2015 Red Sox In-Season Thread

[cp176]

Mujica DFAed, despite an excellent 5th and 6th inning last night.

 

Why DFA both Mujica and Varvaro a month into the season? Even if they do suck, that bullpen will need to eat some innings, and cutting your options -- especially ones that have performed well in the past -- is not good for the team.

 

I haven't read anything to indicate it but maybe they will bring up a couple of the guys from Pawtucket and move one or two of our starting studs into the bullpen.

[cp176]

I'd take Paps back for the Phillies eating half the contract and taking a C level prospect. That's my final offer.

 

 

I would not like to see a trade for him but if they continue to use Tarawa as they have, then they are going to have to get some help from somewhere particularly if they don't bring some one up.

[Station 13]

Mujica DFAed, despite an excellent 5th and 6th inning last night.

 

Why DFA both Mujica and Varvaro a month into the season? Even if they do suck, that bullpen will need to eat some innings, and cutting your options -- especially ones that have performed well in the past -- is not good for the team.

 

Because they're ready to give Barnes a chance. Mujica is pure junk and wasn't use in any close situation.

[Palodios]

Because they're ready to give Barnes a chance. Mujica is pure junk and wasn't use in any close situation.

 

Then why not send Hinojosa back to the minors for Barnes? Now they are stuck with the young arms instead of having options.

[Station 13]

Then why not send Hinojosa back to the minors for Barnes? Now they are stuck with the young arms instead of having options.

 

Hinojosa was already sent down after Sunday night. Mujica ran out of chances.

[Jasonbay44]

I really didn't understand getting rid of Varvaro so quickly, he had played 9 games and the previous two years he was actually good. I think he deserved a longer leash than that, but maybe there is something we don't know about him, because Cubs DFA him before he even threw a pitch for them.

[Spudboy]

Red Sox Fire Pitching Coach Juan Nieves

 

 

Okay. What next?

[iortiz]

Cherington?

[VA Sox Fan]

Mujica designated too

[User Name]

Cherington?

 

You're.....serious with this post?

[yankthis]

Ditching Mujica should automatically add about 8 wins - if not a few more - to the win column over the course of the season. Mujica is Spanish for "game-thrower".

[Palodios]

Red Sox Fire Pitching Coach Juan Nieves

 

 

Okay. What next?

 

What on earth? This is a move intended to put fire under the team's butts. You guys suck. This s*** will not be tolerated by the organization or its fans.

 

Whatever Nieves has been doing, it wasn't working.

[Spudboy]

You're.....serious with this post?

 

 

I was referring to who would be the new pitching coach.

 

Cherrington did build this team so if the Sox fail it is all on him.

 

But the FO is not so quick to oust one of their own. That would directly reflect on their decision to hire the GM in the first place.

 

I don't see how getting rid of Nieves will help unless he was not well liked among the pitchers.

 

The problem is that the entire team is under performing.

 

Farrell will be the next big sacrifice, not Cherrington.

[Elktonnick]

While I was not a big fan of Nieves as pitching coach his sudden departure surprises me. I suspect it has more to do than the current sorry state of sox pitching. I am guessing that there were underlying philosophical differences between Nieves and some of the pitchers or with Farrelland/or Cherrington. I should know this but did Farrell choose Nieves himself or was he hired by above and imposed on Farrell. If he was a Farrell hire than the manager is on shaky ground.

[User Name]

I was referring to who would be the new pitching coach.

 

Cherrington did build this team so if the Sox fail it is all on him.

 

But the FO is not so quick to oust one of their own. That would directly reflect on their decision to hire the GM in the first place.

 

I don't see how getting rid of Nieves will help unless he was not well liked among the pitchers.

 

The problem is that the entire team is under performing.

 

Farrell will be the next big sacrifice, not Cherrington.

 

I wasn't referring to your post, but iortiz' notion that Cherington would go. It's.....silly.

[a700hitter]

I was referring to who would be the new pitching coach.

