10/2 vs Yankees

[DocHolliday]

One more day until this disgrace of a season is over.

 

Been the same story since Opening Day - they could have just ended the season in Detroit and saved us all a lot of wasted time and misery.

[Station 13]

Iggy and Lavarnway need to go home. Been worthless. Absolutely worthless.

 

There is Tazawa that inspires you how he went undrafted 3 times, play in indie ball, and make a leap to proball in the west. He was the first (?) to do so without ever playing for a professional club in Japan.

 

The season sucks and just 1 more day they can fire EVERYONE, or just about everyone.

[dsd420]

A lot of money, true. There have just been so many bad moves the last few years that it's hard to muster much confidence that they will suddenly start making a series of good moves.

 

I guess that's the difference between us Os fans and red sox fans but I don't think it was bad moves that hurt the sox but injuries and terrible motivation

[iortiz]

This team is a joke.

[Bellhorn04]

Wow, I turn on the tv, I'm watching less than ten seconds, and its game over. Lots of damage to the Yankee bullpen though.

 

Best case scenario: If the Red Sox win a tough fought bullpen game tomorrow, the Orioles pull out a win.... The Yankees are going to be in one hell of a week, with an AL East tiebreaker, and possibly a wild card game immediately after that.

 

Not gonna happen Palodios. We've got Dice-K starting tomorrow. We had our chance tonight and Bailey puked it up.

[jung]

Imagine not selling Gonzo????...the poster child for useless RBI's. Mr has left more runners in scoring position than anybody in baseball...please. Frankly now that he has such little HR power I don't know what anybody is going to do with Gonzo. You don't want him on the base paths cause he is a walking traffic jam and you don't want to remove him late in games cause he is a great defensive 1st baseman. If Gonzo cannot hit HR's at the rate of about 30 per year his value is severely diminished. I don't think he would have ever hit them at that rate here again and may never hit them at that rate anywhere again.

 

Scutaro...what has Scutaro got to do with any of this. They saved money on Paps and dumped salary with Scutaro....you maybe could argue that they would have needed the Scutaro salary dump more if they kept Paps but they didn't. Who knows what they had in mind when they dumped Suctaro.

 

"A" solid starting pitcher would have been inserted were....2,,,,3,,,,4,,,,where? You are telling me that Lester is still your 1 and Beckett is still your 2 and you are going anyplace?

 

One solid starting pitcher would have made a difference but not enough of a difference and one solid pitcher and Paps would not have gotten it done either nor would one solid starting pitcher, and Paps and Riddick. You still have lame assed Salty as your catcher, Aviles as your SS, Mr No Power AGons as your 1st baseman and your One more solid starting pitcher is in fact your "ONLY" solid starting pitcher because none of the rest of them were solid.

 

This team is a mess because it failed to spend money on personnel wisely from the Beckett extension through the Crawford signing and that includes, AGons, Crawford, Jenks, Lackey, Cameron. All of them were either bad signings or bad fits for the Red Sox. In some cases they were both bad fits and bad signings. It traded off prospects that should be on this team now or soon to be on it leaving a big hole in the train of players coming up from the system, either trading players or leaving them to languish in the minors while their core ML players simply grew older.

 

If you want to talk about a set of player moves that cascaded through the team then you have to talk about moving Youk to 3rd. That is the move that did create a number of other moves that really turned out to be failures for this team. Whether Crawford and AGons go on to be successes somewhere else, they were failures here and examples of our dumb assed FO being willing to give guys all the money regardless of their physical condition and a slew of other elements that were simply discounted as irrelevant. But the Sox got to make their big glamor signings again and again and again, signing names instead of players that could fit on this team.

[iortiz]

Wasn't Gonzo outstanding in the 2nd half until he left? Look what Pap, Buehrle, Kuroda, Reddick, Scu have done in their teams, regardless what Bard and Aceves would have done in their habitual roles (and what is worst, our great FO probably f***ed up their careers).

 

No jung, I do not have a crystal ball, but I bet the scenario would have been different, an probably with a chance to make a better paper.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

This team is a joke.

 

This organization is a f***ing joke. Thanks to all these dickheads for throwing out these trash ass players. Something better be done this offseason. There is NO excuse. We have enough money getting rid of those contracts. Stop being cheap and get this s*** done. I'm not buyin MLB TV this year if they don't make some serious changes. I'm not paying to watch this disgrace of a team be the laughing stock of the MLB. Fix this lame ass team and f*** this rebuilding s***. We can't afford to throw these s***** ass players again next season. This years team makes me absolutely sick. What makes me even sicker is that the Marlins actually have a chance to have a better recordthan us. If that happens I lose 200 bucks that should have been an easy win. f*** thos team and f*** thos organization. Open your eyes ****s and look what you did you bastards.

