What Does the Acquisition of Rusney Castillo mean for Bradley?

[cp176]

The moves certainly don't bode well for him. However, he still has options so I don't see any rush in trying to move him. If nothing else, perhaps he can at least raise his value by improving his offense some.

 

Hard to imagine someone that has his talent not being able help somehow. Your posts are refreshingly non-negative even in disagreement. I have learned a great deal from just reading posts. Negative comments directed toward front office personnel or actually players is much easier for me to live with then when they are directed at posters no matter what they have to say. They are entitled to their opinions. Couple of vampires on the board who only appear when they have the opportunity to attack others. They actually have on occasion something interesting to say - worth reading for sure. It would be much more interesting without the nastiness which gets attached often like a little addendum. So - keep bringing those solid posts.

[Spudboy]

That was the height of Fred's anti-Victorino madness. I'm willing to bet his house that he wanted JBJ around.

 

I wasn't on the board much then. Wow.

 

I wish that I had not missed that!

[cp176]

I wasn't on the board much then. Wow.

 

I wish that I had not missed that!

 

Fred is a baseball guy all the way. If Victorino can stay on the field we will all love him. Can he stay healthy?

[Spudboy]

Hard to imagine someone that has his talent not being able help somehow. Your posts are refreshingly non-negative even in disagreement. I have learned a great deal from just reading posts. Negative comments directed toward front office personnel or actually players is much easier for me to live with then when they are directed at posters no matter what they have to say. They are entitled to their opinions. Couple of vampires on the board who only appear when they have the opportunity to attack others. They actually have on occasion something interesting to say - worth reading for sure. It would be much more interesting without the nastiness which gets attached often like a little addendum. So - keep bringing those solid posts.

 

Yup. I was new to message boards when I came here in 2009 and was alarmed at the immature behavior. It's part of the game here on talksox and from what I have seen elsewhere on the net too.

[Spudboy]

Fred is a baseball guy all the way. If Victorino can stay on the field we will all love him. Can he stay healthy?

 

I certainly don't know. But given his age, his recent injury history, and that his game is based on speed, my guess is that he won't be able to stay healthy.

 

If he is healthy I see him taking away playing time from Betts which is too bad.

 

We'll see.

[a700hitter]

Yup. I was new to message boards when I came here in 2009 and was alarmed at the immature behavior. It's part of the game here on talksox and from what I have seen elsewhere on the net too.

Kimmi is a good addition demonstrating that you can disagree without being disagreeable or snarky.

[cp176]

Kimmi is a good addition demonstrating that you can disagree without being disagreeable or snarky.

 

Absolutely -

[cp176]

I certainly don't know. But given his age, his recent injury history, and that his game is based on speed, my guess is that he won't be able to stay healthy.

 

If he is healthy I see him taking away playing time from Betts which is too bad.

 

We'll see.

 

If Vic stays healthy, any number of things can happen. We know very little about Castillo and the signing of Ramirez raises eyebrows. He has played in 100 plus games once in the last 5 years. At one point in time he displayed good power. Does he still have it. Can he even play left field with any competency? We would like to think so but really don't know. I am not a big

Hanley Ramirez guy but he doesn't need fans. If you just listen to him he will tell you how good he is. He has on many occasions. I think that Mookie stands a chance to play a great deal with that much uncertainty out there.

[seabeachfred]

No, not in my opinion Fred. I get as excited about our youngsters as anyone, but I am not one to annoint someone the next best thing based on small sample sizes. I was wondering if you were insisting that he be on the roster to open 2013, rather than being sent down.

 

I was talking about 2014, not 2013. I had no idea how good Bradley was at the beginning of that season. The truth is I did believe he would be able to hold the job when we lost Ellsbury to the Yankees but changed my mind radically when I saw how bad he looked in ST in 2014. He was utterly pathetic and it was then I soured on him. It is important to keep facts straight, something someone on this board has trouble doing visa via Victorino.

