flour when he was about 7. Bautistad south of the border.

[Slasher9]

GAME 39 - JE

 

JBj: 1-2 / 2BB / RBI / E

 

JE: 3-3 / 2BB / RBI / 2RS

 

Score:

 

JBj: 23

 

JE: 10

 

Tie: 6

Edited May 19, 2016 by Slasher9