2016 Red Sox Hot Stove Discussion Thread

[cp176]

The stuff coming from the press is crazy. Tomase starts my day off with a venomous piece focusing on why we need to get rid of Hanley and later on I read that the Sox expect him to play 140 games as our first baseman. It's O'Day then its Chapman. Maybe Betts for Harvey. The beat goes on. All good reading but no one has a clue really and no one will until the deeds get done. Personally, I would hate to see Betts go but if it was either Betts or Buchholz, I would always keep the shortstop. Even though it is painful, I think you trade the guys who are replaceable. I still see a big need for two top of the rotation guys. If the Sox trade for a true young top of the rotation guy, It will cost them big. It will take at least one potential star. I guess you have to dangle potential middle of the rotation guys like Owens and Johnson maybe Kelly or even Buccholtz along with the likes of players that may or may not produce on the big stage like Marrero and JBJ, Shaw etc. etc. etc. Good luck. I'm going to guess the GMs will eyeball - Betts, Bogaerts, Swihart, Rodriguez, along with the likes of Moncada, Devers, Margot, and Benintendi. They know what we need. It is just a question of how deeply the Sox are willing to go.

 

 

I meant Betts or Bogaerts not Buchholtz ( not sure I care what they do with him)

[Kimmi]

@ScottLauber: (1/2) Dombrowski on #RedSox making a big, bold move: "At some point, we're going to most likely do something that is painful. ...

 

Pedroia to be traded this offseason!

 

I'm sure it will be painful, and I'm sure I'm not going to like it.

[Kimmi]

@Ken_Rosenthal: As expected, #RedSox aggressive on multiple fronts. Chapman believed to be one. Team also could go for setup type to put in front of Uehara.

 

I still think the cost for Chapman will be too high, no matter how lights out he may be.

[Kimmi]

The stuff coming from the press is crazy. Tomase starts my day off with a venomous piece focusing on why we need to get rid of Hanley and later on I read that the Sox expect him to play 140 games as our first baseman. It's O'Day then its Chapman. Maybe Betts for Harvey. The beat goes on. All good reading but no one has a clue really and no one will until the deeds get done. Personally, I would hate to see Betts go but if it was either Betts or Buchholz, I would always keep the shortstop. Even though it is painful, I think you trade the guys who are replaceable. I still see a big need for two top of the rotation guys. If the Sox trade for a true young top of the rotation guy, It will cost them big. It will take at least one potential star. I guess you have to dangle potential middle of the rotation guys like Owens and Johnson maybe Kelly or even Buccholtz along with the likes of players that may or may not produce on the big stage like Marrero and JBJ, Shaw etc. etc. etc. Good luck. I'm going to guess the GMs will eyeball - Betts, Bogaerts, Swihart, Rodriguez, along with the likes of Moncada, Devers, Margot, and Benintendi. They know what we need. It is just a question of how deeply the Sox are willing to go.

 

This is exactly why I hate the Hot Stove. This stuff drives me crazy, but I can't NOT read it. Fortunately, there haven't been any reports of the Sox being close to trading Betts, Bogaerts, Swihart, etc. yet, so I've been able to remain relatively calm.

[Spudboy]

I'll puke if they move either Bogey or Betts.

[Kimmi]

I'll puke if they move either Bogey or Betts.

 

I probably would too. Then again, I really don't want to see any of our young players traded, though I know it will be necessary.

 

As Dombrowski said, it will be painful.

[mvp 78]

This is exactly why I hate the Hot Stove. This stuff drives me crazy, but I can't NOT read it. Fortunately, there haven't been any reports of the Sox being close to trading Betts, Bogaerts, Swihart, etc. yet, so I've been able to remain relatively calm.

 

This is exactly why I love it.

[mvp 78]

It's the most wonderful time of the year...

[mvp 78]

I still think the cost for Chapman will be too high, no matter how lights out he may be.

 

Price tag may be high, but we won't know how high until he's dealt.

 

Dombrowski likes to move early and loves power arms.

[mvp 78]

@alexspeier: Bogaerts wins Silver Slugger as AL's top hitting shortstop.

[mvp 78]

@Shesta_Sox: Xander Bogaerts is the youngest Red Sox player ever to win a Silver Slugger award. He turned 23 on October 1.

[Bellhorn04]

I'll puke if they move either Bogey or Betts.

 

I don't think they have any intention of moving either one. Those two are bona fide rising stars. The Red Sox do not need to trade them.

[cp176]

I'll puke if they move either Bogey or Betts.

 

Don't stick your finger down your throat just yet. I'm betting they would have to be offered one helluva deal to pry one of those guys loose. Something our side isn't used to. Everybody wants to hijack the Sox. I don't think that will happen.

[a700hitter]

This is exactly why I hate the Hot Stove. This stuff drives me crazy, but I can't NOT read it. Fortunately, there haven't been any reports of the Sox being close to trading Betts, Bogaerts, Swihart, etc. yet, so I've been able to remain relatively calm.

You can rest easily that our last place roster is still intact.

[Kimmi]

This is exactly why I love it.

 

It puts knots in my stomach. I would rather not hear the hundreds of rumors and all of the speculation, and just read the news when the deal is done. And yet, as I said earlier, I can't keep myself from reading all this stuff.

[Kimmi]

Price tag may be high, but we won't know how high until he's dealt.

 

Dombrowski likes to move early and loves power arms.

