Red Sox 2012/2013 Offseason Thread

[mvp 78]

MLBTR suggests they'll get more than just a reliever. Pretty good bat, with a 296/345/516 line over the last 3 years.

 

If the Red Sox dumped a productive bat (Morse) for a mediocre bullpen arm (Miller) and a middling prospect (Renaudo), this place would explode.

[SoxSport]

If the Red Sox dumped a productive bat (Morse) for a mediocre bullpen arm (Miller) and a middling prospect (Renaudo), this place would explode.

 

Morse is a plum waiting to be picked. Hope the Yankees don't get him. 30 HR guy in Fenway. High OBP.

[Palodios]

If the Red Sox dumped a productive bat (Morse) for a mediocre bullpen arm (Miller) and a middling prospect (Renaudo), this place would explode.

 

Morse is the first baseman equivalent of Joel Hanrahan, maybe worse than that. Calling Morse a middle of the order bat is just posturing. We would be looking at a trade worth Melancon+Sands.

[seabeachfred]

A few of us thought so. Emmz can pick these banned guys out from their first post.

 

Any idea who the guy was Ted? He seemed to challenge you on everything you wrote. Apparently he came on before with a different handle and caused some problems. Well he wont bother you for awhile.

 

Now for some news about Napoli or our new first baseman not named Gomez.

[seabeachfred]

I'd offer Miller(Morales)+ SP prospect like Workman or Ranaudo or a young OF like Nava/Jacobs.

 

Morse could be a monster at Fenway.

 

I think that Morse wo uld cost us a decent prospect as well as a good reliever. We have both but we don't have a first baseman worthy of the name. I would like to see the Red Sox get Morse. He would be a good 30+ homer man playing half his games at Fenway. Let's not kick tires and show interest and wind up empty handed this time. We have the means to land this guy and Cherington has no excuses not to get it done IMHO.

 

 

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[a700hitter]

I think that Morse wo uld cost us a decent prospect as well as a good reliever. We have both but we don't have a first baseman worthy of the name. I would like to see the Red Sox get Morse. He would be a good 30+ homer man playing half his games at Fenway. Let's not kick tires and show interest and wind up empty handed this time. We have the means to land this guy and Cherington has no excuses not to get it done IMHO.

 

 

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If the Nats have no room for Morse, he will get scooped up quickly. He is a Moose but he has enough positional flexibility to play OF and 1B. The Yanks might beat us to the punch. They need a RH outfielder.

[BSN07]

Ya I'm worried about the Yankees interest a bit. He is a great fit for them. I just hope they don't match up well with the Nats.

 

Morales is better then Logan. But if NY dangles Banuelos the Nats could be interested. I think they may want more of an established arm and Morales could be a big late inning arm out of the BP.

 

Morales +Bradley jr+ Nava(he would be useful to the Nats as an extra OF) or another prospect like Cecchini. I have a hard time going above more then that talent wise. The Nats would probably have to send a low prospect back to lesson the blow on controllable years for the Sox. If the interest in him pushes the deal beyond Morales and a couple mid tier prospects then I'm gonna have to lean towards passing on him.

[dupree]

I would like Morse as our everyday LF. I know they spent money on Gomes but i think Morse would be a better fit and a higher upside than a platoon of gomes/kalish.

and morse could be protection for napoli if he goes down with a hip injury.

 

I wouldnt give up Bradley Jr in a trade for morse. But a trade along the lines of the Hanrahan trade would be a nice option. Trade Miller and a couple mid tier propects and get the deal done. Have gomes and kalish as the 4th and 5th OF and if the nats want nava let them have him. With Morse in the fold nava would be the odd man out.

 

Morse could be a 30+hr and 90-100100rbi rbi guy for us. I think cherry needs to make this move and quick before another team rushes in and i believe if Morse is dangled out on the market he will have many suitors.

 

I know some posters think he would be a better option than napoli but as long as this contract has played out i cant see the deal falling thru he is gonna be a red sox, but having morse would definitely make alot of us sleep better at night for insurance.

[BSN07]

I would like Morse as our everyday LF. I know they spent money on Gomes but i think Morse would be a better fit and a higher upside than a platoon of gomes/kalish.

and morse could be protection for napoli if he goes down with a hip injury.

 

I wouldnt give up Bradley Jr in a trade for morse. But a trade along the lines of the Hanrahan trade would be a nice option. Trade Miller and a couple mid tier propects and get the deal done. Have gomes and kalish as the 4th and 5th OF and if the nats want nava let them have him. With Morse in the fold nava would be the odd man out.

 

Morse could be a 30+hr and 90-100100rbi rbi guy for us. I think cherry needs to make this move and quick before another team rushes in and i believe if Morse is dangled out on the market he will have many suitors.

 

I know some posters think he would be a better option than napoli but as long as this contract has played out i cant see the deal falling thru he is gonna be a red sox, but having morse would definitely make alot of us sleep better at night for insurance.

 

Damn it I meant Jacobs not Bradley jr, brainfart on my part.

