Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Thread

[Palodios]

This is a lose/lose for the Yankees, either they pay Cano $25 million a year through age 38+ or they lose their best player.

 

The real problem for the Yankees is that Cano is truly one of those players you need to hold onto. Sometimes you look at a player, and you can see holes in their skills, health and personality, but you pay him anyway. We're talking about the class of players including Hamilton, Crawford, Greinke.

 

Cano isn't one of those guys. He's in the upper echelon, of guys like Sabathia, Holliday, Halladay who seem primed to continue to be successful. He's played 155+ games the last few years, spotless health, nearly elite defense, high average, power, counting stats. Even home/away splits. Hits righties better than lefties, but nothing out of the ordinary. Handles Yankee Stadium.... If only he could hit in the playoffs.

[BSN07]

Joel Sherman of the New York Post recently suggested. However, Sherman wrote that the Yankees would prefer a shorter term, perhaps $171MM for seven years. Cano recently told reporters that “it’s not about the money,” for what it's worth.

 

It's nothing concrete

[BSN07]

The real problem for the Yankees is that Cano is truly one of those players you need to hold onto. Sometimes you look at a player, and you can see holes in their skills, health and personality, but you pay him anyway. We're talking about the class of players including Hamilton, Crawford, Greinke.

 

Cano isn't one of those guys. He's in the upper echelon, of guys like Sabathia, Holliday, Halladay who seem primed to continue to be successful. He's played 155+ games the last few years, spotless health, nearly elite defense, high average, power, counting stats. Even home/away splits. Hits righties better than lefties, but nothing out of the ordinary. Handles Yankee Stadium.... If only he could hit in the playoffs.

 

My biggest knock on Cano is he seems really streaky. He's either absolutely destroying it or in a slump.

[Cano In Dodger Blue]

It's nothing concrete

 

In other words, there is no 7 year/171 million contract, a writer simply suggested there be one.

[Cano In Dodger Blue]

The real problem for the Yankees is that Cano is truly one of those players you need to hold onto. Sometimes you look at a player, and you can see holes in their skills, health and personality, but you pay him anyway. We're talking about the class of players including Hamilton, Crawford, Greinke.

 

Cano isn't one of those guys. He's in the upper echelon, of guys like Sabathia, Holliday, Halladay who seem primed to continue to be successful. He's played 155+ games the last few years, spotless health, nearly elite defense, high average, power, counting stats. Even home/away splits. Hits righties better than lefties, but nothing out of the ordinary. Handles Yankee Stadium.... If only he could hit in the playoffs.

 

Near elite defense? He's had a UZR in the negatives four the of the last five seasons and has a -30 UZR for his career. Even if you cherry pick the two years in his career in which he had a UZR in the positives (and anyone who understands UZR knows that you can't look at it in one year sample sizes) he's never had a season in which his UZR was better than 5th highest compared to other second basemen. His defense is average at best.

[Palodios]

Near elite defense? He's had a UZR in the negatives four the of the last five seasons and has a -30 UZR for his career. Even if you cherry pick the two years in his career in which he had a UZR in the positives (and anyone who understands UZR knows that you can't look at it in one year sample sizes) he's never had a season in which his UZR was better than 5th highest compared to other second basemen. His defense is average at best.

 

Retracted. I was looking at his 2012 numbers, and made an assumption. I didn't realize he's been so bad over the course of his career.

[Cano In Dodger Blue]

Where do you think Cano will hit in the Dodgers lineup? I want to say third the middle of that lineup's going to be pretty crowded with Cano, Gonzalez and Kemp.

[bbjackernator]

There’s some disagreement as to whether the Yankees made Cano an official offer, Buster Olney said on ESPN.com’s Baseball Tonight podcast. Some of Olney’s sources say it was more a discussion of concepts and comparables. It’s still early, yet the sides are talking about some “really big numbers,” according to Olney. It’s possible the Yankees would offer $27-28MM per season on a seven-year deal. The club would probably prefer to avoid a ten-year commitment in Olney’s view.

 

$196 at 7 years/$28 million per would be closer to what Cano's looking for and would be able to get on the free agent market. I wouldn't mind if the Yankees paid a 6 WAR player $30 million a year through age 37. If he signs elsewhere though, it would be a complete disaster for them. That's what I'm really rooting for here.

[Palodios]

Cano and Texeira are both playing in the WBC. Not sure why that isn't bigger news-- those are two of the last players the Yankees should want to risk getting injured.

[jacksonianmarch]

They run a similar risk in ST. My hope is that Tex has a better start due to his participation

[Laser Show]

Cashman broke his ankle skydiving with the Army's Golden Knights and had to undergo surgery similar to what Jeter had.

 

http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/9015136/new-york-yankees-general-manager-brian-cashman-broke-ankle-skydiving

[Bellhorn04]

Cashman broke his ankle skydiving with the Army's Golden Knights and had to undergo surgery similar to what Jeter had.

