Trades before the deadline?

[BSN07]

I think Wilson is a must plus another BP arm and maybe a veteran SP for depth. I think they have enough to cover the left side of the IF for the season. I'd like to see WMB and/or Bogaerts get a shot come September just to see if one catches fire heading into the playoffs.

[BSN07]

Not a trade but the Pirates just DFA'd Inge. Any interest there for some depth? I wouldn't count on him but maybe they catch lightning in a bottle with him for a month or so.

[a700hitter]

Not a trade but the Pirates just DFA'd Inge. Any interest there for some depth? I wouldn't count on him but maybe they catch lightning in a bottle with him for a month or so.

He blows.

[SoxSport]

They can send him to the minors where Jose Contreras can take him under his wing.

 

They need Contreras right now, if he has anything.

[Standing Room]

We're reportedly interested in Luke Hochevar. I wonder if the Jays would trade Brett Cecil, he's another guy who's really blossomed in relief.

[Standing Room]

I said it before and I'll say it again - I wish we still had Mark Melancon.

[User Name]

That's the beauty of hindsight SR. No one could have predicted he'd be this good, and honestly, he likely wouldn't have been this good in Boston. However, at 70% of his current production, he'd have formed a dynamite combo with the Japanese duo.

[Standing Room]

That's the beauty of hindsight SR. No one could have predicted he'd be this good, and honestly, he likely wouldn't have been this good in Boston. However, at 70% of his current production, he'd have formed a dynamite combo with the Japanese duo.

 

I said at the time we made the trade that I didn't want to trade him. I thought we should have acquired him from the Astros before Cherington actually did. I love his track record going back to the minors and his contract and I thought the cutter he developed in the second half of 2011 had the potential to make him dominant.

[SoxSport]

Interesting. If we kept all of those guys, we wouldn't be any better today. Very few of the traded prospects have made any impact. Trade away Benny Boy!!!

 

Benny Boy isn't giving up any prospects for rentals. The Orioles just got KRod. The Red Sox can't stand still while their rivals improve by the trade deadline.

[dupree]

I personally glad we didnt trade for KRod. I hate the way the guy throws the baseball and looks like he falls off the mound every pitch. I hope Benny signs Brian "The Beard" Wilson if the reports are true about him being back to major league form.

 

I think Peavy is a Red Sox because its gonna take some time before Buch is ready and if they can sign Wilson and maybe one of the minor leaguers can contribute in the bullpen the Sox will be set for a championship run.

 

Also i have seen where people say we need a bat. Here is a dream but i said it in the offseason i thought we should have traded for him then. But it depends if Seattle becomes sellers by the deadline, i would like to see them trade for Micheal Morse to play Left Field and add some power to this line up. It wont happen but id like to hope. A bat like that when Morse is healthy would make this already potent line up into a pitchers nightmare.

[Bellhorn04]

We're reportedly interested in Luke Hochevar. I wonder if the Jays would trade Brett Cecil, he's another guy who's really blossomed in relief.

 

Cecil was outstanding most of the year but has been really bad lately. Maybe wearing down.

[Standing Room]

Cecil was outstanding most of the year but has been really bad lately. Maybe wearing down.

 

The last and only time he gave up more than 2 ER in an appearance this year was May. That's the kind of consistency we could use in our bullpen.

[User Name]

The last and only time he gave up more than 2 ER in an appearance this year was May.

 

....and tonight

[Bellhorn04]

The last and only time he gave up more than 2 ER in an appearance this year was May. That's the kind of consistency we could use in our bullpen.

 

In his last 9.1 IP he's given up 16 hits and 10 walks.

[a700hitter]

Benny Boy isn't giving up any prospects for rentals. The Orioles just got KRod. The Red Sox can't stand still while their rivals improve by the trade deadline.

He's a very deliberate guy, but sometimes you have to act before the competition does. I am not a KRod fan, so no loss there, but he will have to make a decision.

