Aceves' deep egotism

[beeee_c]

I don't like to analyze a person without ever meeting them, but it seems that Alfredo has the same deep egotism that we see pop up once in a while. What do you guys think? If he is truly a deeply self-focused person, I think that can only detract from team's unity. His behavior may be entertaining, but ultimately harmful.

[Bellhorn04]

He obviously has some issues. How serious the issues are I'm not sure yet. I'm putting it on Farrell to deal with him. Either get him under control, or tell Ben he has to be traded.

[Dojji]

A baseball player is arrogant and egotistical.

 

Oh my. Such a thing has never happened before. However shall we react to this completely unprecedented situation.

[User Name]

A baseball player is arrogant and egotistical.

 

Oh my. Such a thing has never happened before. However shall we react to this completely unprecedented situation.

 

Why respond like a jerk? It's a legitimate question. You put up with it no questions asked when it's a superstar like Manny, but when it's a decent reliever like Aceves then the waters get a bit muddier, because the production/******** ratio isn't so clear cut.

 

In response to OP, i agree with Bellhorn. All we can do is let Farrell be the one to determine if the pros are worth the cons.

[onlybereaved]

Why respond like a jerk? It's a legitimate question. You put up with it no questions asked when it's a superstar like Manny, but when it's a decent reliever like Aceves then the waters get a bit muddier, because the production/******** ratio isn't so clear cut.

 

In response to OP, i agree with Bellhorn. All we can do is let Farrell be the one to determine if the pros are worth the cons.

 

Yeah. The production/bullfrig ratio isn't clear cut enough for Aceves to be acting a fool to the degree he has been. I think the guy is just screaming "trade me, I hate this place, noone understands how amazing I am in Boston".

 

If he was quiet and not a hotheaded ego-bag, I would consider him a pretty useful and decent pen guy. Doesn't seem to be worth the drama he could pollute the environment with, especially in a clubhouse where we just got rid of much of/most of that.

 

Aceves is likely to come to work wearing a trench-coat one day and start shooting teammates. Send this weirdo packing.

[Dojji]

Why respond like a jerk? It's a legitimate question.

 

Not when it's phrased in a way that singles out Aceves it's not.

 

This team has seen innumerable characters in its bullpen as crazy or crazier than Aceves. Julian Tavarez anyone? It's hypocritical to talk about Aceves' temper and ego problems like it's something we've never experienced before.

 

I agree that there's a definite threshold of nonsense beyond which the guy should be moved along. Generating a little drama with an HBP is nowhere near that threshold.

[BSN07]

Not when it's phrased in a way that singles out Aceves it's not.

 

This team has seen innumerable characters in its bullpen as crazy or crazier than Aceves. Julian Tavarez anyone? It's hypocritical to talk about Aceves' temper and ego problems like it's something we've never experienced before.

 

I agree that there's a definite threshold of nonsense beyond which the guy should be moved along. Generating a little drama with an HBP is nowhere near that threshold.

 

I'm not a hypocrite, I said he was crazier then Tavarez lol

 

I think it's also what your doing when you act out. When Manny was being Manny he wasn't causing brawls on the field or throwing his bat at a pitcher cause the pitcher had the audacity to strike him out(I know Manny got worse towards the end and his altercations became much more negative, but for the most past you could just chalk him up to being a manchild). Tavarez would go off the rails a couple times a season, but for the most part he was a good solider in between. Aceves seems like he's being a dick even between his on field out bursts.

[Dojji]

And if that becomes too big of a problem I expect Farrell to deal with it.

 

By which I mean I expect him to deal with what Aceves actually does and is, not what he seems to be and the media speculates he did.

 

I really, really hate the way the media gets hold of certain athletes and shakes them until their teeth fall out, then acts all offended when they protest or retaliate. It cost us Manny, it cost us Tim Thomas, cost us Kevin Youkilis, may have cost us Josh Beckett, who knows who the hell else it's cost over the years. If you want to know why this team hasn't been attracting the bigtime FA talent, I have to think the incredibly antagonistic media environment is a big factor. Even in New York the shark fins don't swirl this aggressively.

