Hanley hope

[Kimmi]

I don't know if it is a desperation move, but rather a situation that Shaw has forced with his hot bat. I view it as a luxury if Shaw can play 3B and continue his hot hitting.

 

Desperation move - no. Panic move - yes.

[Kimmi]

When the thread started, I never thought that anyone would suggest the possibility of Hanley not hitting. Looks as though we have backup plans for everything.

 

Ben says "You're welcome" to all of you.

[cp176]

Ben says "You're welcome" to all of you.

 

When you next talk to him, say hello for me will you.

[mvp 78]

Ben says "You're welcome" to all of you.

 

Tell him he was an idiot for putting him in LF in the first place.

[User Name]

It'd be one thing if Pablo could still play D. But a 1b playing 3b isn't all that bad when the incumbent looks like a Latin Santa Claus and plays D like one too

 

A Latin Santa Claus would probably be able to play 3B competently though.

[a700hitter]

Tell him that he was an idiot for taking a sledge hammer to a competent starting rotation.

[Kimmi]

Tell him he was an idiot for putting him in LF in the first place.

 

No, he really wasn't. That should have worked out.

 

He was an idiot for not re-signing Lester when he could have had him for relatively cheap, if that was his doing.

 

He was not an idiot for signing Pablo, because I know that he would not do such a thing without being "persuaded" by higher ups.

[a700hitter]

No, he really wasn't. That should have worked out.

 

He was an idiot for not re-signing Lester when he could have had him for relatively cheap, if that was his doing.

 

He was not an idiot for signing Pablo, because I know that he would not do such a thing without being "persuaded" by higher ups.

As the GM he was an incompetent if he wasn't the one doing the persuading of the hjgher ups. Edited March 25, 2016 by a700hitter

[Kimmi]

As the GM he was an incopetent if he wasn't the one doing the persuading of the hjgher ups.

 

Just like Theo was incompetent?

 

You see exactly how competent he is, now that he doesn't have to answer to the higher ups.

[User Name]

Just like Theo was incompetent?

 

You see exactly how competent he is, now that he doesn't have to answer to the higher ups.

 

This is a very good point.

[a700hitter]

Just like Theo was incompetent?

 

You see exactly how competent he is, now that he doesn't have to answer to the higher ups.

What does Theo have to do with Ben?

[User Name]

Same regime problems. You know exactly what she means.

[Dojji]

What does Theo have to do with Ben?

 

Interesting question. Let's explore it logically by comparing what Theo and Ben have in common.

 

The big thing they have in common seems to be their employer. Hmm. I wonder what influence the employer has on the outcome their employees can produce.

[a700hitter]

Same regime problems. You know exactly what she means.

Theo did a much better job in the same regime than Ben did. So, no, I don't get what one had to do with the other. Theo was a far better GM.

[mvp 78]

He was not an idiot for signing Pablo, because I know that he would not do such a thing without being "persuaded" by higher ups.

Unless you were on the Sox payroll, you simply can't know this for sure.

[Spudboy]

Tell him that he was an idiot for taking a sledge hammer to a competent starting rotation.

 

My biggest gripe with the guy.

 

Just dumb.

[cp176]

Interesting question. Let's explore it logically by comparing what Theo and Ben have in common.

 

The big thing they have in common seems to be their employer. Hmm. I wonder what influence the employer has on the outcome their employees can produce.

 

so I need to understand something. looks to me like we have a new GM these days and he does come with a few differences it seems. Like them or not. He clearly appreciates the using of advanced statistical data but safe to say not to the extent of say Ben or Theo. He didn't make many moves but the ones he made look like they might address areas of need that really were not addressed by Ben. It seems pretty obvious that he believes in playing the players who are proving to be the best in their respective positions. Contract size and length as well as available options seem fairly secondary to him. He has an endorsement from one of the leaders of our modern Red Sox era. If you haven't read what Ortiz recently said about him you should. he might impact his bosses more than they impact him. I don't think that he will sit still if we get off to a poor start and more importantly to me he appears to be a fairly straight shooter who is not full of ********. We are fortunate to have him and I think that his bosses are paying attention.

[User Name]

so I need to understand something. looks to me like we have a new GM these days and he does come with a few differences it seems. Like them or not. He clearly appreciates the using of advanced statistical data but safe to say not to the extent of say Ben or Theo. He didn't make many moves but the ones he made look like they might address areas of need that really were not addressed by Ben. It seems pretty obvious that he believes in playing the players who are proving to be the best in their respective positions. Contract size and length as well as available options seem fairly secondary to him. He has an endorsement from one of the leaders of our modern Red Sox era. If you haven't read what Ortiz recently said about him you should. he might impact his bosses more than they impact him. I don't think that he will sit still if we get off to a poor start and more importantly to me he appears to be a fairly straight shooter who is not full of ********. We are fortunate to have him and I think that his bosses are paying attention.