[seabeachfred]

That was the height of Fred's anti-Victorino madness. I'm willing to bet his house that he wanted JBJ around.

 

Read the post I sent to Kimmi and you'll know fully well what I thought of Bradley before ST 2014 and after that ST. As far as my anti-Victorino madness, please stop the nonsense will you. My take on Shane was that when we signed him I thought it a big mistake considering how poorly he played in 2012 for the Phillies and Dodgers. It took me less than a week to see my mistake when the 2013 got underway because I became one of his biggest fans. At least be open minded and know the full picture before you go running off with your assertions.

Edited January 20, 2015 by seabeachfred

[seabeachfred]

http://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/16254-Why-not-keep-Ellsbury-and-Bradley-together-for-years-to-come/page6

 

Fred calls JBJ the real deal here. I'll give him credit that he thought a JBJ/Ells/Vic outfield would be great defensively and for wanting Gomes to get at bats.

 

I had no gripe against Bradley before the 2013 season---it was the 2014 ST season that soured me on him. Repeat....Spring Training 2014. He was very bad that March and looked lost at the plate. As for 2013, I felt we might be able to carry Bradley if Gomes got his licks against LH pitchers, and as you observed I had come full circle on Victorino. In fact Bradley did impress me in ST 2013 even if before that I knew little about him save for the fact that he had hit pretty well in "A" and Double "A" ball.. Glad you got that cleared up.

Edited January 20, 2015 by seabeachfred

[a700hitter]

Read the post I sent to Kimmi and you'll know fully well what I thought of Bradley before ST 2014 and after that ST. As far as my anti-Victorino madness, please stop the ******** will you. My take on Shane was that when we signed him I thought it a big mistake considering how poorly he played in 2012 for the Phillies and Dodgers. It took me less than a week to see my mistake when the 2013 got underway because I became one of his biggest fans. At least be open minded and know the full picture before you go running off with your assertions.

I am sure that you were concerned about his injury history as was I. Anyone who says he wasn't concerned about his injury history when we signed him was either lying or just plain stupid. The injury concerns were well-founded, but when the guy is healthy, he is a catalyst. Hopefully, he will play 130 + games in 2015.

[seabeachfred]

Bradley said he doesn't study tape. He said he relies on his hands and his eyes to read the pitch and hit. He said it before a Sox Yankee game last yr. That is foolish

 

And the results spoke for themselves. Look we have better outfielders now and we can bypass Bradley. If Castillo is all the Sox brass believe he is, and I'm pretty sure Mookie is, we don't need Bradley. My take is to try and trade him while he might still have some value and doesn't waste away until he has no value at all. Remember Lars Anderson? Remember Ryan Kalish? Sometimes it is better to cut bait while we might get something of value for him. Save a rash of injuries Jackie has no chance of making the team save for a fifth outfielder----and we don't have room for five OF on the team the last time I checked.

[seabeachfred]

I wasn't on the board much then. Wow.

 

I wish that I had not missed that!

 

He backtracked on Bradley circa 2013, and you missed nothing because it was a pile of crap. By the time the 2013 season started I was one of Victorino's biggest fans and it stayed that way and is still that way. Again you missed nothing.

[a700hitter]

Kimmi and some of the newcomers need to understand how things work around here. If you ever question an acquisition or express doubt about a player's ability, some people here don't think that you should be allowed to change your mind about the player based on his performance. The same thing goes for players who you think are good but who disappoint in their performance. You can't point out that they are mistakes by the FO. Ya see if we have the same wrong evaluation of a player that the FO has, it can't possibly be considered to be a bad move by the FO. I guess that it is based on the 2 wrongs make a right theory. When the FO cuts those guys or trades them for a bag of balls they are acknowledging their own mistakes, but we are forbidden to post anything about it. Childish? Yes, but there is that element on this board. Don't let it deter to you.

