If you could get rid of anyone on the current Sox roster?

[SoxFanForsyth]

Salty needs to go to. He can't catch' date=' throw or hit. Is there anything else? He strikes out about 50% of the time. He swings and misses more times than any hitter that I can remember. Does anyone remember Salty throwing behind a runner at first or second base? I can't remember. I don't think he is allowed to try it, because there is a 50% chance that he would throw the ball into the OF.[/quote']

 

Lavarnway just won Best Defensive Catcher in AAA voted by the managers, which is huge given that's what he was working on.

 

Regardless, this team has a combined .326 OBP, .316 since the ASB. They have the 2nd fewest walks in the MLB since the ASB. That is NOT Red Sox baseball. This team is known for its ability to grind out at bats and work the count, get starters out early, and get to the relief pitchers.

 

Salty's horrifying 31% K% this year and his .288 OBP is crushing this team. He has K'd 36 times in his last 74 AB. Holy s***.

 

In his last 26 games, he's struck out at least once in 22 of them.

 

For Christ's sake. Give the reigns to Lavarnway.

[a700hitter]

Lavarnway just won Best Defensive Catcher in AAA voted by the managers, which is huge given that's what he was working on.

 

Regardless, this team has a combined .326 OBP, .316 since the ASB. They have the 2nd fewest walks in the MLB since the ASB. That is NOT Red Sox baseball. This team is known for its ability to grind out at bats and work the count, get starters out early, and get to the relief pitchers.

 

Salty's horrifying 31% K% this year and his .288 OBP is crushing this team. He has K'd 36 times in his last 74 AB. Holy s***.

 

In his last 26 games, he's struck out at least once in 22 of them.

 

For Christ's sake. Give the reigns to Lavarnway.

I think they missed an opportunity to get some value for him at the ASB. He had 19 HRs and the strikeout streak hadn't started. As usual, Cherington is slow to act. His value has plummeted, and unless BC has a mancrush on Salty like Theo did, I can't see Salty being with the team in 2013.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I think they missed an opportunity to get some value for him at the ASB. He had 19 HRs and the strikeout streak hadn't started. As usual' date=' Cherington is slow to act. His value has plummeted, and unless BC has a mancrush on Salty like Theo did, I can't see Salty being with the team in 2013.[/quote']

 

Salty could be included in a deal to the Cubs, whether it's for a bullpen arm or in a bigger deal, who knows. But I definitely think he gets dealt this offseason.

[TeddyBallGame9]

Beckett.

[Bellhorn04]

Salty could be included in a deal to the Cubs' date=' whether it's for a bullpen arm or in a bigger deal, who knows. But I definitely think he gets dealt this offseason.[/quote']

 

But you're assuming logical moves will be made.

[SCM33]

Salty needs to go to. He can't catch, throw or hit. Is there anything else? He strikes out about 50% of the time. He swings and misses more times than any hitter that I can remember. Does anyone remember Salty throwing behind a runner at first or second base? I can't remember. I don't think he is allowed to try it, because there is a 50% chance that he would throw the ball into the OF.

 

Edit: I strongly suspect that he is part of the pitching problem.

 

Lavarnway just won Best Defensive Catcher in AAA voted by the managers, which is huge given that's what he was working on.

 

Regardless, this team has a combined .326 OBP, .316 since the ASB. They have the 2nd fewest walks in the MLB since the ASB. That is NOT Red Sox baseball. This team is known for its ability to grind out at bats and work the count, get starters out early, and get to the relief pitchers.

 

Salty's horrifying 31% K% this year and his .288 OBP is crushing this team. He has K'd 36 times in his last 74 AB. Holy s***.

 

In his last 26 games, he's struck out at least once in 22 of them.

 

For Christ's sake. Give the reigns to Lavarnway.

 

But whats his OPS?????

 

Hes like 4th or 5th best!!! Hes adaquete!!! Hes above average!!! Remember????

 

Where are all those people from last year?

[Palodios]

Oh wait! Can I pick Larry Luchino?

[SoxSport]

The one guy I would get rid of in this organization is Cherington. That's assuming Lucchino isn't going anywhere.

 

To me, Cherington is the status quo personified.

[Elktonnick]

The one guy I would get rid of in this organization is Cherington. That's assuming Lucchino isn't going anywhere.

 

To me, Cherington is the status quo personified.