 

Anyway, point being, I am inclined to resist any momentum the beat writers are trying to build up against yet another intended victim until I see a good reason not to.

[mvp 78]

The media didn't cost us Manny. Him being an a-hole and pushing senior citizens over cost us Manny. Tito wanted him out the door long before 2008.

 

The media didn't cost us Youk. Signing BV did.

 

The media didn't cost us Tim Thomas. Tukkaa and age did. Thomas realized that he was going to be traded once Rask surpassed him on the depth chart. He left on his own terms.

 

Anyway, point being, the media isn't some big scary monster hiding in athletes' closets...

[Dojji]

The media exacerbated each of these issues and kept stirring the pot, even months afterwards in both Manny's case and Thomas's.

 

They may not have pulled the trigger on the moves that put any of these people out of town, they may be able to hide behind plausible deniability on any one thing, but they were a huge factor in why their implosions were as big and permanent as they were.

[jung]

Sure I am going to let the media have an impact on my decisions with millions of $ at stake. In a word.....No!

 

But sweeten my pot by $1m on a $10m deal and I am outta' here!

[wyo-sox]

I'm pretty sure a combination of Will Middlebrooks and Youk not hitting cost us Youk...... not the media or BV.

[reYoukilis]

I really, really hate the way the media gets hold of certain athletes and shakes them until their teeth fall out, then acts all offended when they protest or retaliate. It cost us Manny, it cost us Tim Thomas, cost us Kevin Youkilis, may have cost us Josh Beckett, who knows who the hell else it's cost over the years. If you want to know why this team hasn't been attracting the bigtime FA talent, I have to think the incredibly antagonistic media environment is a big factor. Even in New York the shark fins don't swirl this aggressively.

 

Maybe so but I think we got most of the talent out the list of examples you provided, at least their peak. I would be glad to be wrong though, unless they play the Red Sox or Bruins.

[beeee_c]

I think ownership has made mostly baseball decisions in situations when individual players are pushing against the tide of the team. In Manny's case, they held out as long as they possibly could. I also think that recent years have shown how much team spirit leads to success. The Sox in particular are attempting to build that spirit, which is why I think they should have no patience at this particular time for a player of Aceves' ilk. That is, if he really is as problematic as the media makes him out to be. Which I think he may be, given his actual actions and words (not media scripted) - walking off the mound without acknowledging Valentine, being purposely opaque in his responses to questions, etc. I think, in this rebuilding year, team spirit trumps baseball decisions and he has to go.

[redsoxfan3]

I am tired about hearing about Aceves. He is by far the strangest and most bizarre character in the clubhouse. At this point since he is not going to get traded, hopefully it will be a non-issue moving forward because everyone already knows we can expect weird things from him. If he is such a cancer in the clubhouse, I think he should have been dealt or released by now. I know that we are already starting out without Breslow and Morales, so it is hard to trade the guy that is next in line to be a starter if someone gets hurt. Hopefully he can keep his shenanigans on the down low and won't be much of a distraction. Like others have said, we have already dealt with players like Manny and Tavares.

[beeee_c]

And that got us where, as a franchise? Time for a change in mindset.

[Dojji]

And that got us where, as a franchise? Time for a change in mindset.

 

Right. I'm getting sick of just throwing away inconvenient people.

[SCM33]

Why respond like a jerk? It's a legitimate question. You put up with it no questions asked when it's a superstar like Manny, but when it's a decent reliever like Aceves then the waters get a bit muddier, because the production/******** ratio isn't so clear cut.

 

In response to OP, i agree with Bellhorn. All we can do is let Farrell be the one to determine if the pros are worth the cons.

 

Nava could stab the ball girl, take a s*** on some little girls hot dog, piss in an old womans diet coke then shoot 4 priests.......and Dojji would defend him.