Valentine Fired

[a700hitter]

Per Facebook

 

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[wyo-sox]

Later Bobby!

[Beecke]

I guess with 93 losses it had to happen anyway. But for the future I can only hope that we will have a team to watch again, where the players keep their heads down and just do their job. I really didn?t like the supposed unrest in the locker room these last two years, in fact I despised it, especially since their on-field play did not warrant any kind of talk.

 

What is a good way to go now for a replacement? I have no idea what the plan is now in terms of how exactly they want to do the whole rebuild.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

I don't want to say 'good', because I don't like to campaign for people to get fired... but it had to happen.

 

Doesn't matter that much who the next manager is, we're not going to be any good next year, unless management makes a few knee-jerk big budget signings, which will just restart this whole process.

[a700hitter]

The manager cannot survive a season like this.

[iortiz]

I bet BC or/and LL is/are next...

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

ON ESPN, Francona just recommended Farrell, Hale, Mills, and Bogar for the job.

[Peakbagr]

The GM and maybe the management team should go as well. Bobby wasn't Ben's choice, he got stuck with coaches he didn't want and tryed to work with a team that was going down in flames from last season, and had to manage with an epic number of injuries.

Sure, Bobby gave himself some self-inflicted wounds, like Youk and others, but Cherington should be shown the same door.

He's still a #2 man in the front office and doing on the job training with the Sox.

[kapsis21]

i dont care if BV BC LL gets fired. get Josh Johnson somehow that would be a start.

can Aceves be trusted to start next year? he just imploded the moment he was put in closing role and never really got his groove back.

[kapsis21]

ON ESPN, Francona just recommended Farrell, Hale, Mills, and Bogar for the job.

 

Brad Mills cannot do anything to this team. we need a Cito Gaston type guy someone who doesnt need to work to get respect in the clubhouse.

[example1]

I bet BC or/and LL is/are next...

 

Maybe BC, but isn't LL a part owner? Wouldn't that take some sort of buyout?

[v2freak]

Bobby V got fired cause the front office built a horrible team? The manager wasn't the one out there giving up 5 runs in the first inning or the guy popping out with a runner on 3rd and no outs.

[Elktonnick]

Maybe BC, but isn't LL a part owner? Wouldn't that take some sort of buyout?

 

LL is listed as part of the ownership group. The percentage of shares owned by each is not listed. I would presume that LL has some equity stake but that would be an assumption. In any case despite the bad year(s) why would any corporate head want to get rid of Lucchino. Like what they used to say about Meyer Lansky, "He has always made his partners lots of money."

[justRog]

:thumbsup: "Thank You God"

[jung]

I don't think any of the retreads should be brought in as manager here.

[BornToRun]

Well, that certainly didn't take long.

[VA Sox Fan]

I was waiting for this WONDERFUL news all morning. Found out when I was at a DDS appt by a text from my nephew! YIPEEEEEEEEE!!! :thumbsup:

[wyo-sox]

I guess I knew this was coming, I agree it was the right thing to do- but I do not find myself the least bit excited. Does this make the team any better next year? I do not care who they hire as the next manager, with the current pitchers we have we will still be a bunch of losers next year. If any of the current players did not perform well because they did not like Bobby then they also to go as they are to fair weathered to build around.

[jung]

Happy to see V go. As mentioned before I cannot for the life of me understand how a guy that continually uses a sarcastic tone and speaks in code can be any sort of manager or coach.

 

V has set some sort of poor communications history as a manager that will be hard to duplicate by anybody. We found out today that when V aired out Aviles in spring training about his execution of the cut-off play, Aviles had not even been given the instructions from the coaching staff regarding how V wanted the cut-off play executed. How many times after that did we hear the same thing over and over and over again. V thinks something is done and it is not done. How many times did V need to be beaten over the head with this communications issue before finally deciding that he should ask questions first and then shoot later?

 

Now I hear the Sox are still after Farrell, I guess because he is a known quantity. He is a known quantity as a pitching coach. Farrell has not covered himself in glory as a manager.

 

Why can't these guys get out of their way? They make an incredibly risky manager hire in V likely for all the wrong reasons cause you cannot convince me in a million years that V was hired on his strengths as a manager given his particular situation or on the strength of an actual process including interview. They go from that to trying to make what they perceive to be the safest possible move...for what reason I do not know. Also, if they are settled on pursuing Farrell, how is that any different from nullifying BC's managerial search process when they hired V? Maybe BC is more on board with hiring Farrell than he was with hiring V but it still sounds like the same ********. Lets call this a search process when in fact it is simply filling out the paperwork on a decision that has already been made.

 

I hope they do not land Farrell for any number of reasons, not the least of which that it smacks of having no process at all AGAIN!

[Elktonnick]

Happy to see V go. As mentioned before I cannot for the life of me understand how a guy that continually uses a sarcastic tone and speaks in code can be any sort of manager or coach.