 

I know that Dombrowski has had a genuine interest. IMO, the price in prospects will be too high for a one year relief pitcher. I think he could do more or less just as well in another reliever with a lower cost. We'll have to wait and see.

 

Last I heard, Dombrowski prefers Ken Giles over Chapman.

[Kimmi]

I don't think they have any intention of moving either one. Those two are bona fide rising stars. The Red Sox do not need to trade them.

 

Agreed. Of course, if moving one of them is the "pain" that Dombrowski speaks of, I will not be happy. I don't see that happening though.

[mvp 78]

@Ken_Rosenthal: Source: #RedSox acquiring Kimbrel from #Padres. Return not yet known.

[dupree]

Interesting to see what the moving pieces in this deal wI'll be... it will probably set the standard for this offseason reliever trades

[mvp 78]

@PeteAbe: #RedSox sent Margot, Guerra, infielder Carlos Asuaje and LHP Logan Allen to Padres for Kimbrel.

[jacksonianmarch]

They got him without giving up big league talent. Bravo

[mvp 78]

They got him without giving up big league talent. Bravo

 

That's why you hoard prospects.

[Dojji]

Exactly. I'm a bit of a prospectophile myself but you can't get attached to any one guy before he's touched the big leagues. We've seen some guys who looked like sure fire big leaguers just disappear from one year to the next (anyone remember Garin Cecchini when he looked like the second coming of Wade Boggs?) so if you can return big league value for prospects it's usually wise to move on it.

 

(This is also why I like to try to keep my eyes open for potential pleasant surprises. Every now and again you get a guy who turns out to be a significant piece of the puzzle for a year or two, who everyone overlooks because he wasn't hyped -- prospect uncertainty runs both ways and people forget that sometimes)

Edited November 14, 2015 by Dojji

[sk7326]

That's why you hoard prospects.

 

Well you hoard them to get a starter, not a "proven closer" ... runs counter to how teams have been sourcing that position i.e. their own pitchers, sifting through other team's garbage, converting failed starters

[sk7326]

Exactly. I'm a bit of a prospectophile myself but you can't get attached to any one guy before he's touched the big leagues. We've seen some guys who looked like sure fire big leaguers just disappear from one year to the next (anyone remember Garin Cecchini when he looked like the second coming of Wade Boggs?) so if you can return big league value for prospects it's usually wise to move on it.

 

(This is also why I like to try to keep my eyes open for potential pleasant surprises. Every now and again you get a guy who turns out to be a significant piece of the puzzle for a year or two, who everyone overlooks because he wasn't hyped -- prospect uncertainty runs both ways and people forget that sometimes)

 

It's why the Padres get a lot of credit - they got four guys with major league projection for 60 innings.

[Dojji]

Ahh. I take it you're one of those people who's under the delusion that the bullpen is like the positional bench and like the bench should be full of retreads, failed starters, has-beens and second stringers. Buddy that may be how they used to do it but that ain't how baseball's played these days. Relief pitching *is proven* to be as critical to a world series run as starting pitching and the lineup

 

Quality relief pitching is enjoying a renaissance because good teams have discovered that having a great bullpen is what turns a good team into a championship team. Feigning shock when the price of talent reflects the significance of that renaissance helps no one

Edited November 14, 2015 by Dojji

[a700hitter]

Ahh. I take it you're one of those people who's under the delusion that the bullpen is like the positional bench and like the bench should be full of retreads, failed starters, has-beens and second stringers. Buddy that may be how they used to do it but that ain't how baseball's played these days. Relief pitching *is proven* to be as critical to a world series run as starting pitching and the lineup

 

Quality relief pitching is enjoying a renaissance because good teams have discovered that having a great bullpen is what turns a good team into a championship team. Feigning shock when the price of talent reflects the significance of that renaissance helps no one

Bullpens have become much more important and a good pen is a necessity if you want to build a winning team. Kimbrel is a top quality arm, which our pen had far too few of last year.

[sk7326]

Ahh. I take it you're one of those people who's under the delusion that the bullpen is like the positional bench and like the bench should be full of retreads, failed starters, has-beens and second stringers. Buddy that may be how they used to do it but that ain't how baseball's played these days. Relief pitching *is proven* to be as critical to a world series run as starting pitching and the lineup

 

Quality relief pitching is enjoying a renaissance because good teams have discovered that having a great bullpen is what turns a good team into a championship team. Feigning shock when the price of talent reflects the significance of that renaissance helps no one

 

no silly. i am saying we built an elite bullpen for peanuts. so did the royals. wade davis was a failed starter. so was uehara. all relievers were at some point.

[a700hitter]

no silly. i am saying we built an elite bullpen for peanuts. so did the royals. wade davis was a failed starter. so was uehara. all relievers were at some point.

And Kelly may help build our bullpen. We have two big money pieces in the pen. That is not disproportionate or outrageous considering our payroll.

 

Edit: We will have to wait and see how DD builds a pen. Kimbrell is a good start. BC built a horrible pen last year -- a big steaming pile of garbage.

[Elktonnick]

It's why the Padres get a lot of credit - they got four guys with major league projection for 60 innings.

 

Those aren't just 60 innings but rather 60 appearances when the game is usually on the line. If he can make that many appearances in a Red Sox uniform and only blow 4 games a year the way he has for the past few years that means 56 wins per year when he plays. I'll take that from a closer any day.