[seabeachfred]

If the Nats have no room for Morse, he will get scooped up quickly. He is a Moose but he has enough positional flexibility to play OF and 1B. The Yanks might beat us to the punch. They need a RH outfielder.

 

Ted---we have more pieces to trade with the Nats than the Yankees do. We have a better minor league farm system (now rated No. 5) and we now have more depth as well. If we want Morse we should be able to get him IMO. If we don't it can only be because we crapped out and didn't step up. We need a first baseman at least as badly as the Yankees need an outfielder. I am not giving our front office any parachute to use as another hallow excuse to do nothing.

[seabeachfred]

Ya I'm worried about the Yankees interest a bit. He is a great fit for them. I just hope they don't match up well with the Nats.

 

Morales is better then Logan. But if NY dangles Banuelos the Nats could be interested. I think they may want more of an established arm and Morales could be a big late inning arm out of the BP.

 

Morales +Bradley jr+ Nava(he would be useful to the Nats as an extra OF) or another prospect like Cecchini. I have a hard time going above more then that talent wise. The Nats would probably have to send a low prospect back to lesson the blow on controllable years for the Sox. If the interest in him pushes the deal beyond Morales and a couple mid tier prospects then I'm gonna have to lean towards passing on him.

 

And then what BSN??????? Gomez??????? No f***ing way!!!!!!! We need a first baseman and we have the chips to trade for him. And remember, we do NOT have another decent first base prospect anywhere in our system. We could be set there for the next five years if we get him.

 

And if you're reading this User, once again my friend BSN has hinted at passing on Morse. That only reads GOMEZ to me and him on first base for us is too hateful for me to contemplate.

[SeanJohn93]

The New York Yankees have interest in trading for Washington Nationals outfielder/first baseman Michael Morse, sources tell ESPNNewYork.com. Hopefully they don't get him

[SoxSport]

Morse doesn't want to DH, so it will have to be a team that plays him in the field.

 

The Red Sox could be that team, if they would end their love affair with Napoli.

[BSN07]

And then what BSN??????? Gomez??????? No f***ing way!!!!!!! We need a first baseman and we have the chips to trade for him. And remember, we do NOT have another decent first base prospect anywhere in our system. We could be set there for the next five years if we get him.

 

And if you're reading this User, once again my friend BSN has hinted at passing on Morse. That only reads GOMEZ to me and him on first base for us is too hateful for me to contemplate.

 

The Nats were going to move Morse to 1B if they did not sign Laroche. I think the Sox could do the same. I don't want him for LF. They have Gomes and Kalish for that.

[BSN07]

The New York Yankees have interest in trading for Washington Nationals outfielder/first baseman Michael Morse, sources tell ESPNNewYork.com. Hopefully they don't get him

 

They are one of a few teams. But they don't have a good LHRP the Nats are in search of unless they want to take a chance on Baneulos.

 

I still think with all the teams considered, Morales would be one of the better options available. He can start, be a swing man, or a late inning LHP that throws gas.

[Spitball]

There will be several teams competing for Morse, including the Yankees, Rangers, Mariners, and probably a few more. I would hate to see the Sox get into a bidding frenzy and have to give up too much for a guy who walked only 16 times and struck out 97 times last year.

[redsoxfan3]

It seems like a lot of people really want Morse. I know the Napoli deal is taking forever, but don't set yourself up for disappointment if we do not trade for him. I have not seen much between the Red Sox stating interest in Mike Morse, unlike I have for the Yankees and other teams.

 

Do you really want Mike Morse over Mike Napoli? Or do you just want Mike Morse if the Napoli deal falls through?

 

Both are fairly comparable players in terms of offense. Morse has one season of playing 146 games and the rest of his career have been 102 games or less. Napoli has one 140 game season and the rest of his career have been 114 or less. Morse is 30 and Napoli is 31. Morse has had the better average for his career. Napoli has the advantage in terms of OBP. That says a lot, especially since Morse has .036 better batting average and Napoli still has a .009 advantage in OBP. That mean Morse does not walk nearly as much as Napoli. They are identical for career OPS+. Over the last five years, Napoli has had five 20+ HR seasons. Morse has only had one 20+ HR season in his career.

 

I wouldn't mind if we get Morse if the Napoli deal falls through, but I only want to try to get Morse if we do not sign Napoli. We would only get Morse for one year, and would likely have to give up one of Morales or Miller and a propsect. At the same time, we don't have to give up anything other than cash for Napoli. From the offensive standpoint, I would rather have Napoli who has the better career OBP and very comparable power numbers, which Napoli has more career HR's and RBI's.

[seabeachfred]

The Nats were going to move Morse to 1B if they did not sign Laroche. I think the Sox could do the same. I don't want him for LF. They have Gomes and Kalish for that.

 

That's what I said. FIRST BASE!!!!!!! That's where we need him and if it costs us a prospect, an ML reserve and a reliever I say go. Again and again and again, I do not want Mauro Gomez playing first base for us this year because IMHO it would undo some of the better moves we've made so far this off season. Gomes and Kalish will be fine for LF but Gomez will most not definitely be fine for first base. Get Morse!!!!!!!

