Future For Ownership

[jacksonianmarch]

It does set them up for a sale

[ibot2much]

Interesting to read what people had to say in January in light of today's activities

[Brennan]

Yup, and a giant volcano will probably develop in Fenway and turn Boston into Pompeii over the course of the next year as well.

[SouthieFanatic]

So John Henry is going to dedicate all his time to Liverpool football now

[Youk Of The Nation]

Sigh.

 

Yeah, I can see how this could be interpreted as prepping for a sale. It wouldn't be all that surprising if they did sell the team. I don't honestly care all that much about who owns the team, as long as they care. Sometimes it has almost seemed as if Henry didn't care anymore. If the Sox got new owners who acted like the new group that bought the Dodgers or whatever, all the better.

[SouthieFanatic]

We need somebody with ties to Qatar oil as an owner.. Then we'd be in business

[Brennan]

Sigh.

 

Yeah, I can see how this could be interpreted as prepping for a sale. It wouldn't be all that surprising if they did sell the team. I don't honestly care all that much about who owns the team, as long as they care. Sometimes it has almost seemed as if Henry didn't care anymore. If the Sox got new owners who acted like the new group that bought the Dodgers or whatever, all the better.

 

 

 

+1 brother.

 

All that needs to be said on the subject. I wouldn't care if they sold the team to freaking Ronald MacDonald and he sat in the dugout handing out happy meals every night as long as he did the right thing.

[Elktonnick]

Sigh.

 

Yeah, I can see how this could be interpreted as prepping for a sale. It wouldn't be all that surprising if they did sell the team. I don't honestly care all that much about who owns the team, as long as they care. Sometimes it has almost seemed as if Henry didn't care anymore. If the Sox got new owners who acted like the new group that bought the Dodgers or whatever, all the better.

 

As you know I have thought that JH was moving in that direction a year ago. Steve Buckley wondered the same this morning. There are several ownership groups who failed to win the Dodgers franchise and Henry et al could see a 1.5 billion price for the Red Sox as possible. Didn't the Cleveland Browns owner just sell to put more money into his Premier league club.

 

From a business perspective the growth potential is greatly for Liverpool and Premier League football than the Boston Red Sox.

[Youk Of The Nation]

+1 brother.

 

All that needs to be said on the subject. I wouldn't care if they sold the team to freaking Ronald MacDonald and he sat in the dugout handing out happy meals every night as long as he did the right thing.

 

 

 

 

Beer and chicken nuggets?

[TheMeanWalrus]

John Henry has never expressed any interest or desire to sell this team.

THEY MAKE A s*** LOAD OF MONEY

 

The trades that they made with LA have nothing to do with selling the team. It's a rubber stamp on wiping away the disastorous last few years of Theo's tenure. Theo spent the last few years here spending money like a drunken sailor. He devolved from being a GM to being the guy who handed the biggest FA NAMES a blank check and this is what started us down the path to where we are today. Theo started collecting players and stop building teams. There is a huge difference.

[iortiz]

JH era is done. It's clear that the operations and the management in general of this team the last 4 years have not been good to the point to take these recent measures. If i were JH I would sale right away!

[iortiz]

Do you think the owners are looking to sell??

 

Yes.

[SoxSport]

Possible, but gutting all your stars is no way to sell. When Harrington was ready to sell the team, Duquette went out and signed Manny R. to a ridiculous contract.

 

I think in this situation the only way they could unload Beckett and Crawford was to package them with AdGon, whom they didn't want to deal. But the Dodger deal was too good to pass up. A once in a lifetime opportunity to unload a shitload of salary.

[mvp 78]

Do you think the owners are looking to sell??

 

Yes.

 

If they were looking to sell, they wouldn't dump all their high profile players.

[Elktonnick]

If they were looking to sell, they wouldn't dump all their high profile players.

 

If they were looking to sell they would dump 250 million dollars in long term debt and underperforming liabilities

[mvp 78]

Hey, I know this team played like s*** this year. Don't worry, we traded 3 All Stars away. We're good to go now. Buy us. Don't worry, we'll be a WS contender eventually.

 

No one is falling for that sales pitch.

[Thunder]

Hey, I know this team played like s*** this year. Don't worry, we traded 3 All Stars away. We're good to go now. Buy us. Don't worry, we'll be a WS contender eventually.

 

No one is falling for that sales pitch.

 

I am! :thumbsup:

Wait, they didn't trade Aceves.

[example1]

If they don't sell it means that they are serious about this business.

 

Now is the perfect time to sell if they are interested. If they don't they might not see another opportunity like this for a long time, and I'm sure they know it. This is the Haley's Comet of budget opportunities. Fans should be able to infer a really strong commitment to the organization if they stick around.

[Elktonnick]

Hey, I know this team played like s*** this year. Don't worry, we traded 3 All Stars away. We're good to go now. Buy us. Don't worry, we'll be a WS contender eventually.

 

No one is falling for that sales pitch.

 

This was John Henry's deal. It all started between Kasten and Henry when they spoke at the owners meeting. Several groups tried and failed to buy the Dodger's who evantually sold for a over 2 billion dollars. The groups that bid on sports franchises aren't interested in the current rosters. The look at the financials and future room for flexibility. Right now the Red Sox financials are very bright and there is a great deal of flexibility. If Henry is interested in selling, he won't have any trouble finding buyers and he won't have any trouble getting his price. I'd suspect something north of 1.5 billion.

