Bobby Valentine: job assessment poll

[Spitball]

Valentine becomes the figurehead of the problem. It runs way, way deeper than that, but having Valentine take the blame is good. It would be problem if the fan-wide blame were directed at Lester, Youkilis, Aceves, or any of the under performing players. I'd give Valentine another two weeks and then bring in someone with a different approach.

[Bellhorn04]

The way this bullpen is going, it might end up being one of the worst in baseball history. Seriously. There is no way you can manage around that. They bring in Bailey and Melancon and both are instant toast. It's just a disastrous situation.

[greenmachine]

Bobby is an ass. He was with the Mets and he was on TV.

[wyo-sox]

Valentine is managing a bad team. That is the reality. He leaves Bard in and Bard falls apart so Valentine is crucified. With Dubront he does the opposite and the pen melys down- so everyone boos Valentine. Where are the boos for Bucholz, for the bullpen, for the non clutch hitting ''super stars''

 

Valentine makes one painfully honest statement about his weak third baseman and the media acts like he did some unspeakable evil. Pedroia has the nerve to call out his boss with ''he'll learn how we do it in Boston''

 

Hey Dustin, the way it is done in Boston is one of the very worst teams there is. I do not want to hear how for a few months last year they were the best team..... that is about as relevant as winning it all in 2004. Consequtively through last Sept to now it is a bad bad team. It was not Franconas fault and with a weaker roster now it sure ain't Valentines fault.

 

Hit the ball, pitch like a pro. Add a couple relievers. Send non productive lazy guys to AAA.

[wyo-sox]

Valentine is managing a bad team. That is the reality. He leaves Bard in and Bard falls apart so Valentine is crucified. With Dubront he does the opposite and the pen melys down- so everyone boos Valentine. Where are the boos for Bucholz, for the bullpen, for the non clutch hitting ''super stars''

 

Valentine makes one painfully honest statement about his weak third baseman and the media acts like he did some unspeakable evil. Pedroia has the nerve to call out his boss with ''he'll learn how we do it in Boston''

 

Hey Dustin, the way it is done in Boston is one of the very worst teams there is. I do not want to hear how for a few months last year they were the best team..... that is about as relevant as winning it all in 2004. Consequtively through last Sept to now it is a bad bad team. It was not Franconas fault and with a weaker roster now it sure ain't Valentines fault.

 

Hit the ball, pitch like a pro. Add a couple relievers. Send non productive lazy guys to AAA.

[witty_alias]

Honestly…Bobby V was set up to fail in Boston. The FO needed a sacrificial lamb to offer up to the fans. Congratulations Bobby you are this lamb. The thing is Bobby probably knew this would happen as well but it was a chance to get back in MLB.

 

As much as I dislike Bobby’s personality (and trust me it is a lot) this really is not his fault.

 

It is impossible to polish as turd and this team right now is a turd.

[Elktonnick]

Honestly…Bobby V was set up to fail in Boston. The FO needed a sacrificial lamb to offer up to the fans. Congratulations Bobby you are this lamb. The thing is Bobby probably knew this would happen as well but it was a chance to get back in MLB.

 

As much as I dislike Bobby’s personality (and trust me it is a lot) this really is not his fault.

 

It is impossible to polish as turd and this team right now is a turd.

 

Love your analogy.

[example1]

Valentine is managing a bad team. That is the reality. He leaves Bard in and Bard falls apart so Valentine is crucified. With Dubront he does the opposite and the pen melys down- so everyone boos Valentine. Where are the boos for Bucholz, for the bullpen, for the non clutch hitting ''super stars''

 

Valentine makes one painfully honest statement about his weak third baseman and the media acts like he did some unspeakable evil. Pedroia has the nerve to call out his boss with ''he'll learn how we do it in Boston''

 

Valentine's quote about Youkilis had to do with Youk's drive and passion, right? Unless you know him personally it is probably hard to verify whether that was "painfully honest" or jus "wrong".

 

Hey Dustin, the way it is done in Boston is one of the very worst teams there is. I do not want to hear how for a few months last year they were the best team..... that is about as relevant as winning it all in 2004. Consequtively through last Sept to now it is a bad bad team. It was not Franconas fault and with a weaker roster now it sure ain't Valentines fault.

 

Get over last year. The reason Pedroia can talk about the way it is done in Boston is because the Red Sox were one of the most successful teams over the past decade. It isn't productive to talk s*** about players on the team, especially not after winning 3 games against a division rival when the team needs it most.

 

Like it or not, the team has lost 5 straight games since that quote. Is it V's fault? No, but it didn't help.

 

If you're going to push on the Sox players to do the right thing, make sure you're holding the manager to the same standard. A 12 year old could tell you that setting off a firestorm around Youkilis was stupid and completely non-productive.

[FredLynn]

Valentine becomes the figurehead of the problem. It runs way' date=' way deeper than that, but having Valentine take the blame is good. It would be problem if the fan-wide blame were directed at Lester, Youkilis, Aceves, or any of the under performing players. I'd give Valentine another two weeks and then bring in someone with a different approach.[/quote']

 

Firing Valentine is not going to solve our pitching problems. Cafardo wrote a piece today advocating Bard to the pen and Cook to the rotation. Not sure that will help a lot but something has to be tried. DiceK is not too far away either. Maybe he will be of some help.

And if you look at the standings and the date, no one in the ALE is tearing it up. We are now four games behind the leader in the lost column. If, miraculously, moving Bard to the pen plus the addition of Tazawa, Cook, and DiceK make our pitching acceptable who knows? It can't continue to be this bad, could it?

