Bye Bye Pineda... Gone for 2012

[MNSoxChief102]

:lol:

 

http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/7855551/new-york-yankees-michael-pineda-2012-shoulder-injury

 

New York Yankees pitcher Michael Pineda will miss the entire 2012 season due to a right shoulder anterior labral tear.

 

Pineda will have surgery May 1, the Yankees announced Wednesday.

 

It is yet another turn in what has become the puzzling saga of the 23-year-old right-hander the Yankees acquired from Seattle in January in exchange for Jesus Montero, the most highly touted hitting prospect in their farm system.

 

Pineda was 9-10 with a 3.74 ERA for the weak-hitting Mariners in his rookie season, but his effectiveness fell off markedly in the second half of the season, when his ERA rose and his velocity declined after the All-Star break.

 

The Yankees had attributed his second-half decline to fatigue due to his workload -- Pineda threw 171 innings in 2011 -- but after showing up for spring training some 20 pounds overweight, he continued to have problems with his velocity. He lasted just 2 2/3 innings in his final preseason game, having allowed six runs and seven hits to the Phillies on March 30.

[Station 13]

don't worry, they have Freddy Garcia in his place.

[User Name]

I honestly think the Yankees fabricated the shoulder injury for Pineda. What it comes down to is that they do not want another Phil Hughes incident. Another young pitcher coming off a big workload who didnt do s*** in the off-season. He comes in overweight and without his plus stuff' date=' so they wanted to justify putting him on the shelf until he gets back into shape. They couldnt justify optioning him due to his performance the yr before and also due to the fact that he's been effective in the spring up until his final start. The Yankees also have a glut of starters with another borderline HOF starter warming up for May. They also couldnt unload one of their starters in the spring in Garcia. This gives them the best of all worlds. Pineda won't file a grievance because he's racking up big league time and money. Garcia gets to build his value and start. And just as Pettitte is rounding into form, Garcia will have either shat the bed or built his value into a tradeable commodity. All the while, Pineda is in fat camp working off the extra lb's while working up his arm. By June, he'll be back throwing his typical mid 90s stuff and looking more svelt while prior to that, the Yankees get to see if Pettitte still has it. It will be interesting nonetheless, but I am excited to see how it plays out. I do feel like the Yankees have a solid rotation right now due to the fact that Hughes looks like he's back in 2010 form. And with the addition of Kuroda, they actually do have a formidable top 5. But it will get so much better should Pettitte come back on point and Pineda be able to get into shape. Pretty pumped for the yr. I took Friday off to see them start the season![/quote']

 

....and the homersauce fails again. Maybe they're "fabricating" the surgery?

[redsoxrules]

Wow , they just pissed away Montero for nothing lol

[a700hitter]

If he was not a Yankee, this would be sad news.

[Dojji]

Just imagine Jacko's reaction if Pineda was a Red Sox.

 

"Oh, that's a particularly bad kind of injury and not only is he gone forever, but he'll be Kyle Snyder when he gets back because you never recover fully from this kind of surgery."

 

There'd be something to it too -- look at Erik Bedard.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Lol

[mvp 78]

Jacko said he'd be out only 15 days and DiceK wouldn't pitch til September. Looks like talksox will need another dr to post so that we can get a second opinion. His track record may be worse than the Sox's medical staff.

[Meh]

Wow ' date=' they just pissed away Montero for nothing lol[/quote']

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=campos003jos

[Flynnatic10]

f***.

[Northern Star]

Maybe they're "fabricating" the surgery?

 

:lol:

[example1]

Where's Jacko?

 

They just traded Montero for a guy who is going to miss the 2012 season? Probably the most valuable Yankees home-grown prospect since, who Jacko, Robbie Cano? Traded for that. Bummer.

[Divinity]

Oh noes, a 23 year old pitcher is going to miss a single season, what will they do.

[SoxFanForsyth]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=campos003jos

 

Great. They have a guy who is throwing well in the SALLY league. That makes up for Montero.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Oh noes' date=' a 23 year old pitcher is going to miss a single season, what will they do.[/quote']

 

...but you lost Montero. Who apparently everyone was busting a nut over before.

[ORS]

Oh noes' date=' a 23 year old pitcher is going to miss a single season, what will they do.[/quote']

If you think it is as simple as missing one season, well, it says a lot about your understanding of his injury, which is not entirely surprising. The chances he comes back as the guy the Yankees traded for is small.

[example1]

If you think it is as simple as missing one season' date=' well, it says a lot about your understanding of his injury, which is not entirely surprising. The chances he comes back as the guy the Yankees traded for is small.[/quote']

 

To be fair, most teams give up their best prospect in the past decade for pitchers who are immediately injured.

 

You and I are only gloating because this is the Yankees.

 

We are biased.

[Divinity]

If you think it is as simple as missing one season' date=' well, it says a lot about your understanding of his injury, which is not entirely surprising. The chances he comes back as the guy the Yankees traded for is small.[/quote']

 

I'm aware injuries like his often ruin a pitcher’s career. The trade was not made for 2012, or even 2013, but for the long term future of the organization, and Pineda can still offer that potential #2 stuff. It may just take a little longer that we first thought.

