2013 Yankee Hot Stove Thread

[a700hitter]

Here's an idea for the Yankees to help solve their logjam in the outfield with Gardner, Ellsbury, Beltran, Ichiro and Soriano. With Cano gone, put Soriano back at his original position-- second base. LOL! Soriano at second and Old Man River at SS. What an infield that would be!!

[Palodios]

Yes, and managers don't get excuses for not winning when they are expected to win. They just get fired. No one would have blamed Farrell if the 2013 Sox had 85 wins. His team was not expected to win, but if he pulled a Dale Sveum, he'd get one more year before he would get fired whether or not the team sucked. Girardi's team was expected to win. It didn't.

 

Girardi managed a team in 2013 who couldn't afford 2.25 million on Scherholtz, and then management went out and spent big money on Wells and Soriano. For the first time in my lifetime, Yankee ownership got cheap. That's now how they win, or how they get fans in their stadium.

[Divinity]

Here's an idea for the Yankees to help solve their logjam in the outfield with Gardner, Ellsbury, Beltran, Ichiro and Soriano. With Cano gone, put Soriano back at his original position-- second base. LOL! Soriano at second and Old Man River at SS. What an infield that would be!!

 

Pretty sure Soriano will be the DH

[Hoplite]

Have to give the Yankees credit for their innovative five man platoon at the DH position. Maybe in 10 years they'll make a movie about it with Brad Pitt.

[Hoplite]

Don't underestimate the pricks. Also, I think Girardi is actually a pretty good manager.

 

Girardi's such a good manager that Cano said he didn't want to play for him.

[Bellhorn04]

Girardi's such a good manager that Cano said he didn't want to play for him.

 

Yeah, that's what an anonymous source said, so it must be true. And I'm sure if the Yankees had offered to match the 240 million he would have said 'not unless you fire Girardi.'

[a700hitter]

Yeah, that's what an anonymous source said, so it must be true. And I'm sure if the Yankees had offered to match the 240 million he would have said 'not unless you fire Girardi.'

I don't think he is well-liked by the players.

[a700hitter]

I am starting to wonder what is going on with ARod's appeal of his suspension. It is only about 2 weeks until Christmas and there is still no disposition of theis case. The way this has been dragging on must be making the execs at MLB uncomfortable. It is possible that this is taking so long because ARod has some leverage. If this case is decided at the beginning of next year, ARod will have an opportunity to appeal to a court. During the appeal, his attorneys are likely to ask for injunctive relief allowing him to play and get paid during the appeal. This would be very disruptive to the Yankee roster and payroll. I love that this case is dragging out.

[jacksonianmarch]

I was a hater of Girardi until this last season. The 2013 Yankees that took the field sucked. And they managed to win 85 games by some miracle. He pushed all the right buttons and still managed to leave them respectable in the division. That's hard to do. I think he can finally have the team how he wants next yr with a bunch of guys who are known for being team first players, assuming f***Roid is suspended

[pinstripezac]

I This would be very disruptive to the Yankee roster and payroll. I love that this case is dragging out.

 

 

 

I'm not usually a conspiracy guy

but I think this is taking so long to calm the other owners

from complaining to much about what a break nyy are getting if arod does get the 211

 

as far as the players not liking little joe

I think that was true his 1st yr following a popular big joe and having some new rules

which is normal, since then joe has change some of his ways and I don't think their is a problem

 

as far as cano goes if those reports were true

besides the batting order it's not to hard to imagine cano got some heat for is lackadaisical play at times

[jete02fan]

Here's an idea for the Yankees to help solve their logjam in the outfield with Gardner, Ellsbury, Beltran, Ichiro and Soriano. With Cano gone, put Soriano back at his original position-- second base. LOL! Soriano at second and Old Man River at SS. What an infield that would be!!

LOL....his IF days are gone!!...hasn't played since his arrival in Chi-town...played one game apiece at 2B and 3B...i'm thinking those must have been emergencies :-)

[seabeachfred]

Girardi managed a team in 2013 who couldn't afford 2.25 million on Scherholtz, and then management went out and spent big money on Wells and Soriano. For the first time in my lifetime, Yankee ownership got cheap. That's now how they win, or how they get fans in their stadium.

 

Pal, they might have gotten cheap because before the season they didn't think the Red Sox were going to be worth s***. By the time they made the play for Soriano they saw that the Red Sox were a definite threat to win the division and perhaps go deep in the Playoffs. I'm beginning to believe that though me and few others can be paranoid about those MFY it is becoming clearer to me that their front office might be paranoid about the Red Sox. Just look at their actions since we won the World Series this year.

[redsoxrules]

I am starting to wonder what is going on with ARod's appeal of his suspension. It is only about 2 weeks until Christmas and there is still no disposition of theis case. The way this has been dragging on must be making the execs at MLB uncomfortable. It is possible that this is taking so long because ARod has some leverage. If this case is decided at the beginning of next year, ARod will have an opportunity to appeal to a court. During the appeal, his attorneys are likely to ask for injunctive relief allowing him to play and get paid during the appeal. This would be very disruptive to the Yankee roster and payroll. I love that this case is dragging out.

 

Even before the investigation started it's been said that it won't be resolved before the New Year and even maybe unil Feb.

[a700hitter]

Even before the investigation started it's been said that it won't be resolved before the New Year and even maybe unil Feb.

