What's next for Daniel Bard?

[VA Sox Fan]

In order to to agree with bolded part (i.e. he can reverse that) one has to agree with that which preceded it.

 

Not necessarily. He can reverse his performance, confidence and hopefully gain some maturity. I still don't agree that he was insubordinate. Maybe whiney. Don't agree that he's a cancer either.

[FredLynn]

Bard's comments about being angry and disappointed hardly qualify him as insubordinate or a cancer. If he doesn't go to Pawtucket and work hard there' date=' that would be a different story.[/quote']

 

I disagree. Not about the insubordinate part, just about the cancer part. How different it would have been for him had his attitude prompted him to state that he recognizes that his performance as a starting pitcher was less than everyone had hoped for and that he accepts the judgement of his superiors that he needs to be demoted until he can regain his form in whatever position is best for the team. He still might not make it back to the majors; thats a tossup right now. But in terms of what is going on in his own mind, he is a legend unto himself and is therefore obviously entitled to stay in the majors for however long it takes and no matter how adversely it affects his team. Just like Wakefield being given what-ten starts-until he finally won #200. How pathetic was that? Same with Bard. He is a arrogant MEFIRST turd who places himself above the needs of the franchise. Screw him.

[FredLynn]

Bard is now a cancer along with Beckett, Lester, Buch, Ortiz, and Youk. Am I missing anyone?

 

Funny how only "knowledgable fans" agree with your take. Obviously, anyone who doesn't agree is clearly a dunce.

 

Yeah. Lackey. I might think of others.

And I never said that all knowledgeable fans agree with me. It is true that some knowledgeable fan agree with what I have posted; some do not. However, if you do not feel particularly knowledgeable about this, thats fine with me too.

[Bellhorn04]

I disagree. Not about the insubordinate part' date=' just about the cancer part. How different it would have been for him had his attitude prompted him to state that he recognizes that his performance as a starting pitcher was less than everyone had hoped for and that he accepts the judgement of his superiors that he needs to be demoted until he can regain his form in whatever position is best for the team. He still might not make it back to the majors; thats a tossup right now. But in terms of what is going on in his own mind, he is a legend unto himself and is therefore obviously entitled to stay in the majors for however long it takes and no matter how adversely it affects his team. Just like Wakefield being given what-ten starts-until he finally won #200. How pathetic was that? Same with Bard. He is a arrogant MEFIRST turd who places himself above the needs of the franchise. Screw him.[/quote']

 

I think you're overreacting just a tad.

[mvp 78]

What I sense is there is general agreement among knowledgeable fans to what you just posted. My question is what about this whole mess doesn't the FO and these entitled prima donna don't get.

 

PG, this is where my comment came from.

 

I don't claim that only knowledgable fans think like I do. I believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

 

The idea of clubhouse cancers doesn't get my blood boiling because I don't believe Bard talking to the media affects anyone else's performance.

[FredLynn]

I think you're overreacting just a tad.

 

This is exactly the kind of attitude that destroyed last year's team as well as teams in the past. 25 players; 25 cabs. I despise that kind of MEFIRST attitude. This is a team sport and no player's needs come first. Each player is accountable to his bosses, the manager and the GM (and others), just like a "normal" job. There is a chain of command. Bard obviously feels that he is entitled to a ML roster spot. Even if he is disapointed, he should be disappointed privately. His comments did not help his public persona, did they.

[FredLynn]

PG, this is where my comment came from.

 

I don't claim that only knowledgable fans think like I do. I believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

 

The idea of clubhouse cancers doesn't get my blood boiling because I don't believe Bard talking to the media affects anyone else's performance.

 

OK. Got it. Sorry.

About Bard's big mouth: I believe that its unprofessional to publicly complain about decisions made in good faith by your superiors in this situation. I look at the New England Patriots as an example of a very professional organization. When did you ever hear a player complaining about a decision that Belichick made that he felt was good for the team although not good for the individual player? Its a tight ship there, and it should be a tight ship here too. Focus on playing your best, on the team, and on realizing that you are not in charge; thats the advice I would give to Mighty Mouth and Bard right now.

[mvp 78]

Tough to compare Pats and Sox due to the guaranteed contracts.

