Time for Valentine to go

[kapsis21]

Til the prima-donnas in this clubhouse get removed, aka Lacket Beckett to an extent now Papi, i have lost faith in this team. going to root for the Athletics and the Angels. I for one had enough...

[Thunder]

This team would make a good reality show.

[jung]

Lackey is the rat....the only thing unbelievable is that a guy that is just skulking around the clubhouse turns out to be the clubhouse rat.

 

Now Mr. Beckett..how smart do you look...Mr. ripping through the place looking for the clubhouse rat...while I guess there is a question about Lackey being the chicken and beer rat.....you, Mr Beckett should be just as incensed that you buddy went skulking up the stairs to the owners office to tell tails even if it was to tell tails on a manager you don't like. If you are true to your words Mr. Beckett you should find Lackey's kind of clubhouse rat just as distasteful as the chicken and beer clubhouse rat. in fact, given that people have a propensity to do what they do more than once....you may well have found your chicken and beer rat as well. Wouldn't that be a kick in teeth....if in between picking chicken from his teeth, Lackey was telling tails about the whole chicken and beer experience.

[FenwayWest]

Lackey is the rat....the only thing unbelievable is that a guy that is just skulking around the clubhouse turns out to be the clubhouse rat.

 

Now Mr. Beckett..how smart do you look...Mr. ripping through the place looking for the clubhouse rat...while I guess there is a question about Lackey being the chicken and beer rat.....you, Mr Beckett should be just as incensed that you buddy went skulking up the stairs to the owners office to tell tails even if it was to tell tails on a manager you don't like. If you are true to your words Mr. Beckett you should find Lackey's kind of clubhouse rat just as distasteful as the chicken and beer clubhouse rat. in fact, given that people have a propensity to do what they do more than once....you may well have found your chicken and beer rat as well. Wouldn't that be a kick in teeth....if in between picking chicken from his teeth, Lackey was telling tails about the whole chicken and beer experience.

 

Bro, read the whole article before flying off the handle... Lackey snitched about Bobby V's comment to Middlebrooks.. Not about last Sept...

[jung]

I did not say Lackey was the clubhouse rat from last year...I said you "may well have found your chicken and beer rat as well" since people tend to have tendencies. Read the post.

[Thunder]

I thought the main rat was Beckett.

[jung]

Well rat used in this context to imply that there are people or a person that leaked the chicken and beer story last year and somebody that slithered up the stairs to upper management to talk about V's comments to WMB this year.

[jung]

So JH just tweeted that the "players are playing hard". Does Henry actually know anything about baseball. Does he have any idea what he is looking at? I would say...no. He would have been better off saying nothing than sounding so completely oblivious to what is happening to this team.

 

I realize that he probably had to put a good face on things but either do it in such a way that you don't sound like a complete dolt or don't say anything.

 

V is not being replaced.

[Elktonnick]

So JH just tweeted that the "players are playing hard". Does Henry actually know anything about baseball. Does he have any idea what he is looking at? I would say...no. He would have been better off saying nothing than sounding so completely oblivious to what is happening to this team.

 

I realize that he probably had to put a good face on things but either do it in such a way that you don't sound like a complete dolt or don't say anything.

 

V is not being replaced.

 

Henry doesn't have a clue. Remember when he went on Felger and Mazz last year he said the "Josh Beckett is one of the most competitive persons he knew." He also admitted he had never heard of the chicken and beer in the clubhouse.

[SoxSport]

So Henry emails WEEI and states "we are not firing the manager."

 

What a feeble effort to deflect the real problems on the Red Sox!

 

It isn't the manager, stupid.

 

It's you and Larry and the front office and the coaches and that trainer of yours--the guy who overrules the manager on who should be playing on a given night. And all the turf struggles on the Red Sox. That's the problem, John. Not Bobby Valentine. The problems were there before him, and he hasn't been given the authority to solve them. Instead, you kept the status quo in the rest of the organization, and they have rebelled against him.

 

John, you ought to stick to hedge funds. You're a lousy administrator. Sell the team.

[Bellhorn04]

One thing I'm not going to do is hope for Henry to sell the team. That could be an exercise in futility. He can hang onto the team as long as he wants and there's nothing we can do. I haven't hear any good rumors about anyone making offers for the team either.

[FenwayWest]

Touche, Jung... My bad

[a700hitter]

One thing I'm not going to do is hope for Henry to sell the team. That could be an exercise in futility. He can hang onto the team as long as he wants and there's nothing we can do. I haven't hear any good rumors about anyone making offers for the team either.

