2014 Roster Projections

[User Name]

Adding top tier talent through the draft is very inconsistent. If you're a big market and can get 5 good seasons out of a player in a 7 year deal sometimes that is good enough - especially if you don't have to lose prospects or picks to obtain them. For example If Beltran's last big deal was on the table right now, adding a middle of the order bat and very good glove for 5 of 7 years, it wouldn't be an immediate no -go for me- the AAv was half of arods at the time too.

 

Yeah but these types of deals for "top tier talent" only make sense if the player is in the middle of his prime, not about to exit it, as history has shown.

[seabeachfred]

Sorry, but complaining about missing the playoffs a few years IS bitching. They won the WS 3 times in a decade. Lighten up.

 

Well on the one hand those lean years were a pisser and there was a lot to be pissed off about and angry at the front office, FrancoMa and each other for this and that, BUT it is also certain that what the Red Sox accomplished this season should be more than enough to erase it. None of us saw this coming and to me they can crapcan 2009-2012 because in my opinion 2013 makes up for it. Hell, I was totally elated when we finally won an AL East Title this season. To go on and win the AL and the WS......s***, why even try to remember those other years. We have three titles in ten seasons and that's a damn good record. I'll take that in exchange for a few lean years anyday.

[Palodios]

Yeah but these types of deals for "top tier talent" only make sense if the player is in the middle of his prime, not about to exit it, as history has shown.

 

I'm not arguing for Cano... Just trying to make the case that not all long term deals are "wasted money". Most terrible contracts can be seen miles away... Those are the ones you need to avoid. Well, those and anything longer than 5 years.

[User Name]

I'm not arguing for Cano... Just trying to make the case that not all long term deals are "wasted money". Most terrible contracts can be seen miles away... Those are the ones you need to avoid. Well, those and anything longer than 5 years.

 

Then we're arguing about nothing, as i've already brought up the examples of Cabrera and Pujols as great long-term deals. Both were in-their-prime, elite sluggers, and both lived up (in Cabrera's case, he could miss most of the remainder of his contract and it would still be considered good) to their contracts. On the pitcher's side, it looks like Cliff Lee is going to live up to his contract.

[marklmw]

I'm not arguing for Cano... Just trying to make the case that not all long term deals are "wasted money". Most terrible contracts can be seen miles away... Those are the ones you need to avoid. Well, those and anything longer than 5 years.

 

Come on Palodios you had better start arguing for Cano .... you are an intelligent guy.

[Palodios]

Come on Palodios you had better start arguing for Cano .... you are an intelligent guy.

 

My expensive free agent of choice is Choo. Cano's 6 WAR a year is not worth 150 million more than Choo's 5 WAR a year.

[marklmw]

My expensive free agent of choice is Choo. Cano's 6 WAR a year is not worth 150 million more than Choo's 5 WAR a year.

 

How are you coming up with those numbers? ... Cano at 8 years and 200M ... Choo at 5 Years and 100M

 

BTW when you take a 6WAR from the Yankees and add a 6 WAR to Boston it created a variance of 12 WAR.

[User Name]

That's not how it works, since you have to account for the player Cano is replacing in Boston, and the player who will replace Cano on the Yankees.

[BornToRun]

Just stay out it and let New York overpay for him. We can laugh about this 4-5 years from now when he's OPS'ing .750 as a DH.

[mvp 78]

That's not how it works, since you have to account for the player Cano is replacing in Boston, and the player who will replace Cano on the Yankees.

 

Math!

[marklmw]

That's not how it works, since you have to account for the player Cano is replacing in Boston, and the player who will replace Cano on the Yankees.

And who exactly will replace Cano in NY? Similar to who will replace Napoli in Boston. I realize that there is not exactness to this as you have to factor in the players who replace the player we loose. No way is JBJ going to replace Jacoby's WAR ... even if JBJ has a WAR of 2 it still leaves a void. I think that Bogaerts and a WMB at 2012 performance level can make up 2-3 Wins ... anything is possible.

[SoxSport]

Well on the one hand those lean years were a pisser and there was a lot to be pissed off about and angry at the front office, FrancoMa and each other for this and that, BUT it is also certain that what the Red Sox accomplished this season should be more than enough to erase it. None of us saw this coming and to me they can crapcan 2009-2012 because in my opinion 2013 makes up for it. Hell, I was totally elated when we finally won an AL East Title this season. To go on and win the AL and the WS......s***, why even try to remember those other years. We have three titles in ten seasons and that's a damn good record. I'll take that in exchange for a few lean years anyday.

 

Yeah. It certainly takes the heat off having to win another for a few years. Totally unexpected in the organization. They figured they had to tread water and wait for the prospects to blossom. Now they have a lot more freedom to play the prospects and let them develop. Hopefully they won't fall into the free agent trap of spending to win again next year. Just try to keep the core chemistry--hopefully they've defined it.

 

The Yankees are in the opposite position of the Red Sox. As the media team from the biggest market, with all the networks based in NY, there is tremendous pressure on them this year to make the playoffs. They are out to spend, and they are desperately trying to get out of ARod's contract--and getting a lot of media help, in case you haven't noticed. Not to mention Selig, who is going along with it. The Yankees have a lot of media power, but they are in a tough position--in a tough division with a lot of aging overpriced players. It has caught up with them.

[Dojji]

How are you coming up with those numbers? ... Cano at 8 years and 200M ... Choo at 5 Years and 100M

 

BTW when you take a 6WAR from the Yankees and add a 6 WAR to Boston it created a variance of 12 WAR.

 

The Yankees aren't our only or even our principal rival for the division next year, I expect more trouble out of the Rays than the Yankees.