[BSN07]

That's what I said. FIRST BASE!!!!!!! That's where we need him and if it costs us a prospect, an ML reserve and a reliever I say go. Again and again and again, I do not want Mauro Gomez playing first base for us this year because IMHO it would undo some of the better moves we've made so far this off season. Gomes and Kalish will be fine for LF but Gomez will most not definitely be fine for first base. Get Morse!!!!!!!

 

It's a one year deal and there are a couple actual 1B in next years FA class. So it could be better then Napoli. I'm not totally selling on Napoli, but obviously there is an issue and neither side seems keen on caving so other options should be sought out. Morse or Morneau seem like the best choices to me.

[dupree]

Who is the most notable names on next years FA class?

[BSN07]

Who is the most notable names on next years FA class?

 

For 1B it's Morse, Morneau, Konerko and Morales.

[Spitball]

For 1B it's Morse, Morneau, Konerko and Morales.

 

I believe the Red Sox will definitely sign Napoli for two years with a mutual option for the third. Reports are that he is not in negotiations with other clubs, so I suspect there will be some posturing, negotiations, and compromises before the signing takes place. It will be similar to the LaRoche deal with Washington.

 

There simply are too few options for either side. Napoli might get offers but definitely not for three years. The Red Sox might look at other options, but there are no options (including Morse) that are appealing...and won't take away from the current team depth.

[jopete19]

We need better pithcing and I know that drunk! Come on Banny Boy! oh an BTW we need more players like Bill Mueller!!

[SouthieFanatic]

If Morneau is available then why not him? Better OBP, Avg, etc. Last season he proved he can be durable once again, only missing 25 games or so. I'd put Morneau before Morse

[BSN07]

I believe the Red Sox will definitely sign Napoli for two years with a mutual option for the third. Reports are that he is not in negotiations with other clubs, so I suspect there will be some posturing, negotiations, and compromises before the signing takes place. It will be similar to the LaRoche deal with Washington.

 

There simply are too few options for either side. Napoli might get offers but definitely not for three years. The Red Sox might look at other options, but there are no options (including Morse) that are appealing...and won't take away from the current team depth.

 

Red Sox GM Ben Cherington spoke to Jim Bowden on MLB Network Radio about the status of free agent Mike Napoli and where the slugger stands with the team. Cherington told Bowden (via Twitter) that Boston is still looking to add offense to the first base position as the club still considers Napoli to be a free agent. He added that the Red Sox will continue to work through the issues of signing Napoli but admits there is no deal at this point

 

If he's not negotiating with other teams his agents should be fired. He has no deal with the Sox at the moment.

 

 

If Morneau is available then why not him? Better OBP, Avg, etc. Last season he proved he can be durable once again, only missing 25 games or so. I'd put Morneau before Morse

 

He's available as a free agent after this season. He might be available in a trade for this season, but it's not known if Minny is willing to move him.

[a700hitter]

If he's not negotiating with other teams his agents should be fired. He has no deal with the Sox at the moment.

 

 

He's available as a free agent after this season. He might be available in a trade for this season, but it's not known if Minny is willing to move him.

I have found that Cherington has been very honest during his tenure. If he is saying that he still considers Napoli to be a FA then I would not bank on this deal getting done. He didn't say that he was hoping it would work out, and he said they are looking at 1B. I don't doubr they are looking elsewhere.

[Emmz]

We need better pithcing and I know that drunk! Come on Banny Boy! oh an BTW we need more players like Bill Mueller!!

 

^drinks Keystone. For sure.

[BSN07]

I have found that Cherington has been very honest during his tenure. If he is saying that he still considers Napoli to be a FA then I would not bank on this deal getting done. He didn't say that he was hoping it would work out, and he said they are looking at 1B. I don't doubr they are looking elsewhere.

 

That's one thing I think we can give Cherries credit for. Whether we like what he is saying or not, it's usually pretty straight forward.

[a700hitter]

That's one thing I think we can give Cherries credit for. Whether we like what he is saying or not, it's usually pretty straight forward.

He's not at all dissembling. One of his first statements when he became GM last year was about Papelbon. He said something to the effect that he would understand if Paps got an offer from another team that he couldn't turn down. The writing was on the wall. Whether people agree with his moves is another issue, but he is pretty honest about his intentions, which is why his statements about thinking the starting pitching is much improved from last year concern me so much. Based on his statements, I think the chances are 10% or less that we add another starter like Marcum or even Jurjens.

[Palodios]

Is it just me, or have the Red Sox assembling a group of players that were very good in 2011?

 

The entire bullpen-- Bard/Bailey/Hanrahan/Uehara/Aceves were pretty much lights out that year.

 

Victorino had a career year. Pedroia and Ellsbury were in the running for MVP for a while there. Napoli was probably right behind them. Ortiz had his best year in a very long time.