[dsd420]

This organization is a f***ing joke. Thanks to all these dickheads for throwing out these trash ass players. Something better be done this offseason. There is NO excuse. We have enough money getting rid of those contracts. Stop being cheap and get this s*** done. I'm not buyin MLB TV this year if they don't make some serious changes. I'm not paying to watch this disgrace of a team be the laughing stock of the MLB. Fix this lame ass team and f*** this rebuilding s***. We can't afford to throw these s***** ass players again next season. This years team makes me absolutely sick. What makes me even sicker is that the Marlins actually have a chance to have a better recordthan us. If that happens I lose 200 bucks that should have been an easy win. f*** thos team and f*** thos organization. Open your eyes ****s and look what you did you bastards.

 

What a bitch ass pussy. That's baseball for

Every other team other than than the yanks. f*** the yanks

[iortiz]

This organization is a f***ing joke. Thanks to all these dickheads for throwing out these trash ass players. Something better be done this offseason. There is NO excuse. We have enough money getting rid of those contracts. Stop being cheap and get this s*** done. I'm not buyin MLB TV this year if they don't make some serious changes. I'm not paying to watch this disgrace of a team be the laughing stock of the MLB. Fix this lame ass team and f*** this rebuilding s***. We can't afford to throw these s***** ass players again next season. This years team makes me absolutely sick. What makes me even sicker is that the Marlins actually have a chance to have a better recordthan us. If that happens I lose 200 bucks that should have been an easy win. f*** thos team and f*** thos organization. Open your eyes ****s and look what you did you bastards.

 

 

How are u Mike?, been a time since we exchange an opinion my friend, hopefully everything is going well with you.

 

I'm absolutely agree with u. Hopefully we start cleaning up the FO and hire a guy like Friedman.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I'm good thanks for asking, could be better. College life and work make it impossible for me to have a social life. Red Sox don't make things any better.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I think the Red Sox screwing me over with my tickets was meant to be. It was a sign that I would have traveled to Boston to watch the Yankees eat out lunch.

[jung]

No Gonzo was not outstanding until he left because he was still unable to accomplish his primary role at the plate and has not done it in LA either. Gonzo has to be a power hitter. If Gonzo cannot hit HR's at a rate around 30 plus per year then he is not getting it done. It does not matter if he leads the league in doubles blah blah blah. He must be a true power hitter and he must be a timely power hitter as well. He has been neither. He has hit 12 HR in the second half which is an average of 24 per year. He has hit 3 in 34 games in LA which would actually be even less. At that rate he will hit 16 per year.

 

Gonzo has become an overgrown version of Wade Boggs and that will not get it done. It just won't.

 

I actually expected AGons to do better back in the NL but so far that has not been the case. Whatever he does in the NL, I do not think he ever would have enjoyed success here and now I am really beginning to wonder if he will ever be the kind of hitter he once was. He is not doing at all better in the NL at least so far.

[Station 13]

The bullpen has 3 collapse against the Yankees. They'd be 3 out games and not in the playoff had the relievers not choked.

[BOSOX11]

If it's any consulation, the Dodgers just lost to SF, so Beckett, A-Gon and Punto will be at home watching the post-season on TV like the rest of us....

[jung]

AGons, Beckett and Punto share the ignominious fate of having been part of the disappointment of two franchises in one season and from what has been posted have not gone unnoticed as having contributed next to nothing positive to the effort by the fans of the Dodgers. LA was three games out of the WC the day of the big trade and today they are.......three games out of the WC while being 250M or so lighter in the pocketbook.

 

While I don't expect LA to have the same kind of visceral reaction to it that Sox fans would have, I do expect that ultimately the day those three bozos showed up in LA will eventually be known as the day the music stopped or something equally depressing for LA fans.

[jung]

AGons, Beckett and Punto share the ignominious fate of having been part of the disappointment of two franchises in one season and from what has been posted have not gone unnoticed as having contributed next to nothing positive to the effort by the fans of the Dodgers. LA was three games out of the WC the day of the big trade and today they are.......three games out of the WC while being 250M or so lighter in the pocketbook.

 

While I don't expect LA to have the same kind of visceral reaction to it that Sox fans would have, I do expect that ultimately the day those three bozos showed up in LA will eventually be known as the day the music stopped or something equally depressing for LA fans.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

If it's any consulation, the Dodgers just lost to SF, so Beckett, A-Gon and Punto will be at home watching the post-season on TV like the rest of us....