 

Cherrington did build this team so if the Sox fail it is all on him.

 

But the FO is not so quick to oust one of their own. That would directly reflect on their decision to hire the GM in the first place.

 

I don't see how getting rid of Nieves will help unless he was not well liked among the pitchers.

 

The problem is that the entire team is under performing.

 

Farrell will be the next big sacrifice, not Cherrington.

I fCherington manages to finish last in 3 of 4 seasons, he will get fired regardless of the Championship.

[a700hitter]

While I was not a big fan of Nieves as pitching coach his sudden departure surprises me. I suspect it has more to do than the current sorry state of sox pitching. I am guessing that there were underlying philosophical differences between Nieves and some of the pitchers or with Farrelland/or Cherrington. I should know this but did Farrell choose Nieves himself or was he hired by above and imposed on Farrell. If he was a Farrell hire than the manager is on shaky ground.

 

I am being facetious, but the difference in philosophy just boiled down to getting guys out versus not getting them out.

Edited May 7, 2015 by a700hitter

[Elktonnick]

I am being facetious, but the difeerence in philosoph just boiled down to getting guys out versus not getting them out.

 

I do think there is more to the firing than the above. Henry is obviously not happy. The question is who else will be gone if things don't turn around.

[Palodios]

I fCherington manages to finish last in 3 of 4 seasons, he will get fired regardless of the Championship.

 

As much as I have enjoyed having Ben as GM, you're absolutely right. He's lost a lot of games as GM. He clearly has a goal in mind, but if this ends up being another awful season, 2013 won't save him.

[a700hitter]

I do think there is more to the firing than the above. Henry is obviously not happy. The question is who else will be gone if things don't turn around.

I am glad that ownership is not just sitting around saying that it is still early. It is early, but this team is very poorly constructed. It has some very bad flaws that will not correct themselves. Masterson is not going to wake up tomorrow and find the 4 MPH that he lost on his fastball last year that caused him to be the 5+ ERA pitcher that he was last year and that he will continue to be this year. He needs to go to the pen or get cut. The jury is no longer out on him. He didn't regain what he lost last year, and there have been no signs of it coming back. They should move him out of the rotation immediately. Buch should get to the end of May to find himself. We are stuck with Miley for 3 years. Give Kelly until the end of June to get his stuff together and then send him to the bullpen. Give Barnes the first shot and then Johnson.

[a700hitter]

As much as I have enjoyed having Ben as GM, you're absolutely right. He's lost a lot of games as GM. He clearly has a goal in mind, but if this ends up being another awful season, 2013 won't save him.

I greatly enjoyed 2013. The season was like a dream from beginning to end and it was topped off by my greatest sports experience of my lifetime -- being at Fenway Park for game 6 of the World Series. However, no business can tolerate spending as much money as the Red Sox do if they come in last place in 3 out of 4 seasons. Yes, that is premature for this season, but they can't let this spiral toward the drain again. Edited May 8, 2015 by a700hitter

[cp176]

I am glad that ownership is not just sitting around saying that it is still early. It is early, but this team is very poorly constructed. It has some very bad flaws that will not correct themselves. Masterson is not going to wake up tomorrow and find the 4 MPH that he lost on his fastball last year that caused him to be the 5+ ERA pitcher that he was last year and that he will continue to be this year. He needs to go to the pen or get cut. The jury is no longer out on him. He didn't regain what he lost last year, and there have been no signs of it coming back. They should move him out of the rotation immediately. Buch should get to the end of May to find himself. We are stuck with Miley for 3 years. Give Kelly until the end of June to get his stuff together and then send him to the bullpen. Give Barnes the first shot and then Johnson.

 

 

I agree with you but I think that if they make a decision to bring someone up from Pawtucket it ought to be based on who is throwing the best at that time. I am not sure that it would be either Barnes or Johnson. Right now Johnson would either be 3rd or 4th and Barnes 5th. I'm sick of people talking about the age of any of these guys. Bring up the one who is doing the best job - something the Sox don't tend to always do.

