Should we keep Ellsbury or trade him?

[SeanJohn93]

I would much rather prefer the Red Sox trade Ellsbury rather than let him walk in free agency due to the fact that Boras is his agent and knowing him due to past and current clients (ie. JD Drew, Strasburg) he will ask for the moon and stars and will never suggest that his client sign a contract extension in the middle of the year. Boras always waits until the offseason to deal with contract matters. With that out of the way, the media has always linked Ellsbury's name as a trading chip for Seattle's Felix Hernandez, whom is off the market according to a source with the Mariners organization. The Red Sox will not retain Ellsbury and they should trade him. What I am interested in finding out is how the rest of the league values him and what he could bring back to the Sox.

[SeanJohn93]

Update: Recent talk of the Sox talking to Rangers about trading Ellsbury for their ss Elvis Andrus. This could possible end the hole that the Sox have had ever since Nomar left.

[wyo-sox]

Where did you hear the Texas rumor?

[SeanJohn93]

98.5 the sports hub only mentioned briefly

[SoxFanForsyth]

Texas and Arizona match up entirely too well to not get a deal done involving Justin Upton for Elvis Andrus.

[SeanJohn93]

Justin Upton has a lot more value than Andrus the Diamondbacks would be better off giving Stephen Drew a short term deal because he is better than Andrus

[DocHolliday]

Justin Upton has a lot more value than Andrus the Diamondbacks would be better off giving Stephen Drew a short term deal because he is better than Andrus

 

Stephen Drew is with Oakland now. If it wasn't for Crisp and the other late inning heroics last night, Drew would be the goat of that series for being thrown out at 3rd with no outs in the 6th.

 

As far as the deal with Texas, it would make no sense for the Red Sox to trade Ellsbury for Andrus simply because they have such depth at SS in the org. If they have to, they can let Iglesias play SS next year while Boegarts progresses in his development.

 

The only guy I'd want coming to Boston in a deal for Ellsbury is Mike Olt (they won't trade Profar). Mike Olt would fill the 1B vacancy and has a lot of upside to be a big time player. Only way Ellsbury gets dealt to Texas IMO is if he will agree to a LT extension with the Rangers. The Rangers wouldn't just give up a prime player like Andrus or an up and comer like Olt for 1 guaranteed year of Ellsbury.

[Palodios]

The crazy part about Ellsbury is that teams are unwilling to give anything of value for him, yet Boras seems to want 300 million dollars.

[SoxSport]

They need to get a frontline pitcher for Ellsbury. He is their biggest trade chip. Pitching is their biggest need.

[SCM33]

The crazy part about Ellsbury is that teams are unwilling to give anything of value for him, yet Boras seems to want 300 million dollars.

 

Because he hasn't proven anything, and this year made his career year look like a fluke. The only thing he has proven, is that he can't stay healthy.

 

They need to get a frontline pitcher for Ellsbury. He is their biggest trade chip. Pitching is their biggest need.

 

Well, he is only worth what other teams will pay. If they don't value him as much as the RedSox or Boras does, then they arent going to get anything for him.

[Plumpamania]

I'm down for trading Ellsbury in a heartbeat. I'd prefer a 1B or SP in return if possible, but Ellsbury's health kills his value on the trade market. We would need a team desperate for an OF to go for it.

 

Texas is a possibility, but I wouldn't want Andrus in return due to Bogaerts. I'd prefer Perez or something of his nature.

[v2freak]

Because he hasn't proven anything, and this year made his career year look like a fluke. The only thing he has proven, is that he can't stay healthy.

 

 

 

Well, he is only worth what other teams will pay. If they don't value him as much as the RedSox or Boras does, then they arent going to get anything for him.

 

I'm always curious when people say things like this. Are we speculating that if the opposing team's player fell on a Red Sox guy other than Ells, that Sox player wouldn't have missed time?

Maybe we should chalk some things as just plain miserable luck

[a700hitter]

I'm always curious when people say things like this. Are we speculating that if the opposing team's player fell on a Red Sox guy other than Ells, that Sox player wouldn't have missed time?

Maybe we should chalk some things as just plain miserable luck

If Ellsbury slid properly with his arms and hands in front of him and in the air, he would not have dislocated his shoulder. He put himself in a vulnerable position with a slide that was fundamentally very poor.

[rjortiz]

The recent FO comments about competing next year suggests that Ellsbury will be on the block.

[Station 13]

The recent FO comments about competing next year suggests that Ellsbury will be on the block.

 

Where?

[rjortiz]

Cherington isn't sure if the Red Sox will contend in 2013 and wouldn't offer a timetable, but insists that they will get back to winning at some point, Lauber tweets.

The GM acknowledged that he didn't do enough to "help stabilize" the starting rotation last winter, MacPherson tweets. Cherington went on to say that the team's struggles in 2012 could not simply be blamed on injuries (Twitter link).

[Designated Hater]

Is this a real question?