Welcome to the life of Mets fans trying to outlast the Wilpons.

[Laser Show]

Deleted... Don't know how I got to this thread >.>

[a700hitter]

When asked if Morales would be starting on a more permanent basis, Valentine responded that he has wanted him to start from the beginning and they are trying to make that work. I assume "from the beginning" means when he started throwing long relief. Bobby V is managing this team with one arm tied behind his back.

[SoxSport]

Last night, the Red Sox put it together and dominated a top team. They have the talent to do that.

Can they do it consistently? That's the big question. Their highest paid players will have to play to their potential.

[SoxSport]

When asked if Morales would be starting on a more permanent basis' date=' Valentine responded that he has wanted him to start from the beginning and they are trying to make that work. I assume "from the beginning" means when he started throwing long relief. Bobby V is managing this team with one arm tied behind his back.[/quote']

 

Yeah, that's certainly the impression--right from ST. It's LL/Henry that tied his hands--in deference to their GM. No Iggy, no Lav right from the start, as he wanted. No Bard in the BP. You wonder who makes up the lineup card.

 

Cherington is the guy who should be on the hot seat. In fact, I suspect he is. The Bobby V. stuff yesterday was just a diversion. It's true that GMs don't get fired as much as managers, but Cherington should be under a microscope his first year. Plus being a focal point in the turf war. Ben hasn't done anything right--everything he's done has backfired. He signed Ross. OK. But that was almost a no-brainer. He made lousy deals--giving up on Reddick, who is now one of the top ML outfielders. Bailey has turned out to be another Lowrie--an injury waiting to happen--as was on his resume in Oakland. He has had poor judgement on using the farm system, and he oversees a screwed up training/medical organization which takes forever to get players back on the field--rehabbing at three different minor league levels. Just ridiculous.

And now there's Papi. Takes a wrong step walking around the bases on a HR, and takes 3 weeks off. He should be DHing with a little pain. You wrap it and play. How do I know?I've been running on a foot strain for two months. It takes a long time for the discomfort to go away. You wrap it and play. And use orthotics.

[3rdManOut]

The team has the talent (they always had). Its the way their attitudes are going into each game (I figure). One can only hope that there is a turninig point and they go on good run to beat some of the better teams. They can do it I think its a question of if they really "want it" at this point. BV will keep doing his thing.

[a700hitter]

Yeah, that's certainly the impression--right from ST. It's LL/Henry that tied his hands--in deference to their GM. No Iggy, no Lav right from the start, as he wanted. No Bard in the BP. You wonder who makes up the lineup card.

 

Cherington is the guy who should be on the hot seat. In fact, I suspect he is. The Bobby V. stuff yesterday was just a diversion. It's true that GMs don't get fired as much as managers, but Cherington should be under a microscope his first year. Plus being a focal point in the turf war. Ben hasn't done anything right--everything he's done has backfired. He signed Ross. OK. But that was almost a no-brainer. He made lousy deals--giving up on Reddick, who is now one of the top ML outfielders. Bailey has turned out to be another Lowrie--an injury waiting to happen--as was on his resume in Oakland. He has had poor judgement on using the farm system, and he oversees a screwed up training/medical organization which takes forever to get players back on the field--rehabbing at three different minor league levels. Just ridiculous.

And now there's Papi. Takes a wrong step walking around the bases on a HR, and takes 3 weeks off. He should be DHing with a little pain. You wrap it and play. How do I know?I've been running on a foot strain for two months. It takes a long time for the discomfort to go away. You wrap it and play. And use orthotics.

I do give Benny credit in that he said that this team is a reflection on him.

[rhet]

It's hard for players to respect a manager who fabricates conversations and events.

No doubt most are still looking for that 2-error inning and the Dodger Stadium seat cushions.

 

:wtf:

[a700hitter]

It's hard for players to respect a manager who fabricates conversations and events.

No doubt most are still looking for that 2-error inning and the Dodger Stadium seat cushions.

 

:wtf:

If the FO wasn't going to back him, then they should not have hired him. He was the biggest (and only significant) on field addition to the team that coughed it up in September 2011.

[jung]

I just don't know what to do other than watch and hope at this point. This team and this organization has so many issues and the players all whine like you read about....just incredible...Beckett is such a joke....."I do what I want to do when I want to do it but my performances of late have been difficult because I was worried about being traded".

