Papelbon/Bard et al

[Oldsoxfan]

This bullpen put together by Larry Lucchino and his hand picked manger stinks. Mean while Papelbon is in Philly singing How do you like me now and Bard languishes in the bullpen as trade bait. Epstein must be laughing all the way to his new office.:harhar:

[ORS]

Bard is in the bullpen and they are considering trading him?

[User Name]

This bullpen put together by Larry Lucchino and his hand picked manger stinks. Mean while Papelbon is in Philly singing How do you like me now and Bard languishes in the bullpen as trade bait. Epstein must be laughing all the way to his new office.:harhar:

 

Bard is in the rotation. What are you talking about?

[BecKett]

Not sure what this post means. Bard is in the rotation and I believe he'll succeed. With this bullpen, it doesn't look like it will matter though.

 

Jump in your hyperbaric chamber, Bailey!

[VA Sox Fan]

Means he's a misguided soul.

[SoxSport]

Logic says Bard now closes. Especially now that Bobby knows he doesn't have a closer. That was proven this weekend.

Ask yourself who would be closing if they hadn't traded for Bailey? That's pretty much the situation they are in right now.

[yeszir]

AND WHY HAS PEDROIA BEEN BENCHED ALL 6 GAMES THIS SEASON RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

[NZSox]

Logic says Bard now closes. Especially now that Bobby knows he doesn't have a closer. That was proven this weekend.

Ask yourself who would be closing if they hadn't traded for Bailey? That's pretty much the situation they are in right now.

 

Yep, agree with this. Bard. Has to be.

 

Who would you be more confident in promoting to the rotation? Aceves? Padilla?

[jacksonianmarch]

Aaron Cook is the only one still stretched out. He'd get the call

[SoxSport]

Yep, agree with this. Bard. Has to be.

 

Who would you be more confident in promoting to the rotation? Aceves? Padilla?

 

Tough call. Bobby is better off trying different guys for starters than having closers blow games. He needs a reliable closer who can preserve a win.

 

I suspect Aceves isn't happy with his situation--from his quotes. He got put on the spot back to back in Detroit--in a role he is is not used to.

[SoxSport]

This bullpen put together by Larry Lucchino and his hand picked manger stinks. Mean while Papelbon is in Philly singing How do you like me now and Bard languishes in the bullpen as trade bait. Epstein must be laughing all the way to his new office.:harhar:

 

Trouble is we're not sure who put together this team. We're told the manager wanted Bard to close, Iglesias playing SS and Lavarnway on the bench. That hasn't happened.

 

Re Epstein, executives have a way of s***ing the bed here, and landing on their feet there.

[ellsburyforMVP]

am i the only one that believes we would be 2-1 or at the very least 1-2 with bard as our closer?......i understand that management wants bard in the rotation, but once your closer is shelved until the all-star break, isnt then a closer more important than a 5th starter?

[mvp 78]

am i the only one that believes we would be 2-1 or at the very least 1-2 with bard as our closer?......i understand that management wants bard in the rotation' date=' but once your closer is shelved until the all-star break, isnt then a closer more important than a 5th starter?[/quote']

 

No

Not really

[jung]

isnt then a closer more important than a 5th starter?

 

Not to the FO and this is their decision, not V's. This is the best year they are going to have to vet the possibilities of Bard as a starter and it should be clear by now that the injury to Bailey did not change the FO view of that.

 

Given the state of Sox starting pitching I can see why they would be concerned that they possibly have a starting pitcher right in front of them.

 

On top of that I am staggered by how quickly we are willing to give that up to put Bard at the closer with no guarantees at all that he will succeed there. Sure it would easy to say he will do better than Aceves but I might do better than Aceves. Aceves at closer will turn out to be the experiment that gets the short leash I think, not Bard as a starter.

[SoxSport]

This bullpen put together by Larry Lucchino and his hand picked manger stinks. Mean while Papelbon is in Philly singing How do you like me now and Bard languishes in the bullpen as trade bait. Epstein must be laughing all the way to his new office.:harhar:

 

Are you sure this bullpen was put together by "LL and his hand picked manager"?

 

A lot of people have the impression it was put together by the front office.

[SoxSport]

Not to the FO and this is their decision, not V's. This is the best year they are going to have to vet the possibilities of Bard as a starter and it should be clear by now that the injury to Bailey did not change the FO view of that.

 

Given the state of Sox starting pitching I can see why they would be concerned that they possibly have a starting pitcher right in front of them.

 

On top of that I am staggered by how quickly we are willing to give that up to put Bard at the closer with no guarantees at all that he will succeed there. Sure it would easy to say he will do better than Aceves but I might do better than Aceves. Aceves at closer will turn out to be the experiment that gets the short leash I think, not Bard as a starter.

 

I'm not sure that picking the closer is a FO decision. Managers usually have a big say in who plays where. But you never know with the present Red Sox. V won't last the season if his hands are tied.

[ellsburyforMVP]

remember back in 2007 when the sox flirted with making papelbon a starter, then an injury to mike timlin, squashed that ( thank god ).....we have a potential 5th starter in cook, dice-k should be ready at some time this year ( whether he will be the 18-3 dice-k is prob a pipe dream, but who knows ) .....bottom line is some guys just are not cut out to be closers, and some that are just cant do it on a big stage like boston....i know the offense can carry this team most of the way, but a few more late inning blowups like this and some serious changes are going to be needed

[jung]

I'm not sure that picking the closer is a FO decision. Managers usually have a big say in who plays where. But you never know with the present Red Sox. V won't last the season if his hands are tied.

 

V wanted Bard in the pen and Lavarnway and Iggy with the big team. Which of those roster moves did V get? answer none! This is a FO decision. I almost fell off my chair when V tried to imply that HE decided that Iggy should go down. That was a joke and another example of V's ego compelling him to try to convince people that the Iggy move was his decision.

 

As for the difference between Paps and Bard....when has Bard proven he can close?

[kapsis21]

remember back in 2007 when the sox flirted with making papelbon a starter' date=' then an injury to mike timlin, squashed that ( thank god ).....we have a potential 5th starter in cook, dice-k should be ready at some time this year ( whether he will be the 18-3 dice-k is prob a pipe dream, but who knows ) .....bottom line is some guys just are not cut out to be closers, and some that are just cant do it on a big stage like boston....i know the offense can carry this team most of the way, but a few more late inning blowups like this and some serious changes are going to be needed[/quote']

 

but the issue from what i understand is Bard asked FO to move him to starter role. it seems he is not in a mentality to close out games .. again its a lot of speculation.. not sure what the truth is..

[ellsburyforMVP]

when has Bard proven he can close?

 

 

 

maybe he cant, but a career 9.7 k/9inn and 1.05 whip.....and his 2 month long stretch of being unhittable last season leads to a lot of hope

[jung]

Bard is starting because the FO thinks there is a good possibility that they have a starter in the making and want to vet that decision. Do you honestly think that a pitcher walks into any FO saying he wants to start and has the FO just roll over for him?

 

He is starting because that is what the FO wants.

[SoxSport]

V wanted Bard in the pen and Lavarnway and Iggy with the big team. Which of those roster moves did V get? answer none! This is a FO decision. I almost fell off my chair when V tried to imply that HE decided that Iggy should go down. That was a joke and another example of V's ego compelling him to try to convince people that the