What is more important ... winning a game or hitting AROD?

[marklmw]

I agree. A National League contender that would only have to pay him $7-8 million would be happy with that. I think he would still be a pretty useful pitcher for someone. But I hope it's not for the Red Sox.

 

We can only hope ... maybe we can pick up a decent prospect in the deal ... Maybe KC will be interested.

[Bellhorn04]

This post is kind of misleading, don't you think? You're saying hitting A-Rod helped us lose the game at first, followed by "we can't prove that 'firing up' the Yankees help them win. You answered you're own question. You can't prove it, so why does this all fall on A-Rod? A more realistic and reliable point would be he only scored 2 runs. Which wouldn't have been enough to get the win anyways. Imo, this discussion isn't even worth a thread. It was a bonehead move, but it didn't cost the Sox the game.

 

If it's misleading, I didn't mean it to be. I do believe that the Yankees got fired up by the beaning and Girardi's ejection. I'm conceding the fact that nobody can prove that kind of thing.

 

But this is part of the lore of sports. You don't say things that can become clippings on the other team's bulletin board. You don't wake up the wrong guy. How many times have we heard stuff like this? Is it truth or mythology?

 

What about the A-Rod-Varitek fight in 2004? Do you think that had anything to do with us waking up as a team that year, or do you think it's ********?

[Bellhorn04]

A more realistic and reliable point would be he only scored 2 runs. Which wouldn't have been enough to get the win anyways. Imo, this discussion isn't even worth a thread. It was a bonehead move, but it didn't cost the Sox the game.

 

Well, if you want to break it down like this, A-Rod scored 2 runs and drove in 2. One of each was the home run, so he scored or drove in 3 runs. There's your margin of victory.

 

But there's more than that. In a baseball game a lot of what happens is interconnected. If you hypothetically change one thing a bunch of other things can change too. For example, managers make certain decisions based on the game score and situation. Farrell might use a different pitcher in a tie game than he would when we're behind by 2 runs. That type of thing.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

If it's misleading, I didn't mean it to be. I do believe that the Yankees got fired up by the beaning and Girardi's ejection. I'm conceding the fact that nobody can prove that kind of thing.

 

But this is part of the lore of sports. You don't say things that can become clippings on the other team's bulletin board. You don't wake up the wrong guy. How many times have we heard stuff like this? Is it truth or mythology?

 

What about the A-Rod-Varitek fight in 2004? Do you think that had anything to do with us waking up as a team that year, or do you think it's ********?

 

You just can't compare a playoff game to a regular season game. Same concept yes, but a much different atmosphere. There's more on the line in a Championship series than a regular season game. Especially when the Yankees are irrelevant in terms of the AL East right now. You're actually helping my point btw. We drilled A-Rod in game 6 of the 2004 ALCS, please tell me who won that game? Hint:It wasn't the Yankees.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Well, if you want to break it down like this, A-Rod scored 2 runs and drove in 2. One of each was the home run, so he scored or drove in 3 runs. There's your margin of victory.

 

But there's more than that. In a baseball game a lot of what happens is interconnected. If you hypothetically change one thing a bunch of other things can change too. For example, managers make certain decisions based on the game score and situation. Farrell might use a different pitcher in a tie game than he would when we're behind by 2 runs. That type of thing.

 

Well A-Rod wasn't the one who got the lead, it was Gardner. Farrell's decision to take out Dempster is completely irrelevant. He wasn't even on the field, again this game was not on hitting A-Rod. You said it yourself that you can't prove it, yet there's multiple posters saying that was the reason. There's very little consistency in the argument here.

[Bellhorn04]

You just can't compare a playoff game to a regular season game. Same concept yes, but a much different atmosphere. There's more on the line in a Championship series than a regular season game. Especially when the Yankees are irrelevant in terms of the AL East right now. You're actually helping my point btw. We drilled A-Rod in game 6 of the 2004 ALCS, please tell me who won that game? Hint:It wasn't the Yankees.

 

But I was asking about the regular season game in July, 2004. The famous picture of Tek giving A-Rod a facial. Bill Mueller's game winning home run off Rivera.

