2012 Catch-All Trade Deadline Thread

[a700hitter]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2012/07/31/careful_shopping_needed_in_this_market/

 

Carfardo this morning says Ben & Co are taking a cautious approach. ??

 

But LL said they were going to be "bold."

 

We did learn that Texas wanted Cook before the Yankee series, but the Sox turned them down.

So they start him in Yankee Stadium, he shits the bed, and the Rangers now are not interested.

Plus they got Soto instead of Shoppach. Not starting Morales instead of Cook in NY was very damaging to Boston--in more ways than one. Was V's hands tied on this one?

 

 

The impression I get of Cherington--no initiative. Passive guy. Waits too long.

Don't get your hopes up. He isn't a change type of guy. He won't last as GM.

 

LA TV power is showing itself again this year with the hyperactive Dodgers. Last year it was the Angels.

Next year it might be the Mets. TV wishes every team was in NY and LA. These are the big spending teams.

All the good deals pass by Cherries. He seems very indecisive.

[VA Sox Fan]

All the good deals pass by Cherries. He seems very indecisive.

 

I honestly don't think it's up to Cherington. LL has made all the calls since BV was hired, IMO.

[User Name]

I honestly don't think it's up to Cherington. LL has made all the calls since BV was hired' date=' IMO.[/quote']

 

I will never understand how people think they can judge someone's character by reading a couple headlines. No one here knows the inner dealings of the organization. It seems like a pretty ridiculous undertaking to me.

[kapsis21]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2012/07/31/careful_shopping_needed_in_this_market/

 

Carfardo this morning says Ben & Co are taking a cautious approach. ??

 

But LL said they were going to be "bold."

 

We did learn that Texas wanted Cook before the Yankee series, but the Sox turned them down.

So they start him in Yankee Stadium, he shits the bed, and the Rangers now are not interested.

Plus they got Soto instead of Shoppach. Not starting Morales instead of Cook in NY was very damaging to Boston--in more ways than one. Was V's hands tied on this one?

 

 

The impression I get of Cherington--no initiative. Passive guy. Waits too long.

Don't get your hopes up. He isn't a change type of guy. He won't last as GM.

 

LA TV power is showing itself again this year with the hyperactive Dodgers. Last year it was the Angels.

Next year it might be the Mets. TV wishes every team was in NY and LA. These are the big spending teams.

 

the start Cook had against the Yankees was impacted by 2 crucial errors Aviles made. he would have had a decent start otherwise. and lets not forget the bandbox of a stadium it is where a flyball gets out for a HR.

[VA Sox Fan]

I will never understand how people think they can judge someone's character by reading a couple headlines. No one here knows the inner dealings of the organization. It seems like a pretty ridiculous undertaking to me.

 

You don't feel that BV was who LL wanted and not Cherington?

[User Name]

You don't feel that BV was who LL wanted and not Cherington?

 

I don't mean you. I mean a700 and SoxSport. It's obvious Lucchino runs the organization, because John Henry said so himself, yet they keep attempting to judge Cherington's character without understanding (none of us do) his situation.

[SoxSport]

Here's another humorous article by Callahan about a Ben news conference:

 

http://bostonherald.com/sports/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1061149785&position=1

 

He has Ben excusing himself to bring the game lineup card down to Bobby V.

 

Passan said in a WEEI interview V's managership will end "in a mushroom cloud."

[SoxSport]

the start Cook had against the Yankees was impacted by 2 crucial errors Aviles made. he would have had a decent start otherwise. and lets not forget the bandbox of a stadium it is where a flyball gets out for a HR.

 

Tell it to the Rangers.

[SoxSport]

From the latest tweets, looks like the most likely deal to happen for the Sox involves Shoppy or Salty.

They want to free up room to bring up Lav. It's about time.

 

Wish they would deal Aviles, too. They need a look at Iggy--their highest paid SS.

[Bellhorn04]

Don't trade Shoppy, trade Salty. We're 23-13 when Shoppy starts.

[jung]

Throw Aviles in to the deal for a bag a balls...somebody else will only view him as the utility infielder he is, not the SS he isn't. Punto with an occasional wall ball thrown in.

