A comedy of errors

[Elktonnick]

My apologies then buddy. But i do see where you could have a real argument then

especially with me just re-reading the article and yea i could see where JH could be

trying to much with the soccer brand.

 

Apologies accepted you are a gentlemen and a scholar. Some folks just call people liars without any call just to cause trouble.

[jung]

Well I think that the issue with V is that with only a 2 year contract in hand there is just so much that he can do. The problems that the Sox have are not all about conditioning and weight control and attention to detail and they are certainly not about the dramatic physical impact on players from chicken and beer. By the way I don't think Baseball Genius V or attention to detail V has made an appearance at Fenway yet this year.

 

V is all for show and it is a show that the Organization in the form of LL has wanted. It is a distraction designed to distract us from the real issue. Frankly this team does not have the horses at least for this year. It did not have the horses if Ells and Crawford and Bailey were playing full seasons.

 

It will beat up on the bulk of the lower level teams in the AL and will make some hay doing that. But it does all come down to whether you can win somewhere between 90 and 100 games as far as making the post season is concerned and 90 may not get it done because there are a number of good teams this year that will be beating up on the leagues dregs. Some of these records by year end are likely going to look appallingly bad. I think they will be incredibly fortunate this year to be the second of the two WC teams and if they are still bumping along like this by the 22-23-24 game of the year, they may well be best served making some drastic changes using PawSox personnel that change the profile of this team.

 

Take the team as it is right now just for the heck of it and remove any of Lester, Beckett or Buch due to injury. In my view this team will be lucky to get there if those three guys play the whole season. if any one of them goes down, Cook is no answer. They are screwed entirely at that point.

[Elktonnick]

I have no respect for people who make stuff up

 

You should apologize to whoever taught you how to read since there is no evidence that JH is selling the team

 

I never said there was. What I said was there was ample reporting about troubles in Liverpool. You called me a liar You were wrong there was reporting in the Guardian and New York Times etc. You were too lazy to either read correctly what was written but wanted to insult instead of reason. I am giving you the courtesy of reply which is more courtesy then you show others.

[User Name]

There is no strong supporting evidence anywhere that JH is gearing up to sell the club. A lot of his seeming "disinterest" stems from him trying to take his nose out of team business and handing over the reins to LL. JH simply signs the check. It takes a massive logical leap to come to the conclusion that because Henry has tried to lower his profile after last year's disaster he has no interest in the team.

 

Lots of unsupported conclusions and baseless conjecture floating around here.

[jung]

Can't have it both ways. Can't claim that FSG at the top is ignoring the Sox and planning on selling the Sox in the near term. As I mentioned earlier it just does not work that way. If they were coming up on a sales process in the near term, they would be all over that thing like white on rice.

[Lionbush]

I never said there was. What I said was there was ample reporting about troubles in Liverpool. You called me a liar You were wrong there was reporting in the Guardian and New York Times etc. You were too lazy to either read correctly what was written but wanted to insult instead of reason. I am giving you the courtesy of reply which is more courtesy then you show others.

 

Don't believe everything you read about Liverpool. We have won one trophy this year and are in the final of the fa cup.

 

Considering the club was 2 hours away from going out of business thanks to gillett and hicks before FSG stepped in, thing are going steady in terms of recovery. However there is still a lot to do. That is why they are spending time here.

[Spudboy]

It is a question of value added and cash flow. IMO there is greater opportunity with Liverpool than Boston. I don't think they can appreciate the value of the Sox more than perhaps the 1.% billion they could probably get for the club now. The big opportunity is Liverpool being English Premier League' date=' it has a worldwide market for their kit etc. I just don't see the market for Sox gear having the worldwide potential that Liverpool does. [b']I also think[/b] Henry et al from a management and time management point of view know that it is very difficult to manage two such franchises effectively. This guys ounderstand that. Plus there may be buyers in the US willing to pay top dollar for the Sox. In sum IMHO they are satting the club up for sale. When not if is the question.

 

So your supposition is based on what.....opinion?