 

Cherrington is indecisive. Moreover I blame him for deliberately undercutting the manager who wasn't his choice. If Larry really runs the Red Sox (and I don't believe he does) he should fire Cherrington at the same time he fires Tuck, McClure and Madagan. They can all leave on the same plane that sends Beckett and Lackey back to Texas.

[Bellhorn04]

The one guy I would get rid of in this organization is Cherington. That's assuming Lucchino isn't going anywhere.

 

To me, Cherington is the status quo personified.

 

But if Cherington is just Lucchino's puppet, then getting rid of him probably just means another puppet takes his place.

[ibot2much]

I would prefer a "puppet" who comes in with a fresh eye. BC spent too much time attached to TE. He can't see which trades were good/ bad and he can't assess the clubhouse/team with an unbiased eye

[SoxSport]

There is increasing disillusionment with Cherington in the chatgroups. It makes no sense to send Kalish down with the season essentially over. He and Lavarnway should be getting ML experience. Kalish is a better player than Pods. One of Ben's problems is he's terrible at handling personnel. They are still stuck with Shoppach and Bard has still not recovered from mismanagement. Iggy might have been a star by now if V had been allowed to keep him on the roster after ST. He should be playing SS right now.

 

Cherington needs eyelasses. He can't see the fat lady everybody else sees.

[jung]

Maybe LL won't let BC acknowledge a fat lady sighting.

[bostonscrapper]

KELLY SHOPPACH! 0 FOR 4. His "final swing" in tonights game looked like he was up there blindfolded.

[jung]

As much as I really have trouble with Salty, I would likely keep Salty and make him Lavs backup and get rid of Shop. Shop is not a great defensive catcher...he is just better than Salty. However if Lavs is the primary catcher I think Salty gives the Sox more to work with than Shop does.

[Emmz]

Lavarnway just won Best Defensive Catcher in AAA voted by the managers, which is huge given that's what he was working on.

 

Regardless, this team has a combined .326 OBP, .316 since the ASB. They have the 2nd fewest walks in the MLB since the ASB. That is NOT Red Sox baseball. This team is known for its ability to grind out at bats and work the count, get starters out early, and get to the relief pitchers.

 

Salty's horrifying 31% K% this year and his .288 OBP is crushing this team. He has K'd 36 times in his last 74 AB. Holy s***.

 

In his last 26 games, he's struck out at least once in 22 of them.

 

For Christ's sake. Give the reigns to Lavarnway.

 

 

Salty is a piece of s*** catcher. I'm not looking forward to another year of him in Boston, because half the fanbase will think he's gotten it together again when he catches fire for a couple of months.

 

Lavarnway seems to be very legit offensively, and apparently he's improved a ton defensively. Sounds like Salty has no business being here anymore.

[jung]

With Lavs as the primary catcher, Salty won't get a chance to go on any run...a month or two or a week or two....he will end up catching the back end of double headers and day games after night games and that will be it. If Lavs is primary...no way he splits time with whoever they have for a second catcher.

[Bellhorn04]

We all seem to hate Lackey but his teammates have been stepping up to say what a great guy and great teammate he is. :dunno:

[SoxSport]

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view/20220811ask_the_sox_lackeys_their_guy_1/

 

Here's an article about Lackey that makes him out to be the opposite of the guy portrayed in the media.

 

It says he toughed it out last year with a bad elbow. The question is why was he allowed to do so? It cost the team dearly in terms of wins. It tells me once again their problem is with the front office--including Henry and LL. Lackey should have been shut down last year.

 

It also says beer is allowed on the road in the clubhouse. That's not what I heard V say in a press conference. He said no beer in the clubhouse--period. So maybe he doesn't know the rules? You never know with the Red Sox these days.

[jung]

Lackey does appear to be universally liked by his teammates in spite of his antics on the mound. I don't know why but it does seem to be true. I have often wondered if for whatever reason, even under Tito, this became an us vs them clubhouse where for the players, a player could do no wrong but everybody else was considered the enemy.

 

Not sure how to explore that topic intelligently but I do wonder if that is where that clubhouse got to at some point and maybe that is where it remains.

[Emmz]

Or maybe you just don't know anything about the team other than what you see on the field.

 

Edit:

 

/mindf***

[ibot2much]

 

Not sure how to explore that topic intelligently but I do wonder if that is where that clubhouse got to at some point and maybe that is where it remains.

 

The guy who writes the ETC. column in the BOSTON SUNDAY GLOBE made mention of JL's popularity a couple of weeks ago and he said he was puzzled by it also......he ended with the thought that it makes you wonder about the quality of the team if his "buying" makes him so popular.

