2013 Yankee Hot Stove Thread

[Bellhorn04]

There's a report that the Yankees offer to Cano is 7 years, 168 million, which sounds right. It's also reported that the offer has a deadline. There are no rumblings at all about other teams being interested enough to try to outbid the Yankees.

[redsoxrules]

And Cano wants 310 Mil lol.

The Yankee's are playing this smart right now.

[marklmw]

There's a report that the Yankees offer to Cano is 7 years, 168 million, which sounds right. It's also reported that the offer has a deadline. There are no rumblings at all about other teams being interested enough to try to outbid the Yankees.

24M per year sounds about right ... about 10M more than Pedey ... I would take Pedey on my team over Cano all day long.

[marklmw]

They don't need Ellsbury. Ells is a top of the order kind of guy. They have one, granted Ells is an upgrade. They need power hitters. Last yrs power outage was f***ing epic. You bring in Beltran and move him to LF in YS, which is one of the toughest LF's to play in baseball due to its vast expanse of territory. Soriano has the arm for RF, but not the innate skills. In NY, it doesn't matter. Anything over his head is off the wall or gone. I'd assume we go with an OF of Beltran, Gardner, and Soriano. Keep Ichiro as the 4th OFer. Release Vernon Wells. We need another 2 infielders. One for 2b (be it Cano or someone else) and a 3b/ss.

 

Not needing a player has never stopped the Yankees from getting him in the past. They always try to get the top free agents on the market. After signing Cano and Ellsbury they will have signed the top 3 FA's in the 2013 class. Anyway, signing Ellsbury makes sense for the Yankees. Who knows what Jeter's status will be? A line-up of Ellsbury Gardner Cano will be very potent. Also Ellsbury and Gardner can switch back and forth between center and left which will save their legs throughout a 162 game season. In my mind Ellsbury will be in pinstripes next season. I will not fault the Sox for letting him go as JBJ will put up similar offensive numbers with the exception of SB's ... if SB's are important then the reality is there is no way of replacing Jacoby.

Edited November 28, 2013 by marklmw

[seabeachfred]

There's a report that the Yankees offer to Cano is 7 years, 168 million, which sounds right. It's also reported that the offer has a deadline. There are no rumblings at all about other teams being interested enough to try to outbid the Yankees.

 

That sounds about right to me too Bellhorn----seven years is about right at $24 million a year. However, I don't think it has a deadline as they say. I mean, remember the A-Fraud negotiations back in late 2007. They weren't going to deal with him at all and look at what they did. The Yanks will extend the deadline IMO. Cano is one player they cannot afford to lose.

[marklmw]

That sounds about right to me too Bellhorn----seven years is about right at $24 million a year. However, I don't think it has a deadline as they say. I mean, remember the A-Fraud negotiations back in late 2007. They weren't going to deal with him at all and look at what they did. The Yanks will extend the deadline IMO. Cano is one player they cannot afford to lose.

I think that Boston should step in and sign Cano ... 200M/8 25M per. We can play him at 1B ... or move Cano or Pedroia to 3B. Cano might not mind playing 1B. Imagine an infield of Cano, Pedoria, Bogaerts, WMB, Hanigan/Vasquez ... all together for the next 8 years.

Edited November 29, 2013 by marklmw

[User Name]

Cano doesn't make sense for the Sox. He loses a ton of value if he moves to 3B or 1B. Most of his value comes from the fact that he's a MIF that hits like a 1B.

[a700hitter]

I think that Boston should step in and sign Cano ... 200M/8 25M per. We can play him at 1B ... or move Cano or Pedroia to 3B. Cano might not mind playing 1B. Imagine an infield of Cano, Pedoria, Bogaerts, WMB, Hanigan/Vasquez ... all together for the next 8 years.

Cano would hit like a beast in Fenway batting in between Pedroia and Ortiz. That would be something to see. It would also kill Yankee fans, and I love that.

[Behindenemylines]

For most teams Cano would be an upgrade at 2B, but the $$$$ and years he is asking for eliminates most of those teams. $pankees know this and are allowing Cano to try to create his own market. I think they know he wants to stay and he will end up back with them. Ellsbury makes no cense for them because they already have Gardner in CF.