 

It might be just me but I didn't really care whether the Dodgers made the playoffs or not.

[mvp 78]

Did people actually expect them to win any games after the AGon trade? They clearly gave up on the season so that they could fix the core issues of this team. I'm not understanding all this anger.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I knew the season was over but seeing this team lose 92 games is tough. From my time of being a Sox fan I've never really witnessed anything like it.

[a700hitter]

I knew the season was over but seeing this team lose 92 games is tough. From my time of being a Sox fan I've never really witnessed anything like it.

I have been a diehard fan for 46 years and I have never seen anything this bad. It speaks volumes. The organization can't be criticized enough. I have seen this team rebuilt many times in those 46 years, and it has never been this bad. There is no excuse for this disgrace if you are not a small market team. They have rally damaged the franchise in the last 2 years. They have been so bad that many fans just dion't care about them anymore. It took a long time to build this loyal cash cow fanbase. It's been building for 46 years, and these last 2 seasons have been like droipping an A Bomb on everything they built. They did a very poor job of guarding their most valuable asset-- the onfield product.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Lots and lots of rustled jimmies in this thread.

[Elktonnick]

I have been a diehard fan for 46 years and I have never seen anything this bad. It speaks volumes. The organization can't be criticized enough. I have seen this team rebuilt many times in those 46 years, and it has never been this bad. There is no excuse for this disgrace if you are not a small market team. They have rally damaged the franchise in the last 2 years. They have been so bad that many fans just dion't care about them anymore. It took a long time to build this loyal cash cow fanbase. It's been building for 46 years, and these last 2 seasons have been like droipping an A Bomb on everything they built. They did a very poor job of guarding their most valuable asset-- the onfield product.

 

I think the early sixties were worse actually. What makes this so irritating was they had an opportunity to make a major reset over last winter and blew it. The disaster that was the onfield product is merely a reflection of the dysfunction that was in the FO. Until they straighten that mess out, I don't see the onfield product getting any better.

[iortiz]

Did people actually expect them to win any games after the AGon trade? They clearly gave up on the season so that they could fix the core issues of this team. I'm not understanding all this anger.

 

We should have won this one. Forget the numbers or the people that gone. We should have won this one and at least screw up the aspirations of NY to win the division title.

 

This was the cherry on the cake that missed in this miserable season. :thumbdown

[a700hitter]

We should have won this one. Forget the numbers or the people that gone. We should have won this one and at least screw up the aspirations of NY to win the division title.

 

This was the cherry on the cake that missed in this miserable season. :thumbdown

Bailey is the closer that management wanted. He was on the mound with a 2 run lead and no one on base against the Yankees with the opportunity to throw a wrench into the Yankee's season. At that point, the lack of offense and the trades were all irrelevant. If he had done the job we had expected from him, the Yanks would be in a divisional tie. He didn't do his job. He has no excuse. He didn't even put up a good fight. The game was tied after he faced two batters.

[Station 13]

Bailey has been s***** all season.

[jung]

I am struggling to remember such a pitiful performance by a closer other than Aceves and some of his laughable efforts.

 

In Aceves case, he has that massive chip on his shoulder that he must carry out to the mound with him every stint. Bailey does not have that issue to deal with yet simply went out there and tossed up doughnut after doughnut, seemingly without even a wit of an idea what he was doing or the opportunity that he had in front of him.

 

While most times the Sox do no longer field a competitive lineup that was not necessarily a bad lineup last night. It put the guy that was supposed to be the closer for this team from day one on the mound with a 2 run lead. What more could we possibly have asked for.

 

I still think there is a silver lining...I don't see how you even allow Bailey to compete for the position next season. He would be taking away time from somebody more worthy of a chance to compete for the job. Better to know for certain what we have now then live through a season of Bailey.

[BOSOX11]

It might be just me but I didn't really care whether the Dodgers made the playoffs or not.

 

Neither do I.....

[jacksonianmarch]

Bailey needs a full spring training and should be in the competition next yr, but shouldnt be handed the job. My guess is the sox sign a fallen veteran to an incentive laden 1 yr deal (like Soria). Then have him compete with Bailey for the top spot in the pen

[Station 13]

Bailey needs a full spring training and should be in the competition next yr, but shouldnt be handed the job. My guess is the sox sign a fallen veteran to an incentive laden 1 yr deal (like Soria). Then have him compete with Bailey for the top spot in the pen

 

Dear lord, I hope not.

 

We been down that recently with Gagne and Jenks.