[jung]

One aspect of the team and how it seems to feel about Lackey that is disturbing is that I can't argue with the people that contend that regardless of Beckett and what we attribute to Beckett as part of the "problem", the real decline in this team started with the arrival of Lackey.

 

They are no longer a tough team. They don't fight back. They whine about every call that does not go their way and worse than that the whining does not even allow them to put it behind them. They whine and then they fall apart.

 

I don't have an argument for the people that have that view of Lackey and his impact on this team. Yet, you do hear that the players like him. I am assuming a great deal here but its a forum. We post our opinions in the main and ask questions. Assuming all of the above to be true, to what extent is their affection for Lackey a testament to their belief that this is the way it should be....ala' "the way we do things around here". Maybe they just do not even see how f***ed up they are as a team.

 

I have said this for a long time now. However, to me at best, they are a collection of players, some of them very talented that happen to wear the same laundry but are not a team.

[ibot2much]

Reminds me of the Veritek statement when the Sox started their success that the team had turned into a unified group that would take a bus together rather than 25 guys, 25 taxis. Looks like they are back to the latter.

[SoxSport]

When a team breaks down, it's a management problem. Right up the line, they have screwed up.

My guess is Henry let Larry run the team. And Larry let Theo run the team.... down the line, until the players were running the team. Henry should just sell the team. He let it get away from him.

[TeddyBallGame9]

Keep Shop.

 

How about Bobby V? Does that count?!?!

[BOSOX11]

Is it too late to drag Julio Lugo through the mud again?

[SoxSport]

Here, finally is the front office dictum on Iglesias:

 

http://bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view/20220812sox_choose_not_to_call_up_iglesias/

 

Iggy, according to the FO's Hazen, has to become an "offensive" player before he can be called up. Heck, everyone knows Iggy is a defensive player. Maybe one of the best. And the Red Sox suck defensively.

Something the FO doesn't seem to care about.

 

I guess, too, they are satisfied with Aviles' "offensive" performance. OBP below .300. Sure he has a few HRs and RBis --it's an offensive lineup--but he is no Tulo when it comes to hitting. And he is a a sub-par defensive SS. Looks like ben & Co are ignoring one of their hitting basics--OBP--in Avila's case. In fact, OBP seems to have become less important with the current FO.

 

This tells you a lot about the Red Sox FO--and about what's wrong with the team. Iggy is the focal point of a power struggle between Valentine and Cherington's FO--and they'll probably have to fire Cherington to call up Iggy.

 

That it came to this is totally the fault of LL/Henry.

[jung]

Those comments from the Sox in the Herald article are about the most ridiculous set of comments about the SS position I have ever seen in my entire lifetime. None of those comments expressed any understanding for the difference between SS and any other defensive position on the field. Explains perfectly why butcher Aviles is allowed to be the Red Sox everyday SS.

 

The Sox FO and Management appears full of math majors with nobody that has ever picked up a baseball bat or actually played a game of baseball in their entire lives.

 

Now on top of demanding better offense from Iggy they are demanding better power offense from Iggy. Are they completely out of their minds or are they asinine for the sheer pleasure of being able to prove that they are in power? Forget it...just trade Iggy and be done with it. I hope they trade him to an AL team so we can watch him come back and spoil entire Red Sox innings with his defense...that is assuming that the Red Sox will ever again be able to mount an offense that actually has rallies to spoil. We can then be treated to a chorus of pink hats wondering aloud why we "never get players like that" or we will hear "who is that guy and where did he come from" when Iggy returns in an enemy uni.

 

These guys are stupid...just plain stupid without the slightest notion of what actually happens in a baseball game. As for JH and LL, I can only hope that they are finally stung in the only place they seem to care about...their pockets. The Red Sox insistence on leaving nothing for real baseball fans to look forward to is just beyond belief. Sure we will give you more carnival atmosphere and idiotic stuff to spend your money on but baseball...forget it...the baseball itself has become background noise and the background noise has become the center of attention. They are headed straight for the basement this year and I am now pretty much resigned to them staying there as they simply have no clue.

 

My lasting memory of the 2012 Sox will be that idiot JH clapping from the owners box like some giddy teenager at her first Justin Bieber concert, oblivious to the complete disaster that is the 2012 Red Sox.

[mvp 78]

Tie between Salty and Ells at this point.