A comedy of errors

[Elktonnick]

As far as the Red Sox are special to Henry that flies in the face of his investment philosophy as articualted in the business week article or his whole sabermetric data driven approach. This guy eschews human emotion when making business decisions.

[jung]

Long term liabilities would be a major concern to any buyers. JH basically has said they weren't going to pursue long term FA deals in the future except in very special cases.

 

Where and when did he say this?

[jung]

Long term liabilities would be a major concern to any buyers. JH basically has said they weren't going to pursue long term FA deals in the future except in very special cases.

 

Where and when did he say this?

 

Might I add that JH would have to be dead and to stupid to fall over to say or even imply that his organization was no longer going to be interested in signing long term contracts except in "special cases" or qualified any other way as that would be competitive market information that other organizations would die for. Do you really think he would just hand it over on a silver platter?

 

Plus you are commenting about what JH "basically" said. Which means you are taking what he actually said and interpreting it.

[Elktonnick]

Might I add that JH would have to be dead and to stupid to fall over to say or even imply that his organization was no longer going to be interested in signing long term contracts except in "special cases" or qualified any other way as that would be competitive market information that other organizations would die for. Do you really think he would just hand it over on a silver platter?

 

Plus you are commenting about what JH "basically" said. Which means you are taking what he actually said and interpreting it.

 

I don't want to quibble but he andd arry have said it in various ways and various times since October most recently Larry said "Our goal is to field a team with more homegrown players, fewer free agents, and to have a more manageable payroll down the road."

 

Various reporters have all said the FA they pursue won't be on long term contracts, meaning don't look for deals beyond 5 years. But again you are missing the larger point. JH is a wheeler and dealer who eschews sentiment. Every thing they are doing and all the indicators tell me that he is setting this team up to be an attractive commodity to sell at a considerable gain to take advantage of another opportunity. That is annouced investment philosophy which everyone ignores

[jung]

I don't want to quibble but he andd arry have said it in various ways and various times since October most recently Larry said "Our goal is to field a team with more homegrown players, fewer free agents, and to have a more manageable payroll down the road."

 

That is a far cry from stating that they would no longer be interested in signing long term contracts except in special cases and I would be willing to bet that if you asked LL that specific question he would disassociate his comment about homegrown players and fewer FA's from anything that went as far as your interpretation wants to take it. So honestly, using that one does not pass the smell test.

 

And again as far as having an exit strategy is concerned, in contemporary acquisition strategy, every ownership group has an exit strategy that is born in the gestation period for the acquisition. The way you are framing your comments suggests that the idea of divestiture strikes them somewhere along the way. The idea of divestiture is there from the very beginning. So in that respect I would likely go even farther than I think you have gone and suggest that JH does not plan on Fenway Park being hauled behind his coffin in his funeral train and had an idea of what divestiture would like for him the day he bought the thing.

 

I do agree about investors not getting their ya-ya's from the actual ownership of the asset at he level where a JH plays. However do not mistake them for emotionless automatons. They get their ya-yas out of the play itself.

[Elktonnick]

That is a far cry from stating that they would no longer be interested in signing long term contracts except in special cases and I would be willing to bet that if you asked LL that specific question he would disassociate his comment about homegrown players and fewer FA's from anything that went as far as your interpretation wants to take it. So honestly, using that one does not pass the smell test.

 

And again as far as having an exit strategy is concerned, in contemporary acquisition strategy, every ownership group has an exit strategy that is born in the gestation period for the acquisition. The way you are framing your comments suggests that the idea of divestiture strikes them somewhere along the way. The idea of divestiture is there from the very beginning. So in that respect I would likely go even farther than I think you have gone and suggest that JH does not plan on Fenway Park being hauled behind his coffin in his funeral train and had an idea of what divestiture would like for him the day he bought the thing.

 

I do agree about investors not getting their ya-ya's from the actual ownership of the asset at he level where a JH plays. However do not mistake them for emotionless automatons. They get their ya-yas out of the play itself.

 

Let me be crystal clear and you can take it or leave it or agree or disagree. JH has changed his strategic thinking after the 2011 season. He won't commit to long term FA agents and he is setting the team up for sale. Everything he has done since September 30 2011 suggests to me that that is his goal. " Its business Sonny It ain't personal" Furthermore I am going to go way out on a limb and say, This will become more or less public knowledge before the end of 2012. If I am wrong so be it but this is my opinion and I am sticking to it.

