Next Manager

[redsoxfan3]

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/18/red-sox-blue-jays-talking-compensation-for-john-farrell/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

Looks like the Sox are gonna try to get an interview with Farrell.

 

This has been the trend on Twitter today. All of the Farrell compensation talk. I am not against interviewing him, but I sure as hell would not give up a good prospect for him.

[wyo-sox]

The more I think about it I don't like the idea of Farrell. I just think it's really important to hire someone with no past connections. They need such a serious "reset". Bring in an outsider, create a new team.

[Behindenemylines]

The more I think about it I don't like the idea of Farrell. I just think it's really important to hire someone with no past connections. They need such a serious "reset". Bring in an outsider, create a new team.

 

I agree with you. If the Sox give up anything of value to get Farrell the FO is starting the rebuild the wrong way.

[jung]

Don't want Farrell either. What has happened to the Red Sox as an organization. This happens now with players.... now with a manager selection....seems like the Sox get it into their head that they want to go a certain direction and due diligence goes out the window, any semblance of a process goes out the window.....just suggests so many problems above the play on the field to even begin to count them.

 

Certainly looks like they are going to make a big play for Farrell and I think he could show up for his interview in a trench coat flashing 5 year olds on the way to the front door and the Sox would still come out saying....yup...that's our guy!

[Bellhorn04]

One good thing about hiring Farrell is that a lot of fans, as represented on these forums, have already buried him 6 feet deep. So we'd be way ahead of the game.

[mvp 78]

McAdam said Barnes for Farrell.

 

Are you kidding me??? That would be disgustingly horrible.

[Palodios]

McAdam said Barnes for Farrell.

 

Are you kidding me??? That would be disgustingly horrible.

 

The Farrell talk scares me. I don't know why they're even discussing players of that caliber. They should do the same thing they did when the Blue Jays asked for Buchholz, hang up the f***ing phone. You don't ruin a franchise for a manager, especially when there are other solid candidates available.

[Station 13]

McAdam said Barnes for Farrell.

 

Are you kidding me??? That would be disgustingly horrible.

 

The Boston Media have been f***ing crazy.

[Bellhorn04]

McAdam said Barnes for Farrell.

 

Are you kidding me??? That would be disgustingly horrible.

 

Sounds totally insane to me.

[ibot2much]

We can't even blame Cher for this fixation with JF, although supposedly they get along well. The ownership level is the one that put this together with compensation being left to Cher and the Jays GM ( as says Cafardo this morning in the GLOBE

[jung]

Those two players for Farrell....are they completely and totally out of their minds?

[SoxFanForsyth]

Thank God Sean McAdam is nothing more than a low quality reporter in Boston. He's actually awful. I can't remember the last time he wrote something that had any merit to it.

 

The fact is that if the Blue Jays really wanted Farrell long term, he would have signed a long term deal with the Blue Jays prior to this whole mess. The fact that he hasn't only goes to prove that the Jays don't see him as a long term solution at manager. So now, if the Blue Jays want to try to acquire a guy like Barnes for Farrell, Cherrington will just laugh in AA's face and hire Ausmus or Hale, both of which would be excellent, excellent options.

 

And then, the Blue Jays will be left with absolutely nothing for Farrell outside of another year of mediocrity and another year away from the inevitable, which is Farrell being gone.

 

So, if I'm Cherrington, I tell AA that he can have Stolmy Pimentel, that's it. Final offer. Take it, good. Leave it, fine, I've got Brad Ausmus on the line right now.

[ibot2much]

So now, if the Blue Jays want to try to acquire a guy like Barnes for Farrell, Cherrington will just laugh in AA's face and hire Ausmus or Hale, both of which would be excellent, excellent options.

Surely you are giving Cherrington more credit than he deserves and more power than he has, if you think that is what he WILL do.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Surely you are giving Cherrington more credit than he deserves and more power than he has, if you think that is what he WILL do.

 

Absolutely not. I think Cherrington has a price that he'll pay for Farrell but also knows that the other guys he has on hand (Ausmus and Hale) are both extremely good candidates for the job, so he's not in a pinch at all. If anything, the Red Sox have the upper hand.

 

If the Blue Jays don't give up Farrell, it's going to be a complete s*** show in Toronto. Nobody wants a manager who isn't fully invested into a season, and Farrell, essentially in a 1 year deal now with Toronto, will be looking two steps ahead while managing the Jays. He's going to be paying attention to job openings, etc. Not the Blue Jays. And they know that, which is why a deal will get done but it'll be for a guy with an upside of a middle reliever like Pimentel or Carpenter.

[Behindenemylines]

If the Sox give up someone like Barnes for Farell sh_t will hit the fan. You think the Nation is pissed now after the FO put us through a summer of crap. FO would have to go in hiding. If the Jays say they want a Barnes I hope the Sox laugh and hang up the phone. For a team short on pitching we can't afford to give up one of the best young arms.

[a700hitter]

I don't want Farrell even if he gets fired by the Jays.

[SoxSport]

If they want Farrell, they should wait--he's going to get fired. He's in hot water up there, and they should just wait.

 

They are making a big mistake going after him now. Giving up a good prospect to get him will have fan repercussions.

