Big Fan of Pedroia but Not His Extension

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

This guy making post like he's going to convince us it was a bad move.

[Dojji]

Ehh. It's not like any of us doesn't know it's a risky signing in a couple senses, but there's no such thing as being risk-averse and winning in baseball. This is a risk the Red Sox needed to take.

[Standing Room]

Sign Ellsbury 5 years at $15m per. $75m. Why are you bringing Josh Hamilton into this discussion. Sign Peddy at 4 years at $15m per. (because Peddy loves Boston and I think he would take it) I suppose that you do not play fantasy baseball and yes I realize that fantasy baseball is just that ... but do go to the espn site for fantasy bball and click on the player rater. Of all MLB players Ellsbury is sitting at #8 and Pedroia is at #31.

http://games.espn.go.com/flb/playerrater?

It is pretty accurate when you go down the list of players and what there value is. For 2013 compare Ellsbury's 11.07 to Peddy's 8.27. While Peddy has had more plate appearances as well. Ellsbury has had a had wrist for much of this season and his hr's are now just coming. Now way is Peddy a better player than Ellsbury.

 

I don't think either player would accept either one of those deals. Michael Bourn signed for 4 years/$14 million per and Ellsbury is much more valuable. You're way off if you think he's only going to get one more year and $1 million more per year. Not to mention, we have Jackie Bradley who is a stud prospect and he'll cost $0.5 million.

 

Same goes for Pedroia. Kinsler just signed a 5 year, $75 million deal so 4 years/60 would be lowballing Pedroia.

[Standing Room]

Btw, it's PEDEY, not peddy. Most realize Ells won't be back next year. That became clear when he hired Boras.

 

Agree to disagree with respect to Pedey's extension.

 

Peddy is his brother.

 

http://www.aolnews.com/2009/01/25/dustin-pedroias-brother-arrested-on-child-molestation-charges/

[mvp 78]

Peddy is his brother.

 

http://www.aolnews.com/2009/01/25/dustin-pedroias-brother-arrested-on-child-molestation-charges/

 

Alleged brother. We haven't been presented the DNA evidence that he's linked to Pedey yet.

[marklmw]

Sometimes I wonder why fans care at all about how much money management pays its players. Obviously I think a great deal about Ellsburys value leading off and tracking down balls. I do not think that Jack Bradley fits the 'stud' prospect category.

[marklmw]

right

[User Name]

Sometimes I wonder why fans care at all about how much money management pays its players. Obviously I think a great deal about Ellsburys value leading off and tracking down balls. I do not think that Jack Bradley fits the 'stud' prospect category.

 

Yet you're the one who just made a thread whining about the money that's being paid to the franchise's best player? You're ridiculous. Also, your love affair with Ellsbury borders on the insane.

[marklmw]

Look, You are missing my point. I am only curious about the fact that they gave him 7 years. Not that they extended his contract but the length. Also, if you have not yet realized but things are getting pretty bad in the USA ... double digit raises in player salaries cannot go on indefinitely.

[mvp 78]

Oh s***, here comes some Freakonomics passages...

[a700hitter]

Yet you're the one who just made a thread whining about the money that's being paid to the franchise's best player? You're ridiculous. Also, your love affair with Ellsbury borders on the insane.

^Maybe just a tad contentious and a bit abbrasive, not to mention personal. You disagree with the guy. Most of us do on this issue, but really...

[User Name]

Well i did say border, and "ridiculous" is a hell of a lot less abrasive than say "dickwad" or "asshat".

[italstallianion]

I also find a lot of the language on the site to be unnecessarily negative. For example, people tend to say "you're wrong" or "you're an idiot" rather than "I disagree and here's why"

 

Just simple things like that.

[lospunchados]

Look, You are missing my point. I am only curious about the fact that they gave him 7 years. Not that they extended his contract but the length. Also, if you have not yet realized but things are getting pretty bad in the USA ... double digit raises in player salaries cannot go on indefinitely.

 

The answer to your question is very simple. They gave him seven years because, he is the hardest working player on the team, he's earned it and he came up to his agent, even with two option years left, and said i want to be a lifelong redsox. his agent said it was financially stupid, he didn't care.overpaying for him at 12 an 13 million at his last two years not that bad really.thats even overpaying at all compared to crawford, gonzalez pujols or a-rod. those are bad contracts. I feel like you used the wrong word, did u mean great contract.

[User Name]

I also find a lot of the language on the site to be unnecessarily negative. For example, people tend to say "you're wrong" or "you're an idiot" rather than "I disagree and here's why"

 

Just simple things like that.

 

On this site? You mean everywhere right? Welcome to the internet.

[User Name]

The answer to your question is very simple. They gave him seven years because, he is the hardest working player on the team, he's earned it and he came up to his agent, even with two option years left, and said i want to be a lifelong redsox. his agent said it was financially stupid, he didn't care.overpaying for him at 12 an 13 million at his last two years not that bad really.thats even overpaying at all compared to crawford, gonzalez pujols or a-rod. those are bad contracts. I feel like you used the wrong word, did u mean great contract.