[Northern Star]

The famous picture of Tek giving A-Rod a facial.

 

er....would you care to rephrase that?

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

But I was asking about the regular season game in July, 2004. The famous picture of Tek giving A-Rod a facial. Bill Mueller's game winning home run off Rivera.

 

Forgive me, because I totally had a brain fart moment. How could I mistake the bloody sock game for the fight smh. Well I meant to say, we still won that game and we ended up winning the ALCS that year. So drilling A-Rod doesn't necessarily mean that's the reason we lost the game.

[Orange Juiced]

If it's misleading, I didn't mean it to be. I do believe that the Yankees got fired up by the beaning and Girardi's ejection. I'm conceding the fact that nobody can prove that kind of thing.

 

But this is part of the lore of sports. You don't say things that can become clippings on the other team's bulletin board. You don't wake up the wrong guy. How many times have we heard stuff like this? Is it truth or mythology?

 

What about the A-Rod-Varitek fight in 2004? Do you think that had anything to do with us waking up as a team that year, or do you think it's ********?

 

On July 24, the Sox won that aforementioned game 11-10. Did it spark them? Well, here's what happened over the next 10 games:

 

W vs. NY 9-6

W vs. Bal 12-5 (so far so good, right? big spark?)

L vs. Bal 4-1

W vs. Min 8-2 (3-1 so far...sweet)

L vs. Min 5-4

L vs. Min 4-3 (uh-oh....3-3)

W vs. TB 6-3

W vs. TB 5-2

L vs. TB 5-4

L vs. Det 4-3

 

So they had a winning percentage, after that 11-10 game, of .546. Then, in the 10 games that followed that brawl, they went 5-5. In other words, they played to a WORSE winning percentage than they had played up to that point in the season. And they did it against teams that had the following final W-L records:

 

NY: 101-61

Bal: 78-84

Min: 92-70

TB: 70-91

Det: 72-90

 

So just 4 of those 10 games were against teams with a winning record and they still went just 5-5.

 

So did that fight spark the Red Sox? If so, it was a delayed spark.

 

Conclusion: It is mythology.

[jung]

Well A-Rod wasn't the one who got the lead, it was Gardner. Farrell's decision to take out Dempster is completely irrelevant. He wasn't even on the field, again this game was not on hitting A-Rod. You said it yourself that you can't prove it, yet there's multiple posters saying that was the reason. There's very little consistency in the argument here.

 

Have it your way....Ignore the damn posters that say it cost the game. There is no way around the fact the it contributed to losing the game...NO WAY. There is also no way around the possibility that it could vitalize the Skanks making the Skanks tougher for us to play in the remaining games we have with them. There is no way around the fact that the media will peck away at the Sox team about this horse s*** which will be a distraction of sorts. There is no way around the fact that Dempster about managed the impossible in turning A-roid into a sympathetic figure. That much is already evident less than 24 hours later and what did any of that have to do with playing a baseball game???? Answer....NOTHING. Reward to the Sox....NOTHING....potential downside.....INFINITE

 

Without question one of the most idiotic things I have seen in baseball

Edited August 20, 2013 by jung

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Life would be easier if this cheating S.O.B was not allowed to play.

[Orange Juiced]

Life would be easier if this cheating S.O.B was not allowed to play.

 

Well that's the real problem. Everyone knows the dude was doing PEDs. There is just gobs of evidence for this. And yet he's allowed to play in the meanwhile? And possibly have a huge impact on the pennant race? It makes no sense.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Well that's the real problem. Everyone knows the dude was doing PEDs. There is just gobs of evidence for this. And yet he's allowed to play in the meanwhile? And possibly have a huge impact on the pennant race? It makes no sense.

 

All because of a stupid ass appeal. He has the right to do so, but still f*** him.

[jung]

Life would be easier if this cheating S.O.B was not allowed to play.