[Behindenemylines]

I think Workman is key to what the Sox do before the trading deadline. He has one more start before the deadline and if he has another solid start then the Sox go out and get bullpen help with the thought of keeping him in the rotation until Buchholtz comes back. If he has a bad outing against the O's then the Sox go after a starter (Peavy maybe), and maybe a lesser piece for the pen with the thought of moving Workman to the pen. Either way the Sox will pick up another pitcher. It would be nice if some of their young pitchers stepped up.

[Palodios]

I think Workman is key to what the Sox do before the trading deadline. He has one more start before the deadline and if he has another solid start then the Sox go out and get bullpen help with the thought of keeping him in the rotation until Buchholtz comes back. If he has a bad outing against the O's then the Sox go after a starter (Peavy maybe), and maybe a lesser piece for the pen with the thought of moving Workman to the pen. Either way the Sox will pick up another pitcher. It would be nice if some of their young pitchers stepped up.

 

I see Workman as a big trade piece right now. He's shown he can have success as a major league starter in SSS, but he projects as a back end guy. #4/5 starters with low ceilings are exactly who you want to trade because they have much more value on mediocre teams than good ones. We've seen them trading many back-end starters for key pieces in the past -- ie Gabbard, Weiland and to a lesser extent Masterson and Arroyo. I'm sure there have been better examples.

[a700hitter]

I see Workman as a big trade piece right now. He's shown he can have success as a major league starter in SSS, but he projects as a back end guy. #4/5 starters with low ceilings are exactly who you want to trade because they have much more value on mediocre teams than good ones. We've seen them trading many back-end starters for key pieces in the past -- ie Gabbard, Weiland and to a lesser extent Masterson and Arroyo. I'm sure there have been better examples.

I was thinking that Workman could be this year's Gabbard. If he has another good start, he will be prime trade bait. They don't need him if Buch will be back in 2 or 3 rotation turns. With Buch coming back, I would like to get a big steady right handed bat to put right behind Ortiz. A couple of BP pieces would be nice too.

[dupree]

Who do you think that big steady bat should be a700?

[jung]

I guess I don't know the kind of player you are talking about 700. It sounds like somebody that would require Workman plus. Just not sure which guy or guys are in the discussion.

[Bellhorn04]

I think for big right handed bats behind Ortiz we're going to have to live with Naps and Gomes. Which hopefully will not be a bad thing at all.

[Standing Room]

We lead the majors in most offensive categories and have very few open starting positions that we don't have in-house options for. Trading prospects for another righthanded bat doesn't seem like the most economical use of our resources.

[italstallianion]

Benny Boy isn't giving up any prospects for rentals. The Orioles just got KRod. The Red Sox can't stand still while their rivals improve by the trade deadline.

 

But if the price for that reliever was the 4th best prospect in the system, sometimes you can't blame him for standing pat. Yeah we need a reliever, but at that cost? I think more people would have his head for pulling the trigger on that than for standing pat.

[jung]

Seems to me that BC should be able to bag a reliever or two without digging into the pool of prospects the organization wants to keep. That of course was easier to tap out on the keyboard than it will be for BC. However I would think he could get pieces that we need at an acceptable price.

[italstallianion]

It's going to be hard not telling GM's to go f*** themselves when they ask for comparable prices that K-rod or Garza got.

[Spitball]

It's going to be hard not telling GM's to go f*** themselves when they ask for comparable prices that K-rod or Garza got.

 

The Rangers and Orioles might have just established a "sellers' market," but there is very else out there.

[a700hitter]

What's the rush!! Buchholz is hoping for 4 or 5 more starts at the end of the season. I think we had better get a starter.

 

Clay Buchholz has 'no timeline' on return

Posted by Staff July 23, 2013 04:09 PM

 

By Peter Abraham, Globe Staff and Emily Kaplan, Globe Correspondent

 

Clay Buchholz received positive news about the health of his shoulder when he visited the esteemed Dr. James Andrews on Monday. But how positive depends on who you ask.

 

Buchholz indicated on Tuesday that he may not be ready to pitch in a major league game until late August or early September.