 

I do completely agree that it is a Salty of Shop level deal that is likely here.

 

Nobody wants the guy or guys we really want to move....Beckett...Sox don't want to give up Lester when they are already weak in starting pitching seeing him as somebody that can make it back.

[SoxSport]

The pattern for the Sox for quite a while now has been to stay around.500---they win a few, to get hopes up, then they lose a few. The net result is they stay at .500.

 

I would expect that to continue unless Beckett and Lester start to pitch consistently well, and win games.

The other starters are holding their own--though Cook needs to be replaced by Morales.

 

The other thing they need is to have Ellsbury and Crawford get on base and steal steal steal. That means more walks. Crawford can't throw, but he sure as hell can run.

 

Iggy, by the way, has been slumping in AAA. Remember Reddick? He sucked in Pawtucket. Some guys rise to the occasion. Iggy was screwed over pre-season, and it may have affected his motivation. Looked good in spring training.

[VA Sox Fan]

I don't mean you. I mean a700 and SoxSport. It's obvious Lucchino runs the organization' date=' because John Henry said so himself, yet they keep attempting to judge Cherington's character without understanding (none of us do) his situation.[/quote']

 

Oh, I see. I agree.

[a700hitter]

I honestly don't think it's up to Cherington. LL has made all the calls since BV was hired' date=' IMO.[/quote']Whatever the reason, it makes Cherries seem indecisive. It could be that he is not permitted to make a decision, but whoever is making the decisions is slow on the trigger. They seem to be mulling while other teams are acting.

[jung]

At this point the roadblock to Iggy is not Aviles but Ciriaco. Lets face it, if the Sox were willing to take Aviles butchery at SS for his hitting they sure as hell will take the combination of defense and hitting that Ciriaco brings to the table. At least there is some rational for a Ciriaco road block. He looks very smooth around SS even though he has mostly been playing 2nd in the minors.

 

I think for some here, seeing how smooth and graceful Ciriaco was around SS finally gave them some comparative input to use in their analysis of Aviles at SS although if you were looking for the right things, Aviles issues at SS were there to see from day 1.

 

I would still like to see Iggy here for the later part of the season and I think we will. Ciriaco is such a versatile player he can play elsewhere.

[a700hitter]

The Dodgers are really wheeling and dealing. They have already added HanRam, Brandon League, and they are making efforts to get Victorino and Dempster too. That is a pretty good makeover. We will get someone like Randy Wolf or worse.

[jung]

Well we could not do enough to compare to the Angels in our league anyway. If the Angels do not get past the Rangers they are not even going to have to worry about who pitches in the one game play in....they will be at home and will be able to throw a guy that we may be able to match up with if we can pitch Buch. We are on the east coast for all the final games of the season. So we would have to finish, fly all the way to Anaheim and if we win that game, fly all the way back to Boston...sort of diminishes the value of starting that series at home. The only thing that might save them is if they get in and out of Anaheim so fast that their bodies do not even feel like they went anywhere.

[SemperFi Sox]

and cherington is doing jack s***.

[BornToRun]

There isn't much for him to do and we still have a few hours until the deadline.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Red Sox FO in January: "We traded Scutaro because we want some flexibility, not necessarily right now, but at the trade deadline as well."

 

Red Sox FO in July: "We didn't feel that we needed to do anything and didn't want to take on additional salary."

 

Ugh.

[a700hitter]

Red Sox FO in January: "We traded Scutaro because we want some flexibility, not necessarily right now, but at the trade deadline as well."

 

Red Sox FO in July: "We didn't feel that we needed to do anything and didn't want to take on additional salary."

 

Ugh.

It's just spin to keep the Kool Aid drinkers thirsty.

[a700hitter]

Dodgers Acquire Shane Victorino

By Tim Dierkes [July 31 at 10:58am CST]

 

Shane Victorino is returning to the organization that drafted him in 1999. The Dodgers acquired Victorino from the Phillies today for starting pitching prospect Ethan Martin and reliever Josh Lindblom, according to Yahoo's Tim Brown (Twitter link). It's been another active summer for Dodgers GM Ned Colletti, who also acquired Hanley Ramirez, Randy Choate, and Brandon League this month.