[marklmw]

The Yankees aren't our only or even our principal rival for the division next year, I expect more trouble out of the Rays than the Yankees.

 

You can never ever underestimate the Yankees ... their record for division titles speaks for itself. Last season Toronto was predicted by many to finish 1st. I hope Cano signs someplace other than NYY's as the best they may get to play 2nd base will have a WAR of 2 ... thats Minus 4 Wins ... 4 wins in the AL East can be the difference between 1st and 4th. It can also determine if you make the playoffs as a wild card team.

Edited November 30, 2013 by marklmw

[Dojji]

I' not underestimating the Yankees. I figure I have them estimated pretty well.

 

The Rays are the better team as things stand right now.

[marklmw]

I' not underestimating the Yankees. I figure I have them estimated pretty well.

 

The Rays are the better team as things stand right now.

 

Well I would not be happier if your estimations are correct. What if Tampa deals Price which they propably will ... would you feel the same?

[User Name]

You can never ever underestimate the Yankees ... their record for division titles speaks for itself. Last season Toronto was predicted by many to finish 1st. I hope Cano signs someplace other than NYY's as the best they may get to play 2nd base will have a WAR of 2 ... thats Minus 4 Wins ... 4 wins in the AL East can be the difference between 1st and 4th. It can also determine if you make the playoffs as a wild card team.

 

You are taking the WAR formula too literally. You can't just assume that losing 4 points of WAR automatically means 4 less wins in the team's overall record.

[marklmw]

You are taking the WAR formula too literally. You can't just assume that losing 4 points of WAR automatically means 4 less wins in the team's overall record.

I understand UN ... nothing is that simple ... and nothing is absolute especially since each player is a separate variable. This is all hypothetical ... even if there was not such thing as a WAR value basic common sense will tell you that losing Cano to another team will more than likely cost the Yankees a number of games throughout a 162 game season.

[seabeachfred]

Yeah. It certainly takes the heat off having to win another for a few years. Totally unexpected in the organization. They figured they had to tread water and wait for the prospects to blossom. Now they have a lot more freedom to play the prospects and let them develop. Hopefully they won't fall into the free agent trap of spending to win again next year. Just try to keep the core chemistry--hopefully they've defined it.

 

The Yankees are in the opposite position of the Red Sox. As the media team from the biggest market, with all the networks based in NY, there is tremendous pressure on them this year to make the playoffs. They are out to spend, and they are desperately trying to get out of ARod's contract--and getting a lot of media help, in case you haven't noticed. Not to mention Selig, who is going along with it. The Yankees have a lot of media power, but they are in a tough position--in a tough division with a lot of aging overpriced players. It has caught up with them.

 

And my friend the Red Sox front office and powers-that-be must know that and I think they will act on it. The Yankees are a poster boy for large contracts gone wrong but being in New York with all the media buffeters nipping at them like hungry crows they have no choice but to keep spending and getting themselves into more and more of those large contracts because the Yankees cannot rebuild. The press and fans won't let them, and, besides, their farm system is in critical condition right now. If we play our cards right we shouldn't have to go through a disappointing cycle as we did from 2009 to 2012 again. Good post Sox Sport.

[SeanJohn93]

On MLB Trade rumors.com

 

Rob Bradford of WEEI.com reports. The Red Sox haven't set deadlines for any of their free agents to accept offers, but a source tells Bradford that the Sox are "certainly working on other options, also." The Red Sox told at least one player that they would soon need to make plans to potentially acquire another player to take his place.

 

The section that I made bold I feel as though to be fairly significant. I am guessing that the player they are referring to is Saltalamachia and talking about Hanigan.

[SeanJohn93]

I also heard that the Rockies have a lot of interest in Justin Morneau. If they sign him, that is one less suitor for Napoli. Thus, he has less leverage at the negotiating table.

[Dojji]

On MLB Trade rumors.com

 

Rob Bradford of WEEI.com reports. The Red Sox haven't set deadlines for any of their free agents to accept offers, but a source tells Bradford that the Sox are "certainly working on other options, also." The Red Sox told at least one player that they would soon need to make plans to potentially acquire another player to take his place.

 

The section that I made bold I feel as though to be fairly significant. I am guessing that the player they are referring to is Saltalamachia and talking about Hanigan.

 

Just don't.

 

There is no particular reason why this is in reference to any of the particular free agents over any other.

[Palodios]

Just don't.

 

There is no particular reason why this is in reference to any of the particular free agents over any other.

 

If this is referring to anyone it is salty.

[User Name]

If the Red Sox trade John Lackey, the $500K option for 2015 does not transfer to the team dealing for him.

 

For those thinking Lackey might be traded.

[Bellhorn04]

For those thinking Lackey might be traded.

 

Where does that info come from UN?

[User Name]

Where does that info come from UN?

 

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/12/01/red-sox-hope-stick-offseason-plan-that-earned-championship/3dWoG3hmR0wwLuUTEdnidP/story.html

 

That's Cafardo's column for today. Item no. 6.

[User Name]

For the record, Lucchino once again confirms the team's newfound aversion to long-term FA contracts in that column.

[Bellhorn04]

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/12/01/red-sox-hope-stick-offseason-plan-that-earned-championship/3dWoG3hmR0wwLuUTEdnidP/story.html

 

That's Cafardo's column for today. Item no. 6.

 

It seems to say the option does transfer.

[User Name]

It seems to say the option does transfer.

 

You're correct, it's misquoted in MLBTR, where i initially pulled the quote from.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/12/cafardo-on.html

[Palodios]

Can't they just exercise it now and circumvent that problem ?