 

Worried how Josh???....your a 10/5....you get to shut down anything and everything.....unbelievable....Lackey is a joke.....Lester is to some extent....Ace is to some extent going that way....and Padilla is just nuts

 

As for V, I wish he was just not so much of a wiseass with the players....they don't get it....they were never going to get it. Much of what V does gets overblown but why leave the player wondering if you are just being a wiseass or might really mean to ding the player? You are the manager for crying out loud....the guy with the power to simply sit a player's ass on the bench, denying him the one thing he can do to improve his position in his chosen profession. Please stop making believe the sort of wisecracking stuff you toss in everybody else's directions is good to go for the players also.

 

The blame for what we have is still mostly on the owners/upper management and the players. Owners and upper management for creating an environment and pushing a player personnel perspective that created this mess of a team with Theo also deserving a fair amount of blame for seeing his job in terms of that perspective. But the players get the bulk of the blame for playing so poorly, so devoid of anything that looks like a team.... for throwing one manager under the bus and trying to throw his replacement under it as well....whining the entire time, allowing game after game to just go down the drain uttering the usual platitudes along the way "we will just have to try to win tomorrow....tomorrow....tomorrow...tomorrow. One of my problems with them is that I get the impression that their "team meetings" are no better. They likely devolve into finger pointing at everybody but themselves and suggestions that they just can't play under these "unbearable" conditions.

[rhet]

If the FO wasn't going to back him' date=' then they should not have hired him. He was the biggest (and only significant) on field addition to the team that coughed it up in September 2011.[/quote']

 

The FO has not distinguished itself as a bastion of competency over the years. As of now, they're batting .333 on managers, which is probably better than their average on free agents.

[Thunder]

I can't wait until Bobby leaves because whoever replaces him will probably be worse, and the fans will want Bobby back.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

I can't until Bobby leaves because whoever replaces him will probably be worse' date=' and the fans will want Bobby back.[/quote']

After 8 years of Francona, I kind of forgot that this is Boston after all.

[Emmz]

The FO has not distinguished itself as a bastion of competency over the years. As of now' date=' they're batting .333 on managers, which is probably better than their average on free agents.[/quote']

 

I haven't seen you for about 2 years

[Youk Of The Nation]

Whoa, yeah, holy crap dude. Good to see you.

[Elktonnick]

Yeah, that's certainly the impression--right from ST. It's LL/Henry that tied his hands--in deference to their GM. No Iggy, no Lav right from the start, as he wanted. No Bard in the BP. You wonder who makes up the lineup card.

 

Cherington is the guy who should be on the hot seat. In fact, I suspect he is. The Bobby V. stuff yesterday was just a diversion. It's true that GMs don't get fired as much as managers, but Cherington should be under a microscope his first year. Plus being a focal point in the turf war. Ben hasn't done anything right--everything he's done has backfired. He signed Ross. OK. But that was almost a no-brainer. He made lousy deals--giving up on Reddick, who is now one of the top ML outfielders. Bailey has turned out to be another Lowrie--an injury waiting to happen--as was on his resume in Oakland. He has had poor judgement on using the farm system, and he oversees a screwed up training/medical organization which takes forever to get players back on the field--rehabbing at three different minor league levels. Just ridiculous.

And now there's Papi. Takes a wrong step walking around the bases on a HR, and takes 3 weeks off. He should be DHing with a little pain. You wrap it and play. How do I know?I've been running on a foot strain for two months. It takes a long time for the discomfort to go away. You wrap it and play. And use orthotics.

 

Well said! Cherington should be the first one fired if anyone goes IMHO.

[Dojji]

The FO has not distinguished itself as a bastion of competency over the years. As of now' date=' they're batting .333 on managers, which is probably better than their average on free agents.[/quote']

 

It's also better than most teams' batting average on managers.

 

There are maybe 3-4 managers in this league that aren't utterly replaceable.

[Dojji]

Well said! Cherington should be the first one fired if anyone goes IMHO.

 

The only reason I'll let you get away with that, is because this organization would solve some of its problems right off the bat if it wasn't divided between Cherington's camp and Lucchino's.

 

Personally I'd rather lose Lucchino. If that can't happen, I'd rather go all in on Lucchino than continue this multiple personality disorder.

 

Figure out who is in charge of this franchise, , let them run the team, and let that guy pass or fail on his own merits. Even if you pick the wrong guy, it's STILL Better than what we have right now.