2012 Catch-All Trade Deadline Thread

[kapsis21]

They did DL Sweeney already right or did they not do that yet?

 

last i heard. i think he is on DL.

[Orange Juiced]

:lol: It gives me something to do.:lol:

 

You have nearly 35 *thousand* posts in this forum. It doesn't appear that you have much else to do.

[a700hitter]

You have nearly 35 *thousand* posts in this forum. It doesn't appear that you have much else to do.

The first 35 thousand go very quickly.

[italstallianion]

The first 35 thousand go very quickly.

 

 

I usually don't say that until after I'm married.

[a700hitter]

Will Cliff Lee Be Claimed On Waivers?

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [August 3 at 8:05am CST]

 

Cliff Lee is on waivers, so MLB teams must now decide whether to place a claim on the left-hander. For the majority of teams, the decision will be simple. Lee earns far too much for most general managers to make a claim and risk taking on his contract ($21.5MM in 2012, $25MM per season through 2015, and a $27.5MM vesting option for 2016 with a $12.5MM buyout). It’s complex enough for GMs to boost payroll by a few million with a summer acquisition, so a player with $95MM on his contract will be out of the question in most cases.

 

But Lee could tempt a team or two. He continues to pitch effectively -- seven innings per start, five times as many strikeouts as walks and a 3.73 ERA in a so-called down year -- and there’s no better staring pitcher available. Maybe $95MM for three-plus seasons would be acceptable for a team with aggressive ownership, such as the Dodgers.

 

If Lee does get claimed, the Phillies could pull him back off of waivers, work out a trade, or assign his contract to the team that wins the claim (the left-hander can block trades to 21 teams). If he goes unclaimed, the Phillies will be able to trade Lee with the same restrictions they’d encounter in July or in the offseason. How will it all unfold?

[redsoxfan3]

He probably has nothing left at all. He is in Ft. Myers working with Chris Correnti. The Sox have people down there. It can't hurt for someone to grab a gun and watch him throw. If he has nothing' date=' they should be able to tell pretty quickly.[/quote']

 

The Derek Lowe situation is very interesting. He has sucked as of late, but he also had bright spots in 2012. Lowe is saying that he just needs some time to rework on some things. Red Sox scouts will definitely be keeping an eye on him. If scouts think he is pitching well and that he can help the team out, I would be all for giving him a shot. I have always been a big Lowe fan. I hope that we can just get rid of Cook and Dice-K. If that means bring Morales back to the rotation, then I am all for it. I think he should have been in the rotation in the first place. If we do go after Lowe, I think we should let him pitch a game in Pawtucket and if he does solid, then bring him up. I don't want to be optimistic with him, because it is hard to tell if he has anything left in the tank. He does have experience in the pen and as a starter, so that is a plus. If anything, he could be a bullpen piece and eat some innings or be a spot starter if someone gets hurt (a.k.a. Josh Beckett). I am not big on a six man rotation and I do want to see Morales start. If things do work out with Derek Lowe and scouts think he still has something left, then I would not be against giving him a shot. It is a tough situation, especially with Dice-K and Cook still with the team. It would make things a lot easier if we could just ditch both.

 

They did DL Sweeney already right or did they not do that yet?

 

They did that already. Lavarnway, Mortensen, and Kalish are all guys that were called up with the trades and the injuries recently.

[kapsis21]

we need a veteran a true veteran, and we all know Beckett is not one. loved Schilling's presence on the mound and in the clubhouse.

[redsoxfan3]

we need a veteran a true veteran' date=' and we all know Beckett is not one. loved Schilling's presence on the mound and in the clubhouse.[/quote']

 

Lowe could be that and I think that is what you are getting at. It is hard to tell if has something left in the tank, but only time will tell. We just need someone to take a leadership role among the pitchers. Lowe could definitely help in that role. A change of scenery and some time off could really help him out. How awesome would that be if Lowe could some how regain form and help this team make the playoffs? That seems like a dream at this point, but it sounds good. Who is a better fit for this team than a guy who has been part of this team for seven years and helped us win a World Series? Realistically, nothing will probably come out of this.

[italstallianion]

I think we need a veteran/coach that'll come in and smack some of the players upside their heads. I'm talking about a good old fashioned 1970-era ass whoopin.

[wyo-sox]

I think we need a veteran/coach that'll come in and smack some of the players upside their heads. I'm talking about a good old fashioned 1970-era ass whoopin.