 

He's talking about Larry Lucchino. Lucchino is not with the team anymore.

[cp176]

He's talking about Larry Lucchino. Lucchino is not with the team anymore.

 

think I knew that. Doesn't change how I feel about what I have seen so far this season. there is a different outlook being shown that I am willing to give Dumbrowski credit for. My opinion is that I like his approach.

[Elktonnick]

No, he really wasn't. That should have worked out.

 

He was an idiot for not re-signing Lester when he could have had him for relatively cheap, if that was his doing.

 

He was not an idiot for signing Pablo, because I know that he would not do such a thing without being "persuaded" by higher ups.

 

Just how do you know that? Did higher ups force him to take Craig also. Here we go with that crap of every bad move wasn't Ben's fault but every good move was to his credit.

 

News Flash: Cherrington didn't get fired because he did what he was told to do. Get over him, he is out of baseball, and may be for a very long time!

Edited March 26, 2016 by Elktonnick

[Kimmi]

Theo did a much better job in the same regime than Ben did. So, no, I don't get what one had to do with the other. Theo was a far better GM.

 

Theo is a much better GM than Ben. Theo is The Man.

 

The point still stands though. Both GMs were "persuaded" to make free agents signings that they didn't want to because of directives from higher ups.

[Kimmi]

Unless you were on the Sox payroll, you simply can't know this for sure.

 

Of course I can't know this for sure.

 

But if there is anything I can feel 99.99% sure about without having the actual knowledge of what happened, this is it.

[Dojji]

I have to agree. None of the Porcello extension, the Hanley signing or the Sandoval signing meshed with how Ben had operated up to that point. Witness how each move completely caught not just us, but the beat writers too, completely by surprise.

 

It seems to me that the 2014-2015 offseason was marked by extensive executive meddling due to overreaction to dismal results in 2014.

[Kimmi]

so I need to understand something. looks to me like we have a new GM these days and he does come with a few differences it seems. Like them or not. He clearly appreciates the using of advanced statistical data but safe to say not to the extent of say Ben or Theo. He didn't make many moves but the ones he made look like they might address areas of need that really were not addressed by Ben. It seems pretty obvious that he believes in playing the players who are proving to be the best in their respective positions. Contract size and length as well as available options seem fairly secondary to him. He has an endorsement from one of the leaders of our modern Red Sox era. If you haven't read what Ortiz recently said about him you should. he might impact his bosses more than they impact him. I don't think that he will sit still if we get off to a poor start and more importantly to me he appears to be a fairly straight shooter who is not full of ********. We are fortunate to have him and I think that his bosses are paying attention.

 

Dombrowski has done a very good job so far. I don't agree with what I deem to be his overall philosophy, but so far, I'm okay with where this team is. We'll see what happens.

[Kimmi]

Just how do you know that? Did higher ups force him to take Craig also. Here we go with that crap of every bad move wasn't Ben's fault but every good move was to his credit.

 

News Flash: Cherrington didn't get fired because he did what he was told to do. Get over him, he is out of baseball, and may be for a very long time!

 

Actually, I think the Craig trade was Ben's.

[Elktonnick]

Actually, I think the Craig trade was Ben's.

 

Why one and not the other?

[Dojji]

The Craig trade sounds more Ben-like. He always did favor trying to find value rather than go over the top for a name.

[Kimmi]

I have to agree. None of the Porcello extension, the Hanley signing or the Sandoval signing meshed with how Ben had operated up to that point. Witness how each move completely caught not just us, but the beat writers too, completely by surprise.

 

It seems to me that the 2014-2015 offseason was marked by extensive executive meddling due to overreaction to dismal results in 2014.

 

Sandoval definitely was from higher ups. Hanley I'm on the fence about. Porcello I think was Ben.

 

That said, this FO does seem to overreact quite often.

[mvp 78]

Of course I can't know this for sure.

 

But if there is anything I can feel 99.99% sure about without having the actual knowledge of what happened, this is it.

 

Why? Just curious.

 

I have no idea how to separate moves between FO personnel and ownership.

[User Name]

I have to agree. None of the Porcello extension, the Hanley signing or the Sandoval signing meshed with how Ben had operated up to that point. Witness how each move completely caught not just us, but the beat writers too, completely by surprise.

 

It seems to me that the 2014-2015 offseason was marked by extensive executive meddling due to overreaction to dismal results in 2014.

 

Just like the Crawford fiasco. I'd disagree about the Porcello extension though.