 

"I definitely have a strain in there," Buchholz said. "The strength of my shoulder was as good as it's ever been. It's all in the throwing motion."

 

After speaking with Andrews, Buchholz believes the problem stems from his trying to push through the initial injury that occurred in June.

 

"It's probably partly my fault because I want to come back more than probably anybody wants me to be back. Probably been pushing myself a little bit too much," he said. "That was the problem we were running into. I'd feel really good for a day or two or three and then try and get off a mound and it'd be like a re-strain and start from square one again. That's what I've been doing for a month and a half and it's been miserable."

 

Buchholz said the injury — a strained bursa sac — should heal fairly soon and that his shoulder is otherwise structurally sound. Andrews, in fact, told Buchholz that his shoulder was better than he might have expected for a 28-year-old major league pitcher.

 

But Andrews also counseled patience. According to Buchholz, Andrews told him not to try pitching off a mound until he could throw from 90 feet at full intensity and not feel any pain.

 

"That's when the light comes on and I can start throwing off the mound," Buchholz said.

 

Because Buchholz has not pitched in a game since June 8, he would need time to get in game shape. At a minimum, that would involve three bullpen sessions, a simulated game and then a minor league rehabilitation game.

 

On Monday, Red Sox manager John Farrell said Buchholz would have "more readiness on his part to push through" any pain he felt.

 

Buchholz doesn't necessarily agree with that.

 

"That's another thing. If I do this too quick then I'm going to be dealing with it for the rest of the year," he said. "I think that's a risk for me because I wouldn't be able to pitch right now. ... Knowing that if I don't do this right, [Andrews] said you can either pitch four or five starts in the last half of the season and hopefully we're lucky enough to go to the playoffs and pitch in the playoffs. Or you can do it wrong and not pitch at all."

 

Getting back for four or five starts would suggest Buchholz may not come off the disabled list for another month.

 

"There's no timeline on it," Buchholz said. "I'm gong to go as quick as I can at the comfort level that he told me to go at."

 

Said Farrell: "Whatever time is needed, Clay is going to return to us when he's ready."

 

Buchholz said trying to pitch now would be fruitless.

 

"The last couple of bullpens that I've tried, it wouldn't be fun for me to go out and pitch the way it felt. And that was going at 70 percent in the bullpen. I don't want to imagine what it would feel like at 100 percent," he said.

 

Buchholz said Andrew told him to be careful. "His exact words were, 'This could turn into something if you allow it to. If you go out there and throw 100 percent it won't be good,' " he said.

 

Farrell said the Red Sox will approach Buchholz's return in phases.

 

"The reconditioning and the strength gains from a throwing standpoint to then incorporating the mound," he said. "This will all be determined on Clay's tolerance and how he responds to the increase in intensity."

 

Buchholz was asked how confident he was about being able to start again this season.

 

"I said I was pretty confident I was going to pitch a month and a half ago. But I feel good about it knowing the steps that I have to take to get back and not pushing myself over the edge," he said. "I feel pretty good about it."

 

Said Farrell: "I think we're still very optimistic he's going to pitch for us. To be determined on the date."

 

Buchholz was 9-0 with a 1.71 earned run average before he went on the disabled list.

 

"I was having the best season that I ever thought that I could have in this game. And I promise you I definitely want to be out there pitching. I feel like I wouldn't give the team the best chance to win if I go out there at 60 percent," he said.

 

[italstallianion]

The Rangers and Orioles might have just established a "sellers' market," but there is very else out there.

 

True, but I think you can argue that there might be one less buyer on the market. In addition if the sellers don't make a deal they can potentially hurt themselves as well, seeing as they could get nothing for a player that can leave them later on anyway instead of trading them for at least something.

[Standing Room]

After speaking with Andrews, Buchholz believes the problem stems from his trying to push through the initial injury that occurred in June.

 

Shocker, what's actually being reported is the opposite of what jung said.

[User Name]

Shocker, what's actually being reported is the opposite of what jung said.

 

Color me surprised.