[example1]

I'm aware injuries like his often ruin a pitcher’s career. The trade was not made for 2012' date=' or even 2013, but for the long term future of the organization, and Pineda can still offer that potential #2 stuff. It may just take a little longer that we first thought.[/quote']

 

You're right, he could offer that good stuff. I would rather have a guy like him working his way back than most pitchers, due to his stuff and frame, etc., At the very least he could be a Rafael Soriano type out of the bullpen.

 

That said, to think that you gave up Jesus Montero for him should be a bit sickening. Montero was good enough to be a middle-order bat for years to come. One of the game's best prospects.

 

Do you think anyone would give up Montero for him now?

[ORS]

I'm aware injuries like his often ruin a pitcher’s career. The trade was not made for 2012' date=' or even 2013, but for the long term future of the organization, and Pineda can still offer that potential #2 stuff. It may just take a little longer that we first thought.[/quote']

Pineda is likely going to have to learn pitch like a seasoned veteran with diminished velocity overnight. Well, over a year from now when he starts throwing again, but he probably won't be pumping gas like he did as a rookie, and was a big key to his success early last year. If I'm a Yankee fan, I'm disappointed by the outcome of this trade.

[Divinity]

 

That said, to think that you gave up Jesus Montero for him should be a bit sickening. Montero was good enough to be a middle-order bat for years to come. One of the game's best prospects.

 

Do you think anyone would give up Montero for him now?

 

Being a DH will significantly hurt Montero’s value, and even if he becomes a well-above average hitter, he will not be nearly as valuable as he would be if he could play defense.

 

As of today it looks like the Yankees got the short side of the stick. Pineda was fully healthy when the Yanks acquired him, it's just an unfortunate circumstance.

[User Name]

....but at least Montero's playing.

[jacksonianmarch]

Pineda is likely going to have to learn pitch like a seasoned veteran with diminished velocity overnight. Well' date=' over a year from now when he starts throwing again, but he probably won't be pumping gas like he did as a rookie, and was a big key to his success early last year. If I'm a Yankee fan, I'm disappointed by the outcome of this trade.[/quote']

 

That about sums it up

[redsoxbeatz]

f*** the yanks and all whO play for them Don't wish harm on Pineda but him out means a weaker pitching rotation for the sox to crush.

[jacksonianmarch]

This is obviously crushing. I should have stuck to my initial visceral reaction to the Montero deal and when the Yankees saw Pineda show up to his physical looking like a behemoth, they should have voided the trade.

 

Here's the thing about the labrum. Standard recovery time is around 12 months, but it is frought with complications. It sounds like his injury is an isolated labral team, instead of a SLAP tear that would hit the biceps tendon as well, which is the one of the pluses you can take from this. The other is his age, which should lend him to recover better than those who are in their 30s. The problems come about with the recovery. There are frequent setbacks and what kills careers is when the labrum doesnt heal right, which happens more frequently than most other non shoulder surgeries, and causes the player to have to go under the knife more than once. There was a study done at an outlying hospital from 98-03 on pitchers with labrum surgery, showing that only 29% of them returned for 3 or more seasons, although the ones that did showed no diminishment in results. The procedure has improved dramatically since then, but it still a crap shoot. Diminished velo is often the rule, but also rarely do you see a player this young undergo the procedure. The only other prominent player I remember going through this at such a young age was Schilling back in the early 90s and he came through with flying colors. That is rare.

 

As of right now, you can take Pineda's name and toss it into the unknown pool. It is completely possible that the kid comes back throwing mid 90s ched again and returns showing solid stuff. It is also completely possible that this is one of multiple shoulder surgeries he will need and he may not suit up in pinstripes ever. The crap shoot nature of this surgery has taken him out of any forseeable plans for the future and put his career entirely at the mercy of the surgical staff, which sucks.

[BSN07]

The labrum surgery is what TJS used to be, it was the kiss of death to a career and if you recovered from it you were considered lucky. This is about the worst thing a pitcher can here. Anyone rememeber the ESPN commercial with Kenny Mayne where he asks the guy about his labrum tear and the player didn't know and starts crying?

 

Will this ruin the Yankees? No. But if this happened to the Red Sox player that had that much promise and who they traded such a promising talent for I would be absolutely gutted.

[jacksonianmarch]

A labrum tear is not the worst thing for a pitcher. A rotator cuff tear still remains the worst thing you see regularly. But this isnt far behind

[BSN07]

Ya you really don't want to hear any kind of surgery in the shoulder region. It's just so hit or miss whith surgeries. I'm sure at some point they might get them down to a science like TJS. But right now like you said Jacko its a crap shoot.

 

And for the other Yankee fans on this board that are kind of just brushing this off you should know it's serious by Jacko's responses. When he almost immediately resigns to what the Sox fans are saying, it's usually bad news.

 

So will the surgery re-attach the torn part or does there have to be some sort of replacement?

[Meh]

Great. They have a guy who is throwing well in the SALLY league. That makes up for Montero.

 

Well the deal isn't certainly for nothing. Campos would be the Red Sox 2nd or 3rd best prospect right now.

[Meh]

Pineda is likely going to have to learn pitch like a seasoned veteran with diminished velocity overnight. Well' date=' over a year from now when he starts throwing again, but he probably won't be pumping gas like he did as a rookie, and was a big key to his success early last year. If I'm a Yankee fan, I'm disappointed by the outcome of this trade.[/quote']

 

Al Leiter came back from this throwing 97 mph. It's all in the rehab process. It's too early to write Pineda off just yet.