Replacing Lost WAR in 2014.

[User Name]

This is way over the line man.

 

+1.

[Palodios]

More ******** from VA Fan. How about I rip off your head and piss all over you. LOL

 

Uncalled for. No one talks to VA like that around here.

[marklmw]

The BSR component used by FG doesn't pertain only to SB's, but rather to baserunning efficiency in general. You only asked about stolen bases, and i gave you the correct answer. Also, Trout had a 3.3 overall FG DWAR while Cabrera had a -14.8 mark, so i don't know where you got that -.8.

 

I don't know if you're using BB-Ref's formula, for which the BSR component is a bit more SB-reliant, but still, the main reasons Trout had such a big WAR advantage are clearly both defense and baserunning.

Got ya

[marklmw]

This is way over the line man.

 

Keep out of it Bellhorn ... what VA starts VA can finish.

[marklmw]

Uncalled for. No one talks to VA like that around here.

 

Just as I said to Bellhorn ... what VA Starts VA can finish. And make no mistake about it .. VA started this. Respect yields respect and this is all about respect and nothing more.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

f*** off Mark, you dipshit.

[mvp 78]

Heh.

[Hoplite]

More ******** from VA Fan. How about I rip off your head and piss all over you. LOL

 

Yeah, I don't think this forum's for me...

[seabeachfred]

Keep out of it Bellhorn ... what VA starts VA can finish.

 

Mark, with all due respect that was out of line what you said to VA. I've had some differences with here the past few years but she is a good fan and decent person. I would suggest you apologize and move on. She deserves a lot better than what you said.

 

On another point this WAR stuff is important but we miss the psychological part of the game when we take about Ellsbury. The guy just screws with the minds of pitchers and infield alignments every time he gets on base. You cannot put a WAR or any other baseball marker on that. We would lose a valuable weapon if we let him get away. Yes, there is a risk of his getting hurt again but, face it, he did play hurt the last part of this past season. For a free agent big contract? Perhaps, but we know with the security of a new contract he wouldn't necessarily be worrying about staying on the bench because of hangnail. I think we have to consider this very seriously before we allow him to walk.

[marklmw]

f*** off Mark, you dipshit.

 

Who started this? Answer that.

Edited December 1, 2013 by marklmw

[marklmw]

Mark, with all due respect that was out of line what you said to VA. I've had some differences with here the past few years but she is a good fan and decent person. I would suggest you apologize and move on. She deserves a lot better than what you said.

 

On another point this WAR stuff is important but we miss the psychological part of the game when we take about Ellsbury. The guy just screws with the minds of pitchers and infield alignments every time he gets on base. You cannot put a WAR or any other baseball marker on that. We would lose a valuable weapon if we let him get away. Yes, there is a risk of his getting hurt again but, face it, he did play hurt the last part of this past season. For a free agent big contract? Perhaps, but we know with the security of a new contract he wouldn't necessarily be worrying about staying on the bench because of hangnail. I think we have to consider this very seriously before we allow him to walk.

 

Fred ... you too huh ... as I said before what VA starts VA can finish. When I get her apology she will get mine. To be honest I am surprised to learn that a female started this rubbish. If I knew it was a female who started this I would have ignored her. I thought it was just another guy saying guy stuff.

Edited December 1, 2013 by marklmw

[mvp 78]

Fred ... you too huh ... as I said before what VA starts VA can finish. When I get her apology she will get mine. To be honest I am surprised to learn that a female started this rubbish. If I knew it was a female who started this I would have ignored her. I thought it was just another guy saying guy stuff.

You seem like a pretty horrible person, or someone who at the very least needs a nap.

[marklmw]

You seem like a pretty horrible person, or someone who at the very least needs a nap.

 

OK MVP ... jump on in. VA called me a douche bag for playing around with Fred with the Napoli to Colorado rumor ... as I said if I had known she was a female I would have ignored her ... I thought it was a guy because women I know do not speak this way ... so I was just giving it back ... you know guy to guy ... if that is horrible then you probably never played on a sports team which is probably the case. Time for my nap. Adios.

[seabeachfred]

Fred ... you too huh ... as I said before what VA starts VA can finish. When I get her apology she will get mine. To be honest I am surprised to learn that a female started this rubbish. If I knew it was a female who started this I would have ignored her. I thought it was just another guy saying guy stuff.

 

I didn't say you had to do it Mark; that's up to you. I SUGGESTED you do it. You make to make that call, but I can tell you this. I feel a helluva lot better when I can talk baseball on this board and not get into pissing contests with some of my colleagues here. Hell, I'm pretty emotional and have an Italian temper but I n ever feel good when I get into arguments and get into personal attacks with people. It bothers me no end. You think it over. I only sent you a missive because I like and respect you and also that despite what one or two people on this board may think, I want friendship and unity around here. Anyway, we'll get back to baseball now.

[User Name]

I think you mean "besides of what most of the board may think" and otherwise, what you say makes sense.

 

Back to the topic at hand:

 

The Red Sox were 23rd in baseball in WAR at 3B with a 0.0 (replacement level, ewwww) mark. If WMB can reach the projected 2.5 mark he has for 2014, a healthy season from Dustin Pedroia may be all the Red Sox need to recover most of the offensive WAR lost from the departures of Drew and Ellsbury, assuming Napoli comes back.

[marklmw]

I think you mean "besides of what most of the board may think" and otherwise, what you say makes sense.

 

Back to the topic at hand:

 

The Red Sox were 23rd in baseball in WAR at 3B with a 0.0 (replacement level, ewwww) mark. If WMB can reach the projected 2.5 mark he has for 2014, a healthy season from Dustin Pedroia may be all the Red Sox need to recover most of the offensive WAR lost from the departures of Drew and Ellsbury, assuming Napoli comes back.