 

Absolutely trade him. Jacoby is as strong as tissue paper and will only be a problem as he inches closer to his free agency date. f*** Boras and let Jacoby be another team's problem. His value obviously isn't as high as it was a year ago because -yet again-he sat out most of this season, but he still has value and you'll be able to get something half decent for him, say prospects or a good replacement for all those dopes you traded to LA.

 

Get Jacoby out of town.

[a700hitter]

Is this a real question?

 

Absolutely trade him. Jacoby is as strong as tissue paper and will only be a problem as he inches closer to his free agency date. f*** Boras and let Jacoby be another team's problem. His value obviously isn't as high as it was a year ago because -yet again-he sat out most of this season, but he still has value and you'll be able to get something half decent for him, say prospects or a good replacement for all those dopes you traded to LA.

 

Get Jacoby out of town.

He's a tremendous talent. Bradley might be a really good ballplayer, I'll need to see him playing with the big boys before I am ready to say that he has that level of talent. The only thing Ells doesn't have is a strong arm. His other tools are plus and his speed is a lethal weapon.

[Behindenemylines]

I wonder what trade value Ellsbury has? We all know that when healthy Ellsbury is a talented player, but because he was hurt last year and didn't play a lot are teams going to offer value in return. Add on top of that its his walk year and teams that would trade for him have to deal with Boras after the 2013 season. If the Sox keep Ellsbury and he has a monster season like 2011 he is going to ask for the moon which will most likely lead to him leaving. This is a tough call for the Sox. It would be a lot easier if we knew Bradley was ready to go.

[mvp 78]

Trade him for someone who can actually play a full season, but preferably as part of a deal for a real SP.

[iortiz]

Trade him for a SP...

[iortiz]

Trade him for someone who can actually play a full season, but preferably as part of a deal for a real SP.

This!

[Spitball]

It is basically not really up to the Red Sox. I believe their hand will be dictated by circumstances beyond their control.

 

It is unlikely that Boras will let Ellsbury sign an extension before the outfielder hits free agency. The Boras factor also really hurts his trade value.

 

It is also unfortunate for the Sox that Ellsbury is coming off an injury shortened season. Teams won't pay actual value for one season that might be cut short by injury.

 

The Sox might be forced to hold onto Ellsbury for 2013. If he proves he is healthy and productive, he may have better trade value at the trade deadline.

 

Perhaps the Rangers will lose Hamilton and be desperate for a centerfielder. Profar would be a great return, but I am just being wishful.

[example1]

I've been one of Ellsbury's biggest fans over the years, but I'm leaning toward moving him. He has the ability to be an elite player, but how elite has he truly been? He had one great year, and a few streaks of being excellent, but would we say he's at the caliber of the best players in the league? Yet he's going to want the money that Miguel Cabrera or Ryan Braun deserve. All things being equal, I'd prefer him to be on the Sox, but if he's leaving eventually or demanding considerably more than he's shown he is worth, they have to maximize his value.

[Plumpamania]

Maybe someone in Boston or with Extra Innings can confirm. But I was reading over the years he would get boo'd for not running out groundballs ect, like he had a little 'diva' to him, but this was all before his MVP season.

[Spitball]

Maybe someone in Boston or with Extra Innings can confirm. But I was reading over the years he would get boo'd for not running out groundballs ect, like he had a little 'diva' to him, but this was all before his MVP season.

 

Ellsbury is not even close to being guilty of not hustling. He has had an excellent attitude in his time in Boston. Where are you getting this story? Do you have a link?

 

Btw, he has never been the MVP.

[Behindenemylines]

If Rangers trade for Ellsbury the names I've heard are SS Andrus (Not Profar) and SP D. Holland. If Rangers let Hamilton walk this trade could get some legs. The Rangers short post season run makes them ready to make some bold moves. Hopefully, a trade of Ellsbury would bring back some quality pieces.

[Plumpamania]

Spitball I know he was never an MVP I'm sorry for not bein super serious with my grammar here but we all know he had one good season where he was in contention for an MVP award. I'll make sure to always make sure everything I say is 100% black and white since everyone seems to nitpick. When did these forums turn onto grammar nazis instead of a good discussion website?

[SoxSport]

Cherington gets stroked these days by Henry because Henry knows he turned the money off last fall, and Cherington couldn't spend. Unfortunately, Ben made some bad decisions which killed their pitching for the year--moving Bard to starter and making some bad trades. The retread pitchers he picked up hurt more than helped. It was a bad year for him, but part of that was Henry's fault, which is why Ben is still around.

 

Ben has yet to show he can handle the reins of turning this team around. It's a big job, and he isn't exactly a bold decision maker. It doesn't match his apparent personality. James will help, along with the other advisors added. I hope they add a few other saber consultants they let go the last few years--which was the start of their problems. My guess is James et al will have some weight in the decison-making. Henry is saving some money not replacing Epstein at the VP level, but it has cost him.

 

Ellsbury? oh yeah. Trade him for a frontline pitcher. It's about the pitching.

[Plumpamania]

Cherington was never handed the reigns in full for the team, so of course we cannot say whether or not he can handle it.

 

Ellsbury needs to go though, and I agree with that sentiment.