[iortiz]

I am being facetious, but the difference in philosophy just boiled down to getting guys out versus not getting them out.

 

As much as I have enjoyed having Ben as GM, you're absolutely right. He's lost a lot of games as GM. He clearly has a goal in mind, but if this ends up being another awful season, 2013 won't save him.

 

Yup, another failure will make very difficult to keep his job. He hasn't learned how to build a pitching staff, still time, but right now is not encouraging.

Edited May 7, 2015 by iortiz

[iortiz]

I agree with you but I think that if they make a decision to bring someone up from Pawtucket it ought to be based on who is throwing the best at that time. I am not sure that it would be either Barnes or Johnson. Right now Johnson would either be 3rd or 4th and Barnes 5th. I'm sick of people talking about the age of any of these guys. Bring up the one who is doing the best job - something the Sox don't tend to always do.

 

What else could go worse?

[a700hitter]

I agree with you but I think that if they make a decision to bring someone up from Pawtucket it ought to be based on who is throwing the best at that time. I am not sure that it would be either Barnes or Johnson. Right now Johnson would either be 3rd or 4th and Barnes 5th. I'm sick of people talking about the age of any of these guys. Bring up the one who is doing the best job - something the Sox don't tend to always do.

 

You have been following the progress of the minor league pitchers more closely than I have been following them. I agree that the better performers should be promoted.

[a700hitter]

Red Sox Fire Pitching Coach Juan Nieves

 

 

Okay. What next?

 

FO being very reactionary. . Luckily they don't post in our game threads. What a whiney bunch they sound like! LOL!

[Kimmi]

I am glad that ownership is not just sitting around saying that it is still early. It is early, but this team is very poorly constructed. It has some very bad flaws that will not correct themselves. Masterson is not going to wake up tomorrow and find the 4 MPH that he lost on his fastball last year that caused him to be the 5+ ERA pitcher that he was last year and that he will continue to be this year. He needs to go to the pen or get cut. The jury is no longer out on him. He didn't regain what he lost last year, and there have been no signs of it coming back. They should move him out of the rotation immediately. Buch should get to the end of May to find himself. We are stuck with Miley for 3 years. Give Kelly until the end of June to get his stuff together and then send him to the bullpen. Give Barnes the first shot and then Johnson.

 

If the offense were doing its job, this team, starting rotation included, would not look nearly as bad as it does. The recent numbers with RISP are horrendous. The rotation has been worse than what I think the FO thought it would be, but IMO, the offense has underperformed more than the rotation has. Remember, we were expecting to win a lot of 8-7 games. We have not seen this offense even be able to win 4-3 games for us.

[Kimmi]

I agree with you but I think that if they make a decision to bring someone up from Pawtucket it ought to be based on who is throwing the best at that time. I am not sure that it would be either Barnes or Johnson. Right now Johnson would either be 3rd or 4th and Barnes 5th. I'm sick of people talking about the age of any of these guys. Bring up the one who is doing the best job - something the Sox don't tend to always do.

 

My understanding is that Barnes is coming up to join the pen.

[a700hitter]

If the offense were doing its job, this team, starting rotation included, would not look nearly as bad as it does. The recent numbers with RISP are horrendous. The rotation has been worse than what I think the FO thought it would be, but IMO, the offense has underperformed more than the rotation has. Remember, we were expecting to win a lot of 8-7 games. We have not seen this offense even be able to win 4-3 games for us.

 

Don't argue with me. The reactionary FO made these moves firing Nieves and cutting Mujica.

Edited May 8, 2015 by a700hitter

[jacksonianmarch]

Kimmi, the starting rotation has been so bad that the offense hasn't even had a chance to get going before they are behind. It is a far different beast hitting with RISP when trailing than when you are ahead or tied. BTW, I feel for Nieves. Nothing like dealing away your pitching talent last year, bringing in a bunch of stiffs and then expecting the pitching coach to turn back the clock on them. Nieves hopefully will find work in short order