[Bellhorn04]

For most teams Cano would be an upgrade at 2B, but the $$$$ and years he is asking for eliminates most of those teams. $pankees know this and are allowing Cano to try to create his own market. I think they know he wants to stay and he will end up back with them. Ellsbury makes no cense for them because they already have Gardner in CF.

 

Not to mention that as of now their 2014 rotation consists of Sabathia and Nova and they have no closer.

[User Name]

Robertson will close. What they lack is a setup man with experience in front of him.

[marklmw]

Cano would hit like a beast in Fenway batting in between Pedroia and Ortiz. That would be something to see. It would also kill Yankee fans, and I love that.

 

Would that not be the best signing in the past 20 years or what? It would absolutely kill each and every Yankee fan.

[marklmw]

Cano doesn't make sense for the Sox. He loses a ton of value if he moves to 3B or 1B. Most of his value comes from the fact that he's a MIF that hits like a 1B.

 

Cano's offensive numbers are great no matter where he is playing ... 1B or 2B or RF ... Moving him to 1B keeps him fresh and should allow him to improve upon his existing offensive numbers. UN ... are you saying that Cano's oWAR would be significantly less if he was playing 1B? He will be an animal playing 1B in Fenway. You are also missing the big picture here ... this will KO the Yankees for the next 3-5 years.

[Bellhorn04]

Cano's offensive numbers are great no matter where he is playing ... 1B or 2B or RF ... Moving him to 1B keeps him fresh and should allow him to improve upon his existing offensive numbers. UN ... are you saying that Cano's oWAR would be significantly less if he was playing 1B? He will be an animal playing 1B in Fenway. You are also missing the big picture here ... this will KO the Yankees for the next 3-5 years.

 

Let's be realistic here. You don't make a colossal investment like that just to 'KO the Yankees'. They're probably not even the biggest threat the next 3 years. And let's not forget that at the end of the day they do have more money than us.

 

The best thing for us may be to let the Yankees have Cano and his $25 million a year cost.

[marklmw]

Let's be realistic here. You don't make a colossal investment like that just to 'KO the Yankees'. They're probably not even the biggest threat the next 3 years. And let's not forget that at the end of the day they do have more money than us.

 

The best thing for us may be to let the Yankees have Cano and his $25 million a year cost.

 

The Yankees are public enemy # 1. You have to identify the enemy to defeat the enemy. The Sox are in a position where we have a lot of talent moving up through the farm. These younger players cost very little. WMB, Bogaerts, JBJ, Barnes, Owens, Cecchini etc. We can easily afford Cano even more than the Yankees can as the Yankees have a lot of expensive contracts already ... ARod, Texeria, McCann, Sabathia etc. This move would be brilliant. I would do it if I were Ben. If the Yankees do not want to give Cano 200M let Boston do it. Cano is not a huge risk. Clubs buy disability insurance on contracts like this. There is one for 100M on AROd right now. This deal would not just hurt the Yankees it would make the Sox much better. You cannot deny this.

[User Name]

Cano's offensive numbers are great no matter where he is playing ... 1B or 2B or RF ... Moving him to 1B keeps him fresh and should allow him to improve upon his existing offensive numbers. UN ... are you saying that Cano's oWAR would be significantly less if he was playing 1B? He will be an animal playing 1B in Fenway. You are also missing the big picture here ... this will KO the Yankees for the next 3-5 years.

 

His WAR (not oWAR) would be significantly lower since there is a positional value component attached to it. And even if his numbers looked good, they just wouldn't be as good if he was playing 1B instead of 2B, and this is common sense mark.

 

And you're the one missing the bigger picture here. The Sox' job isn't to worry about a team that didn't even make the playoffs last year. Their job is to set up their roster for immediate and future success.

[User Name]

The Yankees are public enemy # 1. You have to identify the enemy to defeat the enemy. The Sox are in a position where we have a lot of talent moving up through the farm. These younger players cost very little. WMB, Bogaerts, JBJ, Barnes, Owens, Cecchini etc. We can easily afford Cano even more than the Yankees can as the Yankees have a lot of expensive contracts already ... ARod, Texeria, McCann, Sabathia etc. This move would be brilliant. I would do it if I were Ben. If the Yankees do not want to give Cano 200M let Boston do it. Cano is not a huge risk. Clubs buy disability insurance on contracts like this. There is one for 100M on AROd right now. This deal would not just hurt the Yankees it would make the Sox much better. You cannot deny this.