[Spudboy]

Wow talk about trying to get a smell from a fart i mean really!. So the FO has other investments and

that means they seem to be exploring leaving the Sox and the NY TIMES! is the source might as well

ask Carrot Top to write for that hack of a paper.

 

Post of the year!

[ibot2much]

There is no strong supporting evidence anywhere that JH is gearing up to sell the club. A lot of his seeming "disinterest" stems from him trying to take his nose out of team business and handing over the reins to LL. JH simply signs the check. It takes a massive logical leap to come to the conclusion that because Henry has tried to lower his profile after last year's disaster he has no interest in the team.

 

Lots of unsupported conclusions and baseless conjecture floating around here.

 

 

Unsupported conclusions and baseless conjecture??? I am shocked, shocked I tell you.

[User Name]

Unsupported conclusions and baseless conjecture??? I am shocked' date=' shocked I tell you.[/quote']

 

I am not, considering the sources.

[Spudboy]

Well if FSG is to some extent "ignoring" the Sox, that might be the best evidence that if the Sox do intend or did intend selling the Sox in the short run, those plans may have been put on hold for bit. Organizations come under a great deal of scrutiny on the ramp up to a sales process. Managers generally are under a microscope with every decision and every result scrutinized.

 

My guess is that they are in this for a longer period intended or not. They do look organizationally thin though. Just to much that seems to land on to few desks and a number of these decisions especially as far as PR is concerned seem pretty lame for both teams. How the hell do Liverpool coaches and players get away with wearing T-shirts supporting a player so blatantly involved ins a race related incident? There does seem to be as much falling through the cracks for both Liverpool and Boston. Geez what is it? There are not enough competent people available in this economy?

 

Excellent f***ing post!

[Elktonnick]

So your supposition is based on what.....opinion?

 

Duh Yes! That's what IMHO means. It my analysis of all the data that I see. I don't expect he'll do it right away. It is a process played out over many months. It isn't like buying or selling a car.

[Spudboy]

The comedy of errors has little to do with Liverpool. JH doesn't run the team, LL does. He said so himself.

 

The problem is they wanted to make a change from last year, but they only put lipstick on a pig with the BV hire.

 

Maybe an over-simplification but most probably true.

 

Good point.

[Elktonnick]

Don't believe everything you read about Liverpool. We have won one trophy this year and are in the final of the fa cup.

 

Considering the club was 2 hours away from going out of business thanks to gillett and hicks before FSG stepped in, thing are going steady in terms of recovery. However there is still a lot to do. That is why they are spending time here.

 

I know but even John Henry can't be in two places at once.

[mvp 78]

Spud, I'm on vacation so I really didn't want to waste too much time on the subject. I'll write more the next time the issue comes up.

[Elktonnick]

Can't have it both ways. Can't claim that FSG at the top is ignoring the Sox and planning on selling the Sox in the near term. As I mentioned earlier it just does not work that way. If they were coming up on a sales process in the near term' date=' they would be all over that thing like white on rice.[/quote']

 

I never said near term although I don't know what near term means. Near term is a relative term. I think he is setting the team up for sale meaning making attractive for sale. That could be a two to three year process before an offer is made or accepted.

[Spudboy]

Well I think that the issue with V is that with only a 2 year contract in hand there is just so much that he can do. The problems that the Sox have are not all about conditioning and weight control and attention to detail and they are certainly not about the dramatic physical impact on players from chicken and beer. By the way I don't think Baseball Genius V or attention to detail V has made an appearance at Fenway yet this year.

 

V is all for show and it is a show that the Organization in the form of LL has wanted. It is a distraction designed to distract us from the real issue. Frankly this team does not have the horses at least for this year. It did not have the horses if Ells and Crawford and Bailey were playing full seasons.

 

It will beat up on the bulk of the lower level teams in the AL and will make some hay doing that. But it does all come down to whether you can win somewhere between 90 and 100 games as far as making the post season is concerned and 90 may not get it done because there are a number of good teams this year that will be beating up on the leagues dregs. Some of these records by year end are likely going to look appallingly bad. I think they will be incredibly fortunate this year to be the second of the two WC teams and if they are still bumping along like this by the 22-23-24 game of the year, they may well be best served making some drastic changes using PawSox personnel that change the profile of this team.