[FredLynn]

Tough to compare Pats and Sox due to the guaranteed contracts.

 

I live out here near the SF Giants and Oakland A's, and I NEVER hear of one of their players whining about being sent down or benched. They just take it and keep their mouths shut. There is something about being a member of Red Sox that seems to make a player feel like he is owed something by the management and the fans. Thats counterproductive if you want to win baseball games because it fosters a MEFIRST attitude that the other players are bound to dislike as many of them are also MEFIRSTS. It breeds resentment and individuality where teamwork is necessary to win. I suppose its possible to win with this kind of a prevalent attitude, but its a lot tougher and a lot less pleasing for the fans to watch.

[Elktonnick]

Not necessarily. He can reverse his performance' date=' confidence and hopefully gain some maturity. I still don't agree that he was insubordinate. Maybe whiney. Don't agree that he's a cancer either.[/quote']

 

The cancer of Beckett and Lackey has metastasized to Bard. The latter needs some radiation and Chemo therapy of a good long stay in the Pawtucket Rehab Center if he is ever to return to form. If Dice-K proves himself effective as a starter then Bard comes back to the bullpen if his ego can take it.

[Elktonnick]

PG, this is where my comment came from.

 

I don't claim that only knowledgable fans think like I do. I believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

 

The idea of clubhouse cancers doesn't get my blood boiling because I don't believe Bard talking to the media affects anyone else's performance.

 

I said there was general agreement not unanimity. Bard's statements to media is reflective of the cancerous attitude and entitlement that was exhibited by the 2011 starters and other veterans.

[seabeachfred]

I think you're overreacting just a tad.

 

Overreacting just a tad you say Bob? Seems I heard some of this s*** from your pal Pedroiaphile last September when he simply said the Red Sox were just going through a bad stretch of baseball and would soon recover while Pumpsie, Elk, Muggah and I called it for what it was.......the beginning of a big tank job and collapse. The fruition of the pablum and babying of the players that disgraced and exiled manager FrancoMa dispensed regularly caught up with the team and it has now continued to bums like BarF who ought to keep his mouth shut and try to regain a semblance of his ability and self respect. Frankly, I don't think he is going to recover and will never be a starting pitcher---just as some of us have said since last fall.

 

Apparently you never have taken that quote y ou use from me on another board very seriously so let me refresh it for you. To wit.....There are all sorts of reasons, excuses and rationalizations for losing. Winning needs none of that....it speaks for itself.

[seabeachfred]

Tough to compare Pats and Sox due to the guaranteed contracts.

 

That's a good point '78, but the fact remains too many of the current band of Red Sox seem to have developed this sense of entitlement, that someone owes them something when they only owe something to themselves to stop bellyaching and straighten up and fly right. Just look at the Shitbag, my name for Lester. Every damn game of late when he doesn't get a call from the umpire or something goes w rong in the field he sulks and crumbles like a cookie. BarF actually things he shouldn't have been sent down---something only a f***ing idiot on any board would agree with. Thank God no one here does.

 

The team has been noodling around since the first game and here we are still in last place. I'm taking off for Chicago next week to see our team take on the Cubs and I'm sure not going to see them display the same chicken s*** attitude that has come to represent them the past couple of seasons. I want to see the real Red Sox there, not the pack of moaners and complainers that seem to be in evidence on the current makeup of the club.

[seabeachfred]

I live out here near the SF Giants and Oakland A's' date=' and I NEVER hear of one of their players whining about being sent down or benched. They just take it and keep their mouths shut. There is something about being a member of Red Sox that seems to make a player feel like he is owed something by the management and the fans. Thats counterproductive if you want to win baseball games because it fosters a MEFIRST attitude that the other players are bound to dislike as many of them are also MEFIRSTS. It breeds resentment and individuality where teamwork is necessary to win. I suppose its possible to win with this kind of a prevalent attitude, but its a lot tougher and a lot less pleasing for the fans to watch.[/quote']

 

You're wrong Pumpsie......IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO WIN WITH THIS KIND OF HORSE DUNG ATTITUDE. Our record and place in the standings speaks for that. We can only hope before too much more time goes by something clicks in these entitled turds and they start playing like the Red Sox are supposed to play.