 

Good post.

[italstallianion]

On this site? You mean everywhere right? Welcome to the internet.

 

Unfortunately that's a lesson I'm learning about the real world. The majority of people are *******s. That's why I'd rather chill in my apartment playing video games than meeting people.

 

Just because it's everywhere doesn't make it right. Some are guilty of it here way more than others.

[User Name]

Unfortunately that's a lesson I'm learning about the real world. The majority of people are *******s. That's why I'd rather chill in my apartment playing video games than meeting people.

 

Just because it's everywhere doesn't make it right. Some are guilty of it here way more than others.

 

We're all guilty at one point or the other. But i disagree in the idea that the majority of people are *******s. People behave way worse on the internet real life because the lack of face-to-face interaction thins out the need for social etiquette.

[italstallianion]

We're all guilty at one point or the other. But i disagree in the idea that the majority of people are *******s. People behave way worse on the internet real life because the lack of face-to-face interaction thins out the need for social etiquette.

 

I agree with this.

[Orange Juiced]

We're all guilty at one point or the other. But i disagree in the idea that the majority of people are *******s. People behave way worse on the internet real life because the lack of face-to-face interaction thins out the need for social etiquette.

 

Well that and the fact that people might just find a fist in their face if they said in person some of the things they say anonymously over the internet.

[VA Sox Fan]

well i did say border, and "ridiculous" is a hell of a lot less abrasive than say "dickwad" or "asshat".

 

:d lmao! :D

[Dojji]

We're all guilty at one point or the other. But i disagree in the idea that the majority of people are *******s. People behave way worse on the internet real life because the lack of face-to-face interaction thins out the need for social etiquette.

 

So we learn more about what people are here, when they drop their defenses. IF you're a dick on the internet, going out of your way to be impolite and abrasive, etc, then you're a dick plain and simple, the Internet simply made it easier for you to decide not to hide it.

[User Name]

So we learn more about what people are here, when they drop their defenses. IF you're a dick on the internet, going out of your way to be impolite and abrasive, etc, then you're a dick plain and simple, the Internet simply made it easier for you to decide not to hide it.

 

Not necessarily. For some this is an outlet. For others things come out a lot worse than they mean them too. Some take everything on the internet and light-hearted and think everything is just fun even if it's insulting to others. Someone's internet persona doesn't always reflects their real-life counterpart.

[User Name]

Well that and the fact that people might just find a fist in their face if they said in person some of the things they say anonymously over the internet.

 

This isn't a Bruce Lee movie, so very seldom does this happen. But there are obvious social repercussions to exhibiting some of the behavior people usually demonstrate on the internet. If you want the breeding grounds for internet *******ry, go to the comments section on a popular youtube video. It makes talksox look like nap time at the daycare in comparison.

[a700hitter]

Well i did say border, and "ridiculous" is a hell of a lot less abrasive than say "dickwad" or "asshat".

LOL! But you are leaving out the context which is very important. My remarks were in response to a personal attack and an harrassing PM. Your remarks were in response to a baseball opinion. There's the difference.

 

Edit: ANd pointing to the perceived bad behavior of others is not a justification for one's own bad behavior.

Edited July 25, 2013 by a700hitter

[User Name]

You call people names and use personal attacks all the time. Not always because of "being harassed". Sometimes under the banner of "friendly banter" and others sticking your nose in other's disagreements. If someone here doesn't have the moral standing to call anyone out on anything, that's you. How about that for context?

[User Name]

By the way, this is another one of those instances where you add fuel to the fire of a non-existent argument with the mere object of calling attention to yourself and your victim act. I thought i politely asked you to stop last night? For the sake of maintaining a good standing and ugly arguments to a minimum, how about if you do?

[mvp 78]

Back to the original point, does anyone on here agree with the new guy that Pedroia's contract is bad and that Ellsbury is the better player? Anyone?

[User Name]

Pedroia is the better career hitter (not even close in the OPS department), has been the better and most consistent defender (not just per UZR, but most other advanced fielding metrics), more durable (this isn't even a question) and the face of the Red Sox franchise along with Papi.

 

Not only is he better, he's a lot better, and he means a lot more to the team. He was also willing to negotiate in-season and not try to squeeze every last dollar out of the Sox, unlike Ellsbury and his agent.

[a700hitter]

By the way, this is another one of those instances where you add fuel to the fire of a non-existent argument with the mere object of calling attention to yourself and your victim act. I thought i politely asked you to stop last night? For the sake of maintaining a good standing and ugly arguments to a minimum, how about if you do?

You are one cranky guy.

 

Last night you call me out for a mild remark kidding Fred for his "agenda". You gave advice to the whole board and then today you tell a newb that he is ridiuculous and bordeline insane for a sport opinion. I don't even know what to make of you.

Edited July 25, 2013 by a700hitter