 

Take the team as it is right now just for the heck of it and remove any of Lester, Beckett or Buch due to injury. In my view this team will be lucky to get there if those three guys play the whole season. if any one of them goes down, Cook is no answer. They are screwed entirely at that point.

 

Christ. Why do you have to make so much sense?

 

But wait! There other teams waiting to fail as well!

 

The Sox do not stand alone in this 162 game marathon.

 

And 22-24 game does not foretell the future.

 

No disrespect intended Jung.

[Lionbush]

I know but even John Henry can't be in two places at once.

 

No, but they are rarely over here anyway. As I said earlier, once a decision is made on either renovating Anfield or moving an once the club is back in the champions league then I'm sure that they will back away a little.

 

I haven't heard anything from them to suggest anything but pride at owning the Red sox in anything they have mentioned over here. Personally I like FSG as LFC owners. Besides, there are far worse owners to be had. Lfc still bares the scars of 44 months of Tom Hicks ownership.

[ibot2much]

So your supposition is based on what.....opinion?

 

What the hell else do you find at a message board?? Nobody KNOWS anything. At most normal places the opinions are discussed and exchanged, usually without insults.:thumbdown

[User Name]

Delicious, delicious irony.

[ibot2much]

Delicious' date=' delicious irony.[/quote']

 

Anyway the topic was a "comedy of errors" referring to the mess the FO is making of the 100th anniversary , but the title fits for where it has gone.

 

Yummo.

[Spudboy]

Spud' date=' I'm on vacation so I really didn't want to waste too much time on the subject. I'll write more the next time the issue comes up.[/quote']

 

I'm not calling you out!

 

I suspect your OPINION is very accurate.

 

Please enjoy your time off!!!

[Spudboy]

What the hell else do you find at a message board?? Nobody KNOWS anything. At most normal places the opinions are discussed and exchanged' date=' usually without insults.:thumbdown[/quote']

 

Please note that I did not insult ANYONE.

 

I merely asked for elaboration.

 

And received more opinion. Not FACTS.

 

But carry on.

[Spudboy]

I agree that Henry may be setting this franchise up for sale. Emphasis on the word MAYBE.

 

The idea is to make money in business. But there is no evidence that a sale is imminent.

 

One more thing. Henry makes his real money elsewhere. The Sox are a toy for him to use to message his ego. Like that young twat he married.

 

You don't buy a sports franchise looking to make a killing.

[jung]

No problem Spud. I don't know whether to be happy as a baseball fan to see so many teams with a shot at it or unhappy as Red Sox fan cause there are less teams for them to beat up on and more teams that will be doing the beating up on the leagues weak sisters.

 

Gotta get up for the Yanks comein' to town when they are struggling though. No Mercy!

[ibot2much]

Please note that I did not insult ANYONE.

 

I merely asked for elaboration.

 

And received more opinion. Not FACTS.

 

 

What facts were you expecting right here or on any topic on this board. Nobody KNOWS anything.

[Elktonnick]

Anyway the topic was a "comedy of errors" referring to the mess the FO is making of the 100th anniversary , but the title fits for where it has gone.

 

Yummo.

 

Remember it was you in this thread who first raised the question of whther JH was losing interst in the RS, if I am not mistaken.

[ibot2much]

The Sox are a toy for him to use to message his ego. Like that young twat he married.

 

 

You got facts to back this up.

[Spudboy]

What facts were you expecting right here or on any topic on this board. Nobody KNOWS anything.

 

TRUE!!!

 

But when someone states their opinion ON THIS board, well, they better be able to substantiate it with FACTS.

 

It is Talksox law.

[jung]

Henry and the ownership group bought the Sox for $380M in 2002 and the franchise is currently valued at $918M. It would likely take more to buy it right now, even a heck of alot more. That is a pretty damn good return on that investment.