[seabeachfred]

Kimmi and some of the newcomers need to understand how things work around here. If you ever question an acquisition or express doubt about a player's ability, some people here don't think that you should be allowed to change your mind about the player based on his performance. The same thing goes for players who you think are good but who disappoint in their performance. You can't point out that they are mistakes by the FO. Ya see if we have the same wrong evaluation of a player that the FO has, it can't possibly be considered to be a bad move by the FO. I guess that it is based on the 2 wrongs make a right theory. When the FO cuts those guys or trades them for a bag of balls they are acknowledging their own mistakes, but we are forbidden to post anything about it. Childish? Yes, but there is that element on this board. Don't let it deter to you.

 

Fortunately Ted, that only applies to a few of our colleagues at the moment. Some of the other pains in the asses have left the board and hopefully will find enjoyment elsewhere.

[User Name]

Kimmi and the new ones here should also understand that a couple of posters here think they have carte blanche to s*** on everyone (fo, players, other posters) but not be called out on their crap. Just sayin'.

[Palodios]

It seems crazy to me individuals can agree with the FO's moves at the time, and then years later bash those same moves, despite hailing them at the time. It's like some of us assume the FO has a crystal ball and is a failure for not seeing into the future.

[User Name]

I get your frustration Pal. Some people should just choose a position and stick to it.

[a700hitter]

It seems crazy to me individuals can agree with the FO's moves at the time, and then years later bash those same moves, despite hailing them at the time. It's like some of us assume the FO has a crystal ball and is a failure for not seeing into the future.

No one expects them to have a crystal ball and no one expects them to be perfect, but that doesn't mean that the mistakes get wiped off the ledger. We are just a bunch of fans without inside knowledge, expertise or a professional coaching staff. All of us drink the FO Kool Aid to a degree, because we rely on what they say about a player as they are the professionals, the experts, the scouts. Most of the time we base our opinions on what the professionals say about a player. When they are wrong, they are responsible, not the fans. They are trained to know better than us. If you want to give them a pass, that is fine, but we all have right to give our opinion of their moves, and that correctness or accuracy of that opinion rests on the track record of the players and the team. It has nothing to do with prior opinions.

 

Edit: I could somewhat see your point, if the poster didn't also acknowledge that he/she was wrong too, but whether or not the poster acknowledges the mistaken opinion, it doesn't change whether the move was good or bad. The results speak for themselves and the FO makes the big bucks to be responsible for the moves.

Edited January 20, 2015 by a700hitter

[mvp 78]

I get your frustration Pal. Some people should just choose a position and stick to it.

 

I'm just frustrated with all of these vampires running around here. It's like shoo shoo get outta here!

[mvp 78]

I had no gripe against Bradley before the 2013 season---it was the 2014 ST season that soured me on him. Repeat....Spring Training 2014. He was very bad that March and looked lost at the plate. As for 2013, I felt we might be able to carry Bradley if Gomes got his licks against LH pitchers, and as you observed I had come full circle on Victorino. In fact Bradley did impress me in ST 2013 even if before that I knew little about him save for the fact that he had hit pretty well in "A" and Double "A" ball.. Glad you got that cleared up.

I think we're kinda in the sane boat here. They just had to give him a shot in 2013. They let him ride for a long time in 2014, but it didn't work out. I'm holding out hope for him this year, but he needs to prove himself in AAA first.

[cp176]

I'm just frustrated with all of these vampires running around here. It's like shoo shoo get outta here!

 

A litte garlic on the door or maybe sharpen up those fangs. Whatever works for you.

[Kimmi]

Hard to imagine someone that has his talent not being able help somehow. Your posts are refreshingly non-negative even in disagreement. I have learned a great deal from just reading posts. Negative comments directed toward front office personnel or actually players is much easier for me to live with then when they are directed at posters no matter what they have to say. They are entitled to their opinions. Couple of vampires on the board who only appear when they have the opportunity to attack others. They actually have on occasion something interesting to say - worth reading for sure. It would be much more interesting without the nastiness which gets attached often like a little addendum. So - keep bringing those solid posts.

 

 

Thanks cp. I know that these discussions can get heated sometimes. I have to warn you, I'm not above throwing out the occasional snarky comment myself. I do try to keep it civil though. I find that most people will respond to you in the manner in which you respond to them.

[cp176]

Thanks cp. I know that these discussions can get heated sometimes. I have to warn you, I'm not above throwing out the occasional snarky comment myself. I do try to keep it civil though. I find that most people will respond to you in the manner in which you respond to them.

That's how it goes in life don't you think Kimmi? You probably will get treated just like you treat others. I said it before but I really don't care what people say about the team itself, coaching staff, or ownership. We all have opinions and are free to express them. Been and experience so far for me. The little games, subtle sarcasm, and nastiness only comes from just a few posters. I suppose you would get that on any discussion board.

[Kimmi]

Kimmi and some of the newcomers need to understand how things work around here. If you ever question an acquisition or express doubt about a player's ability, some people here don't think that you should be allowed to change your mind about the player based on his performance. The same thing goes for players who you think are good but who disappoint in their performance. You can't point out that they are mistakes by the FO. Ya see if we have the same wrong evaluation of a player that the FO has, it can't possibly be considered to be a bad move by the FO. I guess that it is based on the 2 wrongs make a right theory. When the FO cuts those guys or trades them for a bag of balls they are acknowledging their own mistakes, but we are forbidden to post anything about it. Childish? Yes, but there is that element on this board. Don't let it deter to you.

 

 

I tend to be very optimistic and very supportive of the FO and the team in general. It's not that I don't think the FO makes mistakes - they do. However, I can usually see the rationale behind what they've done, even if I don't agree with it. And no matter how much I think I know about baseball, I know that I don't know as much as those running the show. So, I will usually give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

I don't have a problem with anyone criticizing the FO or any of our players. However, I do think there is a difference between rational criticism and straight out mindless bashing. Not that I'm saying anyone here does that.

[Kimmi]

Kimmi and the new ones here should also understand that a couple of posters here think they have carte blanche to s*** on everyone (fo, players, other posters) but not be called out on their crap. Just sayin'.

 

 

Well, if people post crap, they must be called on it. No argument there.

[seabeachfred]

I think we're kinda in the sane boat here. They just had to give him a shot in 2013. They let him ride for a long time in 2014, but it didn't work out. I'm holding out hope for him this year, but he needs to prove himself in AAA first.

 

You know, I think I and others here would be better served if we could just shitcan 2014 and stop droning on and on about it because it seems to make us all angry and unhappy. I would like to think the cobwebs have been breached and it is now pretty full speed ahead to a recovering 2015, and this ought to shake the hell out of you and others. Know what I would be satisfied with this season? The AL East Division Title. I could live with that because it would certainly be a big step up from 2014. Of course, getting into the WS would be better but I think we would need to improve our starting rotation to do that and perhaps the front office is working on that right now while finding a way to tell all teams that Betts and Swihart are not part of any deal.

 

That to much to ask for my friend?

[seabeachfred]

Thanks cp. I know that these discussions can get heated sometimes. I have to warn you, I'm not above throwing out the occasional snarky comment myself. I do try to keep it civil though. I find that most people will respond to you in the manner in which you respond to them.

 

Kimmi, you and I traded barbs back on Sawxheads but I never found you to be nasty or vindictive. So don't go there. You're a good poster and a terrific teacher tutoring some lunkhead how to get an avatar next to his name.

[seabeachfred]

Well, if people post crap, they must be called on it. No argument there.

 

Also beware of the know-it-alls who when wrong either refuse to fess up to it or disappear in hopes people forget their blunders. We have all types here but y ou should get along with pretty much everyone.