[Elktonnick]

Valentine becomes the figurehead of the problem. It runs way' date=' way deeper than that, but having Valentine take the blame is good. It would be problem if the fan-wide blame were directed at Lester, Youkilis, Aceves, or any of the under performing players. I'd give Valentine another two weeks and then bring in someone with a different approach.[/quote']

 

There is nothing wrong with his approach. This is lousy team with the worst bullpen in baseball and a starting rotation that is questionable.

 

It had problems in September that simply weren't addressed. As long as Cherrington is the GM they aren't going to be either. He is indecisive. Epstein and Cherrington didn't empower Francona and enabled the malcontent players last year and they aren't empowering their new manager this year. Bringing in a new skipper isn't going to fix anything, not when you got a triple AAA bullpen, an over the hill 3rd baseman, a weak catcher, a fill-in shortstop and a minor league outfield until Crawford and Ellsbury come back.

[iortiz]

The worst about this, is not the L, or the 15 Runs, or the 3-consecutive L or the 35+ Rs we ate in the last 3 games . The worst thing about this is that our pitching staff could tax this pressure to the offense and that could bring us even more problems. Yeah, they are professionals but you still feel. I'm not sure if mentally they are ready to face Today's game.

[mvp 78]

It is impossible to polish as turd and this team right now is a turd.

 

False, this was disproven on Mythbusters. You can polish a turd.

[example1]

No, it can't continue to be this bad.

 

People need to not over-react to any particular outing or game. Losing a game like yesterday is painful, but its just one game.

 

One thing that is lost in yesterdays game is the role that errors played in the Yankees comeback. There is no room for errors. It isn't okay to just make the routine plays at the major league level. Shortstops especially need to proactively make good plays, not just be hoped to make the routine ones.

 

In a rally like yesterday, any team has a limited number of at bats to chip back. You can't give them extra outs. That just kills you.

[yeszir]

I'm sure this has already been said, but I'm pretty sure that Bobby V wasn't the one who gave up 14 runs in 2 innings yesterday.

[example1]

I'm sure this has already been said' date=' but I'm pretty sure that Bobby V wasn't the one who gave up 14 runs in 2 innings yesterday.[/quote']

 

Truth be told, Tito didn't give up any of the runs in the collapse last year either. Bobby V was supposed to come in and crack the team into shape. He was supposed to run a high tempo spring training so they would get off to a better start. He was supposed to come in and provide a shield for the media to keep the players from getting so much s***.

 

So far it hasn't worked out.

 

If anything, it is probably just a good example that the problem with the Red Sox isn't something so vague and amorphous as 'motivation'. It is a lack of talent in key positions, and it might stretch this team to the breaking point.

[Elktonnick]

False' date=' this was disproven on Mythbusters. You can polish a turd.[/quote']

 

That would be s*** shine.

[YAZMAN]

False' date=' this was disproven on Mythbusters. You can polish a turd.[/quote']

 

You can. But it will still stink.

[ibot2much]

Truth be told, Tito didn't give up any of the runs in the collapse last year either. Bobby V was supposed to come in and crack the team into shape. He was supposed to run a high tempo spring training so they would get off to a better start. He was supposed to come in and provide a shield for the media to keep the players from getting so much s***.

 

So far it hasn't worked out.

 

I agree with point 1 and 2--crack the team into shape and run a more arduous ST.....but act as a shield?? No Way. No How. That was Francona's best role and look what it got him in the end.

[mvp 78]

In the end it got him 2 rings.

[ibot2much]

In the end it got him 2 rings.

 

That was the beginning and the middle. IN THE END, it got him fired and the inablity to get another managing job.

[mvp 78]

How many other job openings were there, 2? That's not an indictment on Tito.

[ibot2much]

How many other job openings were there' date=' 2? That's not an indictment on Tito.[/quote']

 

Yea. there were two. How many experienced WS managers were out there looking for those two jobs?

[Dojji]

Yea. there were two. How many experienced WS managers were out there looking for those two jobs?

 

How many of those owners wanted an experienced WS manager?

[FredLynn]

You can. But it will still stink.

 

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[ibot2much]

How many of those owners wanted an experienced WS manager?

 

I don't know, do you? But we do know they didn't want Francona.

[VA Sox Fan]

I don't know' date=' do you? But we do know they didn't want Francona.[/quote']

 

He'll have no trouble getting a managing job if he decides he wants to manage again.

[SoxSport]

Tito has too much baggage to get another managing job--at least right now. But he's got a nice fat media job right now, so what does he care.

[jung]

Well I doubt he has more baggage than V had when V got this job.

 

That book might be as anticipated as Jim Bouton's book when it came out.

[SoxSport]

Well I doubt he has more baggage than V had when V got this job.

 

That book might be as anticipated as Jim Bouton's book when it came out.

 

I'd like to see Tito target the front office. They were pulling the strings when he was manager.

[SCM33]

And this doesn’t include the near player revolt he had on his hands the very first week of spring training when, the Daily News has learned, he got all over shortstop Mike Aviles in what sources described as “a very ugly scene” during infield drills. After a group of Red Sox players confronted him with outrage, Valentine had to apologize to Aviles.

 

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/boston-v-villain-bobby-valentine-managing-a-short-stay-red-sox-article-1.1065385#ixzz1soiUzRRG

 

I thought last years team was unlikable. I love the Redsox franchise, but I hate this team....

 

Likely players involved if I were to guess? The likely subjects IMO....the same ones I said they should have gotten rid of in the offseason. Mr. Kevin Youkilis and Mr. Josh Beckett.

 

What a trainwreck.