The Dodgers will not miss either one of the guys that they gave up.

 

And the Red Sox aggressive move is...?

[BornToRun]

I mean what's out there though? Nothing really jumps out at me as an obvious move for BC to make.

[a700hitter]

Giants Acquire Hunter Pence

By Tim Dierkes [July 31 at 11:23am CST]

 

The Giants bolstered their lineup today, acquiring Hunter Pence from the Phillies and countering the Dodgers' aggressive moves, tweets SI's Jon Heyman.

And Cherries is getting very confused: "What do I do!! What do I do!!"

[a700hitter]

I mean what's out there though? Nothing really jumps out at me as an obvious move for BC to make.

They say Cliff Lee is available. Also, Dempster can't cost much at all. Are you seeing what teams are giving up in return? Nothing earth shattering. There are no Will Middlebrooks type names getting exchanged.

[BornToRun]

They say Cliff Lee is available. Also' date=' Dempster can't cost much at all. Are you seeing what teams are giving up in return? Nothing earth shattering. There are no Will Middlebrooks type names getting exchanged.[/quote']

 

The Phillies would have to eat a large chunk of that contract for me to even consider going after Lee. And Dempster isn't anything special and it doesn't even matter because I've been hearing that he'd only waive his 10-5 rights to go to LA.

[jung]

Well, if I wanted to look at it from the other side of the fence I guess I would say that I suspect they have spent more time trying to dump Beckett on somebody than anything else and that is the other end of the "nobody is giving up much for the guys that are changing hands" comment. Beckett is no longer one of those big name guys. Teams are likely not offering anything back and still sticking the Sox with more salary than they are willing to take.

 

Just because his name is Beckett does not mean he is worth more than any other 91-92 mph FB pitcher with occasional control problems that result in blowup innings against.

 

In fact now that Buch has had another good start it is probably time to review the rotation changes that have occurred this year.

 

We started with in order:

Lester

Beckett

Buch

Felix

Bard

 

Right now I would say that in order we have:

Buch

Felix

Lester Either 3 or 4

Beckett Either 4 of 3

Cook

 

Felix may shortly be pitching on fumes. I guess they seem pretty adamant about protecting Morales arm. There is a fearsome post season rotation if I ever saw one. Would love to see these guys pitching against hitters hitting with post season intensity when adrenaline makes the ball look like a grapefruit coming up there anyway. The pitchers have to have both the physical and mental capability to match that intensity. In that environment I would trust Buch......and lets see....well....Buch and....ah.......Buch......and............hum

[SoxFanForsyth]

This is disgusting.

 

Cherrington hasn't even gotten a good RUMOR started, much less a trade.

[BornToRun]

Probably standing pat this year which is what I would prefer and am totally okay with. I'd rather take a chance on Beckett and Lester getting it going over the next two months than overpaying. It isn't as if we're 1 or 2 games back on the WC or division.

 

We're 4 out with several teams to leap frog. I believe that we have a chance but this is the not the team I want Ben going into complete "buy" mode to improve heading into August or September.

 

If something had popped up that fit our needs and wasn't going to cost too much, I'm sure we'd have heard about it. The fact is that there isn't much for the Sox to do at the deadline this year. At least in my opinion.

[Orange Juiced]

I'd try to do the following by 4:00 today:

 

(1) Kick the tires seriously on Justin Masterson. Not having a good year, but has a live arm, was terrific last year, is just 27, and is cost-controlled for a couple more years.

 

(2) Trade Cook and something else (a minor prospect, Aviles, Albers, whatever) to get a solid lefty reliever. Maybe to the Reds for Sean Marshall.

 

(3) Move Morales into the rotation.

 

(4) Wait-and-see on Beckett. Good chance he could be moved after the trade deadline. Why? Because he'll almost certainly pass through waivers, but if he gives the Sox a few good starts after that, teams might be interested in him. You have Masterson there to take his spot. Until then, Masterson serves in the bullpen as a nasty right-handed option.