This is an appeal, not an investigation. I remember reading that the appeal would go into the offseason, but I don't recall reading that the administrative appeal would be dragged out until February.

[Palodios]

The Yankees going hard after Masterson. And we thought he had problems against lefties before !

[pinstripezac]

MLB Network Radio @MLBNetworkRadio 2m .RT

@Buster_ESPN: Source: There are no legs to the Yankees-Masterson trade talk.

[seabeachfred]

MLB Network Radio @MLBNetworkRadio 2m .RT

@Buster_ESPN: Source: There are no legs to the Yankees-Masterson trade talk.

 

And who the hell have the Yankees got down on the farm or on their roster that would satisfy the Guardians anyway. Short of a salary dump such a trade makes no sense for the Guardians....it does for the Yankees and if it goes down Francona's Force will be known as Francona's Fleeced Force.

[pinstripezac]

And who the hell have the Yankees got down on the farm or on their roster that would satisfy the Guardians anyway. Short of a salary dump such a trade makes no sense for the Guardians....it does for the Yankees and if it goes down Francona's Force will be known as Francona's Fleeced Force.

 

I agree it doesn't make sense 4 clev

 

but I could see a 3 team deal that included gardner and some lower level kids getting it done if clev actually wanted to trade him

[iortiz]

Yankees Turned Down Gardner-For-Phillips Swap

[pinstripezac]

Yankees Turned Down Gardner-For-Phillips Swap

 

truth is they kinda need gardner

I mean it's not like ells has the best history when it comes 2 being able to play

so they need him as a CF back up but he is their best chip

[Palodios]

truth is they kinda need gardner

I mean it's not like ells has the best history when it comes 2 being able to play

so they need him as a CF back up but he is their best chip

 

If they were concerned with Ellsbury's health, it seems silly to pay him insane money, and have a guy waiting behind him if injured.

[seabeachfred]

truth is they kinda need gardner

I mean it's not like ells has the best history when it comes 2 being able to play

so they need him as a CF back up but he is their best chip

 

Pin---I like your three team trade idea. That could work in a trade with the Guardians, but there is something I don't get. Why are the Guardians dispensing with all their starting pitchers? They came close to going to the Playoffs this season. Now Jiminez is a free agent, Kazmir signed with some other team and now they are discussing trading Masterson? Are they deciding to rebuild now? If so, it looks like Francona might have picked the wrong team to sign in with because if they go that route you're looking at three to five years of wandering in the wilderness regions of the American League.

 

As for Gardner, he is their best trading chip and if they were afraid of Ellsbury turning up lame maybe they might have said no to him and signed Cano instead. You think?

[pinstripezac]

yeah fred I was just talking 'what if'

I agree I can't see clev trading him

 

if they were afraid of Ellsbury turning up lame maybe they might have said no to him and signed Cano instead. You think?

 

I'm not sure if I accept the conection

beside wanting/having a solid plan B isn't the same of being afraid

[pinstripezac]

If they were concerned with Ellsbury's health, it seems silly to pay him insane money, and have a guy waiting behind him if injured.

 

he wouldn't be playing behind him

he would be right next to him as part of one of the best OF

[jacksonianmarch]

There is no reason to deal Gardner unless we get pitching. Gardner is a 4WAR player who is a burner and plays elite defense. We don't need to get a guy like Phillips more than we need Gardy

[Palodios]

Seems like the top talent pitching market doesn't want to wait on Tanaka. Garza and Arroyo are both rumored to sign this week.

[marklmw]

Seems like the top talent pitching market doesn't want to wait on Tanaka. Garza and Arroyo are both rumored to sign this week.

Very nice ... what will the Yankees do with Garza?

[marklmw]

There is no reason to deal Gardner unless we get pitching. Gardner is a 4WAR player who is a burner and plays elite defense. We don't need to get a guy like Phillips more than we need Gardy

You guys kind-of messed up signing Ellsbury and letting Cano walk didn't you? Do you know what the final offer for Cano was?

[pinstripezac]

Scott Soshnick of Bloomberg.com spoke with some certified public beancounters and they determined that Cano’s deal ($240M/10 yrs) will be worth an extra $42M due to favorable income tax rates. Washington has no state income tax; New Jersey, where Cano lives lived has an income tax rate at 8.97%. To wit:

 

The Yankees would have had to pay Cano about $265 million for him to keep the same amount that he will with Seattle…

 

Cano’s net pay over the life of his Seattle contract is about $128 million… His net pay over the life of the Yankees offer, he said, would have been about $86 million.

http://itsaboutthemoney.net/archives/2013/12/10/canos-net-deal-with-ms-worth-42m-more-than-yanks-bid/#idc-container

[Divinity]

You guys kind-of messed up signing Ellsbury and letting Cano walk didn't you? Do you know what the final offer for Cano was?

 

Yanks final offer was 7/175, so it wasn't even close.

 

Scott Soshnick of Bloomberg.com spoke with some certified public beancounters and they determined that Cano’s deal ($240M/10 yrs) will be worth an extra $42M due to favorable income tax rates. Washington has no state income tax; New Jersey, where Cano lives lived has an income tax rate at 8.97%. To wit:

 

The Yankees would have had to pay Cano about $265 million for him to keep the same amount that he will with Seattle…

 

Jay-Z called the Yanks after receiving Seattle's offer and told them it would take $235 million to resign with NY.