 

Life would be easier of people including ballplayers did not anoint themselves with the authority to make pointless statements particularly if they did not have the nuts to back it up. Did Dempster back it up by preventing any negative outcomes even on that particular night...NO...Did the Sox back him up and bail him out of that mess....NO....f***ing stupidity

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Dude, that post has nothing to do with last nights game. You need to get over that, it's over. I was talking overall and even Yankees fans would agree. He's a cheater and a liar and this is the only bitch that appealed his suspension. Seriously, f*** him.

[VA Sox Fan]

Life would be easier of people including ballplayers did not anoint themselves with the authority to make pointless statements particularly if they did not have the nuts to back it up. Did Dempster back it up by preventing any negative outcomes even on that particular night...NO...Did the Sox back him up and bail him out of that mess....NO....f***ing stupidity

 

Life would be easier if A-wad wasn't such a lying unlikable douche bag who is hated by all but a handful of NYY fans. f*** him all day and all night long.

[Northern Star]

Life would be easier if A-wad wasn't such a lying unlikable douche bag who is hated by all but a handful of NYY fans. f*** him all day and all night long.

 

:thumbsup:

[Orange Juiced]

All because of a stupid ass appeal. He has the right to do so, but still f*** him.

 

I don't understand why the appeal process takes so long. If MLB had sufficient evidence to nail him (and they appear to have just that), how long can the appeal process really take? And what, exactly, are his grounds for appeal?

[jung]

Life would be easier if A-wad wasn't such a lying unlikable douche bag who is hated by all but a handful of NYY fans. f*** him all day and all night long.

 

So I would guess turning A-roid into a sympathetic figure even if only by a little bit did not make much sense now did it? And if anybody does not think that was one result, they have had their ears closed since last night and their heads in the sand.

[Bellhorn04]

Life would be easier if A-wad wasn't such a lying unlikable douche bag who is hated by all but a handful of NYY fans. f*** him all day and all night long.

 

Right. What's pissing me off out of my mind about last night's game is that he f***ed us.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I don't understand why the appeal process takes so long. If MLB had sufficient evidence to nail him (and they appear to have just that), how long can the appeal process really take? And what, exactly, are his grounds for appeal?

 

I would answer, but I'm not really too sure. You make a good point though. If they have sufficient evidence, it should not be taking so long.

[Bellhorn04]

I would answer, but I'm not really too sure. You make a good point though. If they have sufficient evidence, it should not be taking so long.

 

Sure they have a lot of evidence. But a 211 game suspension is unprecedented, and A-Rod has the right to present a case against it. Not to mention a little bit of cash to pay lawyers.

[VA Sox Fan]

So I would guess turning A-roid into a sympathetic figure even if only by a little bit did not make much sense now did it? And if anybody does not think that was one result, they have had their ears closed since last night and their heads in the sand.

 

Who thinks he's a sympathetic figure? The media? Who cares???? f*** him.

[VA Sox Fan]

Right. What's pissing me off out of my mind about last night's game is that he f***ed us.

 

Dempster didn't do his job after the HBP. f*** him and f*** A-Wad no matter what.

[marklmw]

Dempster didn't do his job after the HBP. f*** him and f*** A-Wad no matter what.

 

Dempster is this years John Lackey

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Sure they have a lot of evidence. But a 211 game suspension is unprecedented, and A-Rod has the right to present a case against it. Not to mention a little bit of cash to pay lawyers.

 

He has the right to appeal any type of suspension. I don't think 211 games is harsh, he probably deserves more. Which is why they were considering banning him for life. I'd be down for that, but the Yankees earn too much money in return, f*** that.

[jung]

I don't know if MLB is using the "conduct unbecoming" charge possibility as a last resort if A-roid does not capitulate or if they simply do not have enough to go down that road. It would certainly cause a much longer delay as I think they would have to wait for A-roid to face some sort of criminal charge and then be convicted for it. Even if the stuff that has come out in the media is true I don't think criminal charges will be levied at this point. Unlike some people we know.....The Miami Dade County DA appears to be too smart to stick its toes in these waters at this point.

[Bellhorn04]

Good, I think we finally bludgeoned this topic to death.

[a700hitter]

Dempster didn't do his job after the HBP. f*** him and f*** A-Wad no matter what.

Dumpster has fallen from hero status?

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

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