 

They like this guy because he hit it off with the front office and the owners when he was here. It's a personality thing. I don't think a lot of people were thrilled with his performance as pitching coach.

Nobody made an effort to keep him at the time. Now they want him again.

 

The real problem with this team is the upper management. Lucchino and above. They let the front office go to pot, losing a couple of senior people, and laying off the consultants. Then the team collapses after bad trades and signings, and they blame the manager. Lucchino has made enough mistakes lately to be fired himself. But he's too high to be fired. The organization sucks. And it will still suck with Farrell as manager.

 

A lot of people in this organization feel entitled--right up the line. It isn't just some players.That was evident when Valentine found he was managing in a vacuum.

[Orange Juiced]

I don't want Farrell even if he gets fired by the Jays.

 

I really don't know what to think of the pursuit of the next manager for the Red Sox. Obviously they like Farrell, and it's clear that not being particularly successful in one place does not mean that you can't be successful elsewhere (Torre, Francona, etc.).

 

I want someone who handles people well (to me, that's the #1 job of a manager), who commands the players' respect, and who puts players in the best position to succeed. If that all happens, and the players have talent, the team should do fine.

 

Is Farrell that guy? Who knows. Is Ausmus or Pena a better candidate? Who knows. I don't really know enough about these guys to know how they'd do in all three areas I listed.

 

But the bottom line is this: the players need to stop sucking, regardless of who the manager is.

[Behindenemylines]

It seems like the Sox are really targeting Farrell. They must really think he is a huge step in correcting the pitching problems the Sox experienced in 2012. The Jays are going to ask for the moon, and the FO better not give up the moon. Especially, if that involves a top pitching prospect.

[Palodios]

I don't want Farrell even if he gets fired by the Jays.

 

I absolutely agree with you here. But I think the problem is that year-over-year, not only is this their third manager in three years, they'll have their fourth pitching coach in four years, Dave Magadan just defected, and many of the minor coaches have left/fired.

 

It seems like Tim Bogar is the only coach that has been around any considerable amount of time. There has been so much inconsistency within the team's coaching that Farrell may be their solution.

[mvp 78]

My list in order would be:

 

Ausmus

Wallach

Farrell (no compensation)

Hale

Farrell (compensation)

[SoxFanForsyth]

I'm very interested as to why nobody wants Farrell. It doesn't make sense to me. He's the perfect candidate, IMO. He's already got all the respect in the world for our players. He's already got a relationship with our players.

 

He's a big disciplinarian who is an intimidating force. Plus, all of the team leaders (i.e. Lester, Buchholz, Pedroia, Ortiz) all have huge, huge respect for him and that's where it will filter down.

 

If you want to point out his record, that's complete ********. Francona didn't crack .500 with the Phillies before he was hired by the Sox. Not to mention that Farrell has much, much better relationships with the guys in Boston than the guys in Toronto. And he's got a huge desire to be in Boston.

 

To me, he's baseball's version of Bill Belichick.

[Palodios]

To me, he's baseball's version of Bill Belichick.

 

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

 

I was very turned off with how he treated Dice-k, and how that relationship completely melted down. Manny Delcarmen stated that he was afraid to tell Farrell about one of his injuries. I don't think that's the kind of guy I want handling a team that is going to have a ton of young players in the years to come. Pitchers seemed to leave the Red Sox and turn into elite talent almost immediately.

 

The beer-and-chicken club started under his watch in 2010 as well.

[ibot2much]

I have nothing personal against JF. I feel about him as I felt about Cherrington. The RS needed to clean house and bring in the fresh eye.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

 

I was very turned off with how he treated Dice-k, and how that relationship completely melted down. Manny Delcarmen stated that he was afraid to tell Farrell about one of his injuries. I don't think that's the kind of guy I want handling a team that is going to have a ton of young players in the years to come. Pitchers seemed to leave the Red Sox and turn into elite talent almost immediately.

 

The beer-and-chicken club started under his watch in 2010 as well.

 

DiceK was a rotten talent. He went through Farrel, Curt Young, McClure, and Niemman and never was a good pitcher. In fact, you could argue that his best outings were from 07-10, where he posted a 4.18 ERA over the span of 98 starts. After that, he had 19 starts to a 6.94 ERA. Farrell was hardly an issue with DiceK.

 

I've never heard anything regarding the MDC afraid to admit an injury to Farrell, but that doesn't sound like that's on Farrell, that's on MDC. If he didn't want to admit it to Farrell, he could have spoken with Francona, Tuck, or any number of other coaches and/or medical personnel.

 

As for the beer and chicken, that is easily one of the most overblown thing I've ever seen. The problem wasn't that the Sox had beer and chicken in the clubhouse. That was only the symbol for a team that was quitting. The 04 team took shots before game 4 against the Yankees. Nobody cared about that.

 

The 2010 Red Sox had Buchholz throw to a 2.33 ERA with 17 wins. Lester threw to a 3.25 ERA and had 19 wins. Lackey tossed 215 IP to a 4.40 ERA and had 14 wins.

 

Christ, if that's the kind of production we get with beer and chicken, bring the s*** back.

[mvp 78]

Ok, then bring him back as pitching coach in 2014.

 

I think they need a different voice in there until things turn around.