 

I agree with you 100%. I however don't know if it's possible given the lengthy and bloated contracts players make. Obviously in this day and age nobody is going to go hands on. And I don't know how you can really verbally call someone out when they have a gauranteed contract worth ten times what you make and are under contract for six years longer than you are. Ecspecially if the FO has the players backs over the managers.

[a700hitter]

I agree with you 100%. I however don't know if it's possible given the lengthy and bloated contracts players make. Obviously in this day and age nobody is going to go hands on. And I don't know how you can really verbally call someone out when they have a gauranteed contract worth ten times what you make and are under contract for six years longer than you are. Ecspecially if the FO has the players backs over the managers.

Bobby V tried sending a message to the locker room early on. The comments at Youk we intended to target a veteran who had respect in the locker room. The comments were intended to piss off Youk. He picked a guy who he thought it would motivate, because Youk has always been a hard worker who struggled against the odds. That's how a new boss sends a message. They think if he will go after Youk, he'll think nothing of coming after me. They don't like the comments, and they may even think the comments are unfair, but if he has the backing of management, it can be very effective to make the guys sit up and take notice of the new manager.

 

Well, as soon as he made the remarks a bunch of things happened--- all cutting against the Bobby V and not only neutralizing the effect of the comments but turning the comments and the team against him in a disdainful manner. First Pedroia opened his flapping yap with his we don't do things that way here. He showed leadership by showing the rest of the clubhouse that they don't have to take Bobby V's s***. Next, the GM in the form of that weasel Cherington made Bobby V. apologize. From that point on, it was over for Bobby V. First, Cherington should have called in Pedroia and explained to him that his comments were detrimental and that they undermined the authority of the manager. Maybe he'd learn to stop flapping his gums so indiscriminately. Second, Benny the Boob, LL and John Henry all should have said that they support the manager in response to any question about the incident. The players and the locker room are his domain. They didn't do those things and they neutered the manager.

 

What a combination to start the season: the same spoiled, entitled, out of shape chicken eating beer swilling group of unmotivated players that imploded in 2011 (less the best closer in team history and the really good 8th inning pitcher) led by a neutered manager. Was there any chance for success from this collection? No

[wyo-sox]

^ well said

[jung]

And now today we have the wonderful Boston media declaring V dead in fact so dead that some of them are calling for his firing right now.

 

Does the media in Boston have any respect at all for the fans? Are they dedicated to reporting the story and then giving a journalistic view or are they dedicated to continuing to fuel the fire regardless of how much of a conflagration is going already. Will they not be happy until there is an ultimate nuclear holocaust to report on and opine about? Will that even be enough for them?

 

To be honest I don't think so. I am not trying to blame this mess on the media. Red Sox Management appears defocused and out of touch, only concerned with generating revenue from the existing brand with no interest in improving the quality of the product on the field, substandard FO performance and substandard on the field player performance accompanied by whining on a level that boggles the imagination and who knows about the manager since he was done in on day 1. So there is plenty of blame to go around within the organization. There is no need for the media to just keep pushing this even farther. There just isn't. Just stop for God sake...please just stop because I for one have no interest in seeing this just totally explode. Does not do me any good. I guess media ratings will get a boost but maybe not. Maybe we will all have just had enough by then and tune them out....change the channel....cause it is getting to the point where there is simply no reason to play into this ******** any longer.

[kapsis21]

Lowe could be that and I think that is what you are getting at. It is hard to tell if has something left in the tank' date=' but only time will tell. We just need someone to take a leadership role among the pitchers. Lowe could definitely help in that role. A change of scenery and some time off could really help him out. How awesome would that be if Lowe could some how regain form and help this team make the playoffs? That seems like a dream at this point, but it sounds good. Who is a better fit for this team than a guy who has been part of this team for seven years and helped us win a World Series? Realistically, nothing will probably come out of this.[/quote']

yep... you got it. as good as it sounds to be i hope it turns out that way.

[a700hitter]

And now today we have the wonderful Boston media declaring V dead in fact so dead that some of them are calling for his firing right now.

 

Does the media in Boston have any respect at all for the fans? Are they dedicated to reporting the story and then giving a journalistic view or are they dedicated to continuing to fuel the fire regardless of how much of a conflagration is going already. Will they not be happy until there is an ultimate nuclear holocaust to report on and opine about? Will that even be enough for them?