[SeanP]

It was a gratutous insulting remark which added nothing to the discussion. Disagree if you must but you should try and do so in a way that doesn't deprecate others needlessly. It is unbecoming.

 

BTW I read far more than Massarotti.

 

You are so annoying with this apologetic crap, just shut up already. You got caught with your pants down in this argument, admit it and move on

[pedroias laser]

There is no evidence that JH is trying to sell the team

 

I never said he was trying to. But i can see where the balance of importance is going

with JH and the soccer club.

[pedroias laser]

Apologies accepted you are a gentlemen and a scholar. Some folks just call people liars without any call just to cause trouble.

 

I understand your frustration good sir. I do agree with your statement where people

do try to take something though and run with it even though you have stated the

complete opposite.

[Elktonnick]

I understand your frustration good sir. I do agree with your statement where people

do try to take something though and run with it even though you have stated the

complete opposite.

 

Thank you. Have you noticed that there are those who just post hit and run attacks on other posters but never offer original insights of their own. Curious behavior don't you think. I guess that is why they are called trolls.

[pedroias laser]

Thank you. Have you noticed that there are those who just post hit and run attacks on other posters but never offer original insights of their own. Curious behavior don't you think. I guess that is why they are called trolls.

 

Yes i can see where that is happening on the board. I don't believe that the FO is trying

to sell the team though but that is a matter of OPINION you have your's i have mine.

[jung]

Let me be crystal clear and you can take it or leave it or agree or disagree. JH has changed his strategic thinking after the 2011 season. He won't commit to long term FA agents and he is setting the team up for sale. Everything he has done since September 30 2011 suggests to me that that is his goal. " Its business Sonny It ain't personal" Furthermore I am going to go way out on a limb and say, This will become more or less public knowledge before the end of 2012. If I am wrong so be it but this is my opinion and I am sticking to it.

 

I understand that this is your opinion. However has it occurred to you that based on the abysmal performance of the FO with regard to FA signings of late, strapping the organization with hefty long term financial commitments that are already on the books, combined with the way MLB has framed the new luxury tax penalties and league rights fees reimbursements that it is just as likely that the Sox Organization has simply decided to take a sabbatical on hefty FA signings until it can get some of this garbage off the books? If they do not they will be penalized in their reimbursements and will be subjected to the new four year 50% luxury tax. That is money in the millions. That combination has even got the money making machine that is that is the Yankees making similar moves.

 

As stated before I do disagree with those that seem to be making the point that there is some special place in JH's heart for the Red Sox that prevents him from selling. He will sell this franchise at some point. So long term you have to be right. I just don't think you can spin their recent signings activities or lack of activities such that the two are connected.

[User Name]

Larry Lucchino has stated several times that the team's goal is to stay close under the lux tax, and that the team would keep signing the players it targets regularly, so long as they can remain under the tax.

 

The "JH doesn't want to spend" theory is bogus. You can find reports of the Red Sox scouting Cole Hamels floating around the internet right now.

[SeanP]

I never said he was trying to. But i can see where the balance of importance is going

with JH and the soccer club.

 

I was reinforcing your statement by adding that I also don't agree with that newbie fan that JH is selling the team because there is no evidence, I'm very sorry if I wasn't clear

[pedroias laser]

I was reinforcing your statement by adding that I also don't agree with that newbie fan that JH is selling the team because there is no evidence' date=' I'm very sorry if I wasn't clear[/quote']

 

 

Not a problem buddy i understand. I don't agree with him as well on the premise of

JH trying to sell the team. I could see if there were huge signs stating otherwise but

for right now i don't see it.

[a700hitter]

I was reinforcing your statement by adding that I also don't agree with that newbie fan that JH is selling the team because there is no evidence' date=' I'm very sorry if I wasn't clear[/quote']7 posts so far and you have posted nothing of substance, but you have called a TalkSox member a liar and made another vulgar post where you said that the member annoyed you. Stop trolling or get lost.

[Bellhorn04]

As stated before I do disagree with those that seem to be making the point that there is some special place in JH's heart for the Red Sox that prevents him from selling. He will sell this franchise at some point. So long term you have to be right. I just don't think you can spin their recent signings activities or lack of activities such that the two are connected.

 

I don't mean that there's a special place in JH's heart for the Red Sox. My thinking is that there is a significant buzz in being the owner of the Sox. Once you sell the team you no longer get to watch games from the owner's box as you yuk it up with Tom Werner. And JH doesn't have to worry very much about the value of this asset going down.

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