[Designated Hater]

The fact that the Dodgers sold for over 2 BILLION dollars and that this team isn't the Kansas City Royals (regardless of the fact that they have been handing the Red Sox their asses lately), I would say yes, absolutely they are going to try to sell or at least quietly field discussion offers.

 

They just ditched a TON of money that a new ownership group would never want to pick up. They have won twice here. They seemed bored up until Friday evening and then BAM-O.

 

This team will be sold for a ton of bread. The problem is that a new ownership group could walk in here and be WORSE than what is already here. Or maybe they'd be effective (seemingly effective thus far) like the Dodgers ownership.

[Designated Hater]

Hopefully so.

 

They don't seem interested anymore. They won twice. Can you blame them? These are guys (at least Henry) that are used to acquisition, development, and SELL IT BABY. I think we might be entering the SELL IT BABY phase.

 

My only problem is that new ownership could be WORSE than these dopes and then the Red Sox are really screwed. At least they would consider getting rid of Sweet Caroline in the 8th. Please God let that happen.

 

On that note, have any of you been to Sweet Caroline's across the street to tell them that their pub name is f***ing lame?

[SoxSport]

About a quarter of the $2 billion selling price for the Dodgers was Fox TV cable revenue. The TV profit was built into the price. That's what caused Mark Cuban to walk away from buying the Dodgers.

 

The Magic Johnson group that overpaid for the Dodgers is under a lot of pressure--not unlike the Marlins group. They have to win now. And they have to spend to do it. There is only one way to fill the seats--and that's to win.

 

The Red Sox have been badly mismanaged the last few years in the front office. Their biggest problem isn't beer and chicken--or the clubhouse media soapsuds. Their problem was their huge payroll, filled with humungous long term contracts to players not producing anywhere near their salaries.

Well, along came their savior, the LA Dodgers, who were looking to spend on stars in a big way. Henry took care of their problem in about 10 minutes meeting with Kasten, the Dodger President, who will be known in the future as the guy who bailed out the Red Sox.

 

But the Red sox are not out of the woods yet. After all, pretty much the same cast and crew who spent like drunken sailors are being asked to rebuild the team. Risky business, Mr Henry.

[ibot2much]

I heard a number of newspaper guys yesterday repeatedly saying that they can't jump back into the fire by buying every attractive FA who comes up, expecially not long term.

 

Hopefuly there was a lesson learned about longterm free agents....but who knows.

[BornToRun]

I'm going apeshit if Grienke or Hamilton come anywhere near this team.

[a700hitter]

I'm going apeshit if Grienke or Hamilton come anywhere near this team.

If we learned nothing from this trade, we learned that no contract is untradeable. If we signed Greinke and he didn't work out, we could always move an arm like that to another team.

[a700hitter]

I'm going apeshit if Grienke or Hamilton come anywhere near this team.

I don't like Hamilton's streakiness and his proneness to injury, but I would not worried that his drinking and drugs issue would be brought on by the pressures of playing in Boston. He can handle the pressures of baseball. If baseball was all there was to life, he'd have no problems. That being said, Hamilton is not what this team needs.

[example1]

I'm not sure that a lesson to be drawn from this situation is that other teams can take your bad contracts. This was a unique confluence of big market franchises moving in different directions, with very few competing interests. Next time the Dodgers won't be there to pick up the pieces.

 

Add to that the notion that sometimes pitchers get injured or become ineffective and I think the list of pitchers warranting big FA money gets very small for the Sox. Greinke might be a good pitcher but not right now, not for this club.

 

They should go scrap heap, build up their prospect pool, and aggressively shop for top notch SP who aren't committed for 5 years. I suspect that their next ace is someone we barely know about now.

[RedSoxNC84]

Hamilton stays in Texas, I don't see him going anywhere else.

 

I highly doubt the rotation gets a big name FA, unless it's on a 1yr rental or something..

 

The 2013 rotation is probably going to be Lester, Buch, Webster, Lackey, Doub/Morales

[SouthieFanatic]

There's a lot of decent middle of the rotation guys available. I can't see them doing nothing

[a700hitter]

I'm not sure that a lesson to be drawn from this situation is that other teams can take your bad contracts. This was a unique confluence of big market franchises moving in different directions, with very few competing interests. Next time the Dodgers won't be there to pick up the pieces.

 

Add to that the notion that sometimes pitchers get injured or become ineffective and I think the list of pitchers warranting big FA money gets very small for the Sox. Greinke might be a good pitcher but not right now, not for this club.

 

They should go scrap heap, build up their prospect pool, and aggressively shop for top notch SP who aren't committed for 5 years. I suspect that their next ace is someone we barely know about now.

Guys that throw like he does will have a market as long as he is healthy. We may not always be able to off-load the full freight, but you can usually salary dump a pitcher to some extent who is in his early 30-s. The key isn't some confluence of events. The key is for the pitcher to be healthy. The Yankees got a small market team like the Pirates to pick up $13 million for a slug like AJ Burnett-- and AJ was pretty darn near a worse case scenario.