 

http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/9015136/new-york-yankees-general-manager-brian-cashman-broke-ankle-skydiving

 

Mistresses, going down buildings dressed as an elf, skydiving injuries...don't the Boston media wish that Cherington was half as nutty as Cashman.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Uh oh.

 

@DanBarbarisi: Cashman says hes worried about Teixeira - shut down for minimum two weeks - but Cash says Tex felt "pop", and that hes very concerned

 

Tex had a wrist/forearm injury. I thought it was just a strain until I heard that he felt a pop. That's very bad.

[jacksonianmarch]

That wouldnt be good

[jacksonianmarch]

In terms of what we'd do, we'd probably move Youk to first base and use Corban Joseph and David Adams in a platoon. In terms of our offense, we're gonna be f***ed. I hope Cano starts off guns blazing through early May or we're f***ed

[jacksonianmarch]

The funny thing is, the only old guy to go down is ARod and we knew of that in November. With all this talk about age, our 32 yr old 1b and our 31 yr old OFer are the spring casualties so far. LOL

[BSN07]

Wow that would be a major blow to the offense. I was waiting for the Division predictions thread to pop up to call it but this makes me think even more that the Yanks are going to have a rough season(similar to the Sox last season less the drama) and they will battle the O's for 4th place this season. That's just my baseball view of it(this isn't a Yankee hate post). But would I be surprised if they some how pulled it out and made a run? No lol.

[jacksonianmarch]

They still have the pitching, which should keep them in games nearly every night.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Lol

[jacksonianmarch]

LOL at the pitching, or LOL at me making that comment, or both? I said they should be in games nearly every night, I didnt say they'd win games every night. Without Grandy, ARod, and Tex, this team is in trouble offensively

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

The fact that if the Red Sox lost at least one key player, you'd say we're doomed overall. The Yankees have some question marks on pitching. You don't know how some players are going to perform. I get that you're being optimistic, but it's just funny to see your reaction depending on what team it is.

[jacksonianmarch]

The fact that if the Red Sox lost at least one key player, you'd say we're doomed overall. The Yankees have some question marks on pitching. You don't know how some players are going to perform. I get that you're being optimistic, but it's just funny to see your reaction depending on what team it is.

 

You can create a question mark anywhere you want. I still think the Yankees staff will end up being one of the best in baseball. But without our offense, we're going to be playing a lot of 3-2 games this yr

[mvp 78]

You can create a question mark anywhere you want. I still think the Yankees staff will end up being one of the best in baseball. But without our offense, we're going to be playing a lot of 3-2 games this yr

 

The only way your staff would struggle is if CC got hit by a bus.

 

I still think it's the Yanks division to lose.

[SoxFanForsyth]

With Tex, Granderson, and ARod out for varying times, not to mention questions on performance once they return (wrists zap power), Youk with a history of a balky hip, Jeter coming off a broken ankle and Mo coming off a torn knee, going with a rookie catcher, and Hughes having a bulging disc, not to mention Nova isn't exactly coming off a stellar year, I can't see this being the Yankees division to lose.

 

Certainly not with the additions and, at least for now, health of the Jays and Sox. And the SP of the Rays, though I peg them as a bottom half team this year, but they always surprise.

[mvp 78]

How many times have the Yankees been left out of the playoffs since 96?

 

For all the flaws you can find with the Yanks, you can find more on every other team in the ALE.

[SoxFanForsyth]

How many times have the Yankees been left out of the playoffs since 96?

 

For all the flaws you can find with the Yanks, you can find more on every other team in the ALE.

 

This argument is just statistical noise. Just because they had previous success, that has no bearing on 2013 at all whatsoever.

[Palodios]

How many times have the Yankees been left out of the playoffs since 96?

 

For all the flaws you can find with the Yanks, you can find more on every other team in the ALE.

 

Well, they did finish in last place in 1990. Who knows, miracles do happen.

[mvp 78]

This argument is just statistical noise. Just because they had previous success, that has no bearing on 2013 at all whatsoever.

 

So that fact that they are ALWAYS good is just statistical noise? Hahahahahaha...

 

People have been calling for an end to the Yanks dynasty for over a decade. Until it happens, the smart money is to bet on them year in and year out...

[jacksonianmarch]

This argument is just statistical noise. Just because they had previous success, that has no bearing on 2013 at all whatsoever.

 

This argument flies int he face of your point, hence you call it noise. The Yankees will still be there come the end of the season. I will rub it in your face and own your sig.

[SoxFanForsyth]

This argument flies int he face of your point, hence you call it noise. The Yankees will still be there come the end of the season. I will rub it in your face and own your sig.

 

The fact that the Yankees made the PS in 1998 has zero bearing on 2013.

 

The fact that the Yankees made the PS in 2012 has no bearing on 2013. Especially with the amount of turnover, injuries, and upgrades in the AL East.