 

V has set some sort of poor communications history as a manager that will be hard to duplicate by anybody. We found out today that when V aired out Aviles in spring training about his execution of the cut-off play, Aviles had not even been given the instructions from the coaching staff regarding how V wanted the cut-off play executed. How many times after that did we hear the same thing over and over and over again. V thinks something is done and it is not done. How many times did V need to be beaten over the head with this communications issue before finally deciding that he should ask questions first and then shoot later?

 

Now I hear the Sox are still after Farrell, I guess because he is a known quantity. He is a known quantity as a pitching coach. Farrell has not covered himself in glory as a manager.

 

Why can't these guys get out of their way? They make an incredibly risky manager hire in V likely for all the wrong reasons cause you cannot convince me in a million years that V was hired on his strengths as a manager given his particular situation or on the strength of an actual process including interview. They go from that to trying to make what they perceive to be the safest possible move...for what reason I do not know. Also, if they are settled on pursuing Farrell, how is that any different from nullifying BC's managerial search process when they hired V? Maybe BC is more on board with hiring Farrell than he was with hiring V but it still sounds like the same ********. Lets call this a search process when in fact it is simply filling out the paperwork on a decision that has already been made.

 

I hope they do not land Farrell for any number of reasons, not the least of which that it smacks of having no process at all AGAIN!

 

I seems every time the FO covets some player or personnel move it turns out badly. They coveted Renteria, Lugo, Crawford, Gonzales and now Farrell. In this case, I'd wish they would conduct a legitimate search without preconceptions and go get the best man for the job. There are better choices out there.

[mvp 78]

Now when is the mea culpa (sp?) from all the posters who thought BV was the right choice?

[Youk Of The Nation]

Correct spelling, incorrect usage. Mea Culpa translates as "my fault" or "my mistake", but is meant to be applied to situations in which the person saying it actually committed the error. In this case, the mea culpa belongs to Cherington. The posters here who thought he was the correct choice (were there any? I can't remember anyone actually supporting the choice) should stick with the plain old English "I was wrong because I am uncool".

[mvp 78]

The mea culpa would belong to LL then as he wasn't Ben's pick.

[wyo-sox]

Correct spelling, incorrect usage. Mea Culpa translates as "my fault" or "my mistake", but is meant to be applied to situations in which the person saying it actually committed the error. In this case, the mea culpa belongs to Cherington. The posters here who thought he was the correct choice (were there any? I can't remember anyone actually supporting the choice) should stick with the plain old English "I was wrong because I am uncool".

 

I will admit, I had posted I thought Valentine was the right choice. Im sure I was not the only one, but I will admit I was wrong. While he obviously did not work out, I think he was only a very small part of the suck ass ness of the Sox.

[Behindenemylines]

BV had no chance. Between the injuries, flawed roster and some coaches not of his chosing he was bound to fail. Add on top of that BV always pours gasoline on the fire. For the media it was open season on BV. With that said he had to go and we need a new manager in place before Nov. 1.

[Elktonnick]

I wanted BV well before he was annouced. I was glad he was hired. I am still glad that he was hired. Why because as I argued at the time BV was a transitional figure. I posted that I never thought he would last more than two years. This team was a mess last year. The FO was in deep denial. They needed a change agent. BV ws the agent of change. What happened needed to be done. My only regret is that Henry has decided to keep Cherrington who is incompetent. It will become increasingly obvious just how over his head he is in the coming months. I am not afraid to make such a prediction.

[redsoxrules]

Can't blame BV, No Manager would of done any better with the team they had on the field.

[VA Sox Fan]

LL wanted BV. Cherington did not. Mistake from the beginning. I felt that but hoped for the best. Tito would have managed more wins with all of the problems.

 

Worst record since 1965?

 

There is a reason BV hadn't managed in the MLB for so long.

 

Looking forward now to the off season. I wish LL would disappear but, not gonna happen.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Can't blame BV, No Manager would of done any better with the team they had on the field.

 

Agreed, this team was BRUTAL.

[Spitball]

Can't blame BV, No Manager would of done any better with the team they had on the field.

 

Sorry, but I don't agree. The Sox had a very similar team to 2011, and that team was 90-72. Granted, Gonzalez, Crawford, and Beckett disappeared in August, but this was still a talented and expensive team.

 

The team had problems. There was no doubt about that...and that is exactly why, without question, Bobby Valentine was brought to Boston to manage. There was never a time in which we were told Valentine would have it easy. Actually, I can't think of a time a manager was ever brought in to replace a fired manager when anyone thought it would be easy. That is not how it works.

 

Bobby Valentine was hired to right the ship, and he absolutely failed to do it. I think the "no one could have done better" theory is absolutely wrong. The Red Sox were talented and in no way a last place team.