 

So because you can easily afford a stupid investment, you should do it?

[BSN07]

That contract is going to be an albatross half way through. No thanks. It would be funny at first however I do agree about that.

[marklmw]

So because you can easily afford a stupid investment, you should do it?

 

We differ because I do not think it would be a stupid investment. I realize that Cano's WAR is higher than it would be playing the 1B position and I am sure that the FO can make that adjustment. Cano is a natural hitter with a very BB/K ratio that can even get better. Cano is durable. The Sox have the money for a proven veteran.

[marklmw]

That contract is going to be an albatross half way through. No thanks. It would be funny at first however I do agree about that.

 

Come on ... coming off our 2013 championship it will be more than funny ... every Sox fan will have a good laugh at the expense of the Yankees.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

You care more about sticking it to the Yankees rather than getting Cano. If Cano played for any other team, you just might be smart enough to say no. Get the Cano fantasy out of your head, this isn't mlb the show. Get out of here with this nonsense, I'm tired of reading this ********.

[marklmw]

You care more about sticking it to the Yankees rather than getting Cano. If Cano played for any other team, you just might be smart enough to say no. Get the Cano fantasy out of your head, this isn't mlb the show. Get out of here with this nonsense, I'm tired of reading this ********.

 

You don't know squat ... over the past 6 seasons Cano has averaged about the same number of HR's as Ortiz. Wake up man ... Ortiz is not going to be around forever ... one more thing ... clean up your act.

[pinstripezac]

Come on ... coming off our 2013 championship it will be more than funny ... every Sox fan will have a good laugh at the expense of the Yankees.

 

damn if you guys sign cano

does that mean we are stuck with elsbury

sox get the better player but wouldn't be laughing

[User Name]

We differ because I do not think it would be a stupid investment. I realize that Cano's WAR is higher than it would be playing the 1B position and I am sure that the FO can make that adjustment. Cano is a natural hitter with a very BB/K ratio that can even get better. Cano is durable. The Sox have the money for a proven veteran.

 

They could get Ellsbury , Napoli and Drew for less than what the sum-total contract for Cano will be.

 

Also, there's enough precedent to safely conclude that Cano will not be living up to his salary the second half of his contract. You are making the assumption that Cano will hit as well as he does now in the latter part of his 30's. That spits in the face of logic. Cano's contract will be an albatross, just like essentially any other big-money contract given to a player exiting his prime. There's no arguing with father time.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

You don't know squat ... over the past 6 seasons Cano has averaged about the same number of HR's as Ortiz. Wake up man ... Ortiz is not going to be around forever ... one more thing ... clean up your act.

 

I don't know squat? How many people on this board agree with you putting Cano at 1B? Don't worry, I'll wait.

[marklmw]

I don't know squat? How many people on this board agree with you putting Cano at 1B? Don't worry, I'll wait.[/quote

 

Read for yourself. Most do not envision that the Sox could really pull it off. How about you ask everyone if Cano at 1B makes Boston a better or worse team? I'm waiting on your answer.

[a700hitter]

It is fun to think about Cano in a lineup with Pedroia and Ortiz. I don't know why that would get anyone angry. It is a pipe dream, but it is fun to think about.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I don't know squat? How many people on this board agree with you putting Cano at 1B? Don't worry, I'll wait.[/quote

 

Read for yourself. Most do not envision that the Sox could really pull it off. How about you ask everyone if Cano at 1B makes Boston a better or worse team? I'm waiting on your answer.

 

No s***, it makes the team better. That's not the issue. You keep throwing this idea out like it's realistic. Cano will not be in a Sox uniform, you want to make a sig and avatar bet?

[a700hitter]

We discussed getting King Felix for years. That wasn't realistic either and it didn't happen, but it was fun to think about.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

It is fun to think about Cano in a lineup with Pedroia and Ortiz. I don't know why that would get anyone angry. It is a pipe dream, but it is fun to think about.

 

Exactly, it's a pipe dream. Why do we constantly bring up something that won't happen? If we're going to have fun imagining players we'll never get, allow me to clutter threads with some nonsense. Lets get Miggy, Kershaw, Verlander, King Felix, etc!