 

To be honest I don't think so. I am not trying to blame this mess on the media. Red Sox Management appears defocused and out of touch, only concerned with generating revenue from the existing brand with no interest in improving the quality of the product on the field, substandard FO performance and substandard on the field player performance accompanied by whining on a level that boggles the imagination and who knows about the manager since he was done in on day 1. So there is plenty of blame to go around within the organization. There is no need for the media to just keep pushing this even farther. There just isn't. Just stop for God sake...please just stop because I for one have no interest in seeing this just totally explode. Does not do me any good. I guess media ratings will get a boost but maybe not. Maybe we will all have just had enough by then and tune them out....change the channel....cause it is getting to the point where there is simply no reason to play into this ******** any longer.

When a team is bad and completely boring to boot, the Press needs to create drama.

[Bellhorn04]

The Dodgers acquired Blanton from the Phillies in a waiver claim, in return for cash or a PTBNL.

[Jasonbay44]

Cliff Lee was claimed off waivers, identity of team who claimed him is not yet known.

[RedSoxNC84]

Picking up Lowe is the huge blockbuster deal that would be right up Cherington's alley, why hasn't this happened yet????

[SCM33]

Picking up Lowe is the huge blockbuster deal that would be right up Cherington's alley' date=' why hasn't this happened yet????[/quote']

 

Kidding right?

[SoxSport]

The Dodgers acquired Blanton from the Phillies in a waiver claim' date=' in return for cash or a PTBNL.[/quote']

 

They also put the claim in on Lee, and said they would pay $95 mil--essentially all of his salary.

 

The two LA teams have been going on a salary dump spending spree this season which hasn't quite been portrayed that way by the media. The Dodgers feel a need to keep up with the Angels and are trying to beat the Giants in the West. Like the Angels, they are spending their huge local TV contract money.Buying players essentially for cash. But free fall spending doesn't always work out. Not without a solid plan. Look at the Red Sox and the Marlins.

 

Remember when Bowie Kuhn prevented Finley from selling his stars to the Yankees and the Red Sox? The days when a Commissioner was a real Commissioner, and Baseball had the integrity it no longer has.

[MJantomaso]

NEWS: Red Sox acquired 3B Danny Valencia from the Twins in exchange for OF Jeremias Pineda.

 

ANALYSIS:* He's been assigned to Triple-A Pawtucket. Valencia was the Twins' Opening Day third baseman but was demoted after batting a paltry .190/.204/.290 with one homer over 27 games. He was blocked in Minnesota by Trevor Plouffe, but he'll have a similar problem in Boston behind Will Middlebrooks.

 

 

I like Valencia. He's young still with some upside. This kid mashed at the U. Hopefully he can turn out to be something.

[italstallianion]

For reference, Jeremias Pineda is the CF on the GCL team, is 21 (turning 22 in November) and known for his speed and arm, but his weakness is his bat. His stats aren't noteworthy at this point.

 

Edit: Soxprospects has him as the #58 prospect in our system.

[a700hitter]

The Valencia trade makes no sense. It doesn't address a need of the organization this season or in the future. Does this guy Benny have a plan?

[Thunder]

Red Sox are stacked with outfielders even in the minors. Punto can't do anything and they don't have a quality back up until they reach AAA. seems like an okay deal to me.

[a700hitter]

Red Sox are stacked with outfielders even in the minors. Punto can't do anything and they don't have a quality back up until they reach AAA. seems like an okay deal to me.

If they keep Ciriaco to play utility IF, they could swap out Valencia for Punto. He will get 0 playing time behind WMB, so it doesn't make a lot of sense. We have much bigger needs than backup at 3B.

[Bellhorn04]

I think Ben's greatest joy this year is assembling a powerhouse in Pawtucket.

[3rdManOut]

The Valencia trade makes no sense. It doesn't address a need of the organization this season or in the future. Does this guy Benny have a plan?

 

I didn't really understand this trade either. I forget who we sent over to get Valencia but comparing numbers between both players it would seem like the Twins got the better deal. Also I thought we had just about solved our third base issue, no?

[jung]

It makes me wonder if they are setting up for some bundled player off season trades that will involve multiple players from within the farm system and on the ML roster. Given what has happened here would that be a complete surprise.

[Rdsxmbnt]

The answer is that Mauro Gomez was the backup 3B when WMB went down. This fixes that and they got a guy with decent upside for a non-top 50 red sox prospect.

[SoxSport]

I think the fans have a pretty good idea at this point the Red Sox have deep conflicts right up the line, aside from Valentine. Even the media is starting to say that. Just a matter of time before Cherington and the front office get put over the coals, as well as LL and Henry. Borges has spelled out the situation pretty clearly in a couple of articles at the Herald. The Red Sox are no longer a topic of discussion on MLB TV, a sign that the media recognizes they have serious internal problems.