[a700hitter]

That's a good point '78, but the fact remains too many of the current band of Red Sox seem to have developed this sense of entitlement, that someone owes them something when they only owe something to themselves to stop bellyaching and straighten up and fly right. Just look at the Shitbag, my name for Lester. Every damn game of late when he doesn't get a call from the umpire or something goes w rong in the field he sulks and crumbles like a cookie. BarF actually things he shouldn't have been sent down---something only a f***ing idiot on any board would agree with. Thank God no one here does.

 

The team has been noodling around since the first game and here we are still in last place. I'm taking off for Chicago next week to see our team take on the Cubs and I'm sure not going to see them display the same chicken s*** attitude that has come to represent them the past couple of seasons. I want to see the real Red Sox there, not the pack of moaners and complainers that seem to be in evidence on the current makeup of the club.

Fred, have you been to Chicago in the past.

[redsoxbeatz]

He never did throw his real heat of 97+ as a starter. Why not?

 

I think he could try again as the starter or go to the bp as long as his pitches are working for him, he shouldn't go anywhere till then.

[lesterkett]

First Bard pitch at 96 mph. Second one hits d'Arnaud with 95 mph

[redsoxrules]

Hit 2 batters in the first

[redsoxrules]

Bard pulled after one inning,

 

I wonder why

[Station 13]

Bard pulled after one inning,

 

I wonder why

 

he was scheduled just 1.

[jung]

I actually thought he was scheduled to go two innings but that could have been changed after I heard two....could have been changed couple minutes ago for that matter.

 

Anyway most of us said the same thing when he went down...he had to realize that he could not pitch that way up here. Opposition pitchers would not care if he was hitting guys by accident or on purpose...if you are going to insist on running a guy out there that does not know where the ball is going, expect retaliation and I mean RETALIATION.

[VA Sox Fan]

Hit 2 batters in the first

 

Are you kidding??

[Station 13]

Did he work out the stretch or windup?

[Station 13]

Are you kidding??

 

I think he needs to shut it up already about mechanics. This is a trip down to fix it and no need to get worked out about his first game.

[a700hitter]

Bard pulled after one inning,

 

I wonder why

He"s a mess. They probably ruined him.

[FredLynn]

He"s a mess. They probably ruined him.

 

True, dat.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm afraid the truth may be that Bard has always struggled with the mental part of the game and this starter experiment is only bringing it to full light. If you look at Bard's catcher splits it's kind of shocking. The only catcher he actually has great numbers with is Varitek. Absolutely lights-out with Varitek, mediocre to bad with everyone else.

[seabeachfred]

Fred' date=' have you been to Chicago in the past.[/quote']

 

I just got back on the board Ted so sorry to be late with my reply. Yes, I've been to Chicago three times----1998, 2008 and 2010. The first time was part of a baseball and history trip that I took while I still was teaching---Gettysburg, Cleveland, Notre Dame and Chicago. I saw the Cubs play four games that trip against the Cards and then the Giants. I wasn't a Red Sox fan at that time.

 

In 2008 I went as part of a Sport Travel Tour but didn't see the Red Sox and the same for 2010. I happen to believe that Fenway and Wrigley are the creme de la creme of baseball venues. You can keep all thos anticeptic state of the art places t hat remind me more of a museum than a baseball park. Those two are to me what baseball is all about, and it brings me back to my early years living in Queens when my dad would take me to Ebbets Field to see the real Dodgers. You know all about that from your dad.

 

I know I've gotten very hot on this board the last week or so but the Red Sox are really trying to ruin my fun with their crappy play. I'm sure you and others are in the same boat. I believe the time has to come very soon when we decide to start putting some of our younger players in the lineup and start the rebuilding process. We not only need new blood, we need a new attitude.

[jung]

I'm afraid the truth may be that Bard has always struggled with the mental part of the game and this starter experiment is only bringing it to full light

 

El correcto I suspect.

[SoxSport]

You have to point to the front office for the Red Sox demise. They went to a different type of manager, but that hasn't changed anything. It's evident the front office is pulling the strings--mostly the wrong strings.