 

UN ... I can see a lot of area's where we can pick up some WAR ... It just seems that if we keep Ellsbury that he can be good insurance and along with Pedey and Lester he can help with our overall transition from an older to younger club.

[marklmw]

Sox Edited December 3, 2013 by marklmw

[User Name]

We disagree on the idea that Ellsbury can replicate his 2011/2013 seasons. I think a WAR in the mid-4 is the most you can expect out of him, and with full playing time JBJ should approach/surpass the 3 mark based on plate discipline and defense alone.

[BornToRun]

Who started this? Answer that.

 

Edit: epic burn deleted due to not seeing apology before posting of said epic burn.

[Emmz]

The Sox will be fine. If they lose a few more games and, gulp, miss the postseason, it's probably just because they came down to earth a little bit. They should just stay the course they were on and build the farm for sustained success, and stay away from big name free agents.

[User Name]

So you're saying you think signing Cano to an 8-year, 225-million deal would be a bad idea? I am shocked and appalled. Shocked and appalled, i tell you!

[BornToRun]

The Sox will be fine. If they lose a few more games and, gulp, miss the postseason, it's probably just because they came down to earth a little bit. They should just stay the course they were on and build the farm for sustained success, and stay away from big name free agents.

 

Agreed. Stay the course and don't do anything stupid.

[Emmz]

So you're saying you think signing Cano to an 8-year, 225-million deal would be a bad idea? I am shocked and appalled. Shocked and appalled, i tell you!

 

No, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that if there's a 30+ year old power hitter, you should definitely sign him until he's 40 to make 30M/yr.

[User Name]

No, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that if there's a 30+ year old power hitter, you should definitely sign him until he's 40 to make 30M/yr.

 

That's more like it. You know what it takes to succeed in MLB.

[seabeachfred]

A note to VA before a turn in for the night. I am sorry for saying the things I said to you. I had no idea that you were a woman and I was just giving you crap because I thought you were a guy. I am sorry for that. I hope that you will accept my apology.

 

Glad you did that Mark. It will bring more harmony to this board. Notice even User thought I made sense even with that little dig he threw in there. Still, we don't need flamage and hard feelings here. We'll get some of that when we agree or disagree on who we should have ( like my boy Napoli), but we need to keep personalities out of it. Besides, things are going to heat up on the front burner pretty soon and that should keep all of us very busy weighing the pros and cons of each move. Good for you Mark.

Edited December 2, 2013 by seabeachfred

[User Name]

I'm sorry. I can't help myself.

[marklmw]

Glad you did that Mark. It will bring more harmony to this board. Notice even User thought I made sense even with that little dig he threw in there. Still, we don't need flamage and hard feelings here. We'll get some of that when we agree or disagree on who we should have ( like my boy Napoli), but we need to keep personalities out of it. Besides, things are going to heat up on the front burner pretty soon and that should keep all of busy very busy weighing the pros and cons of each move. Good for you Mark.

 

Thanks for saying so Fred ... the whole Napoli rumor I posted was directed towards you to begin with. I guess at the end of the day most all players are expendable. don't worry about UN ... he is a good guy and he makes a lot of sense most of the time.

[SoxSport]

The Sox will be fine. If they lose a few more games and, gulp, miss the postseason, it's probably just because they came down to earth a little bit. They should just stay the course they were on and build the farm for sustained success, and stay away from big name free agents.

 

agreed. Except I'd like to see Nap back.

[Orange Juiced]

Salty (2.9) --> Pierzynski (1.6) = -1.3

Napoli (4.1) --> Hart (2.0 in 2012) = -2.1

Ellsbury (5.8) --> Bradley Jr. (too few plate appearances to gauge) = a net loss, one way or another

Drew (3.1) --> Bogaerts (too few plate appearances to gauge) = a probable net loss for 2014, but a big gain eventually

Victorino (6.2) = almost certainly will go down

Ortiz (4.4) = probably will go down

Uehara (2.4) = probably will go down (he can't have a second consecutive historically great season, can he?)

 

However, some places to improve:

 

- 3b, with Middlebrooks playing the entire season

- 2b, as Pedroia plays healthy

- maybe the rotation, if Buchholz stays healthy

 

On the whole, I see the Sox losing about 6 WAR. They should still be good enough to be competitive in the AL East and in the playoff hunt, while still being set up for a long run of greatness starting in 2015.

 

I'm ok with this.

[marklmw]

Salty (2.9) --> Pierzynski (1.6) = -1.3

Napoli (4.1) --> Hart (2.0 in 2012) = -2.1

Ellsbury (5.8) --> Bradley Jr. (too few plate appearances to gauge) = a net loss, one way or another

Drew (3.1) --> Bogaerts (too few plate appearances to gauge) = a probable net loss for 2014, but a big gain eventually

Victorino (6.2) = almost certainly will go down

Ortiz (4.4) = probably will go down

Uehara (2.4) = probably will go down (he can't have a second consecutive historically great season, can he?)

 

However, some places to improve:

 

- 3b, with Middlebrooks playing the entire season

- 2b, as Pedroia plays healthy

- maybe the rotation, if Buchholz stays healthy

 

On the whole, I see the Sox losing about 6 WAR. They should still be good enough to be competitive in the AL East and in the playoff hunt, while still being set up for a long run of greatness starting in 2015.

 

I'm ok with this.

 

Hart if healthy can match or exceed Napoli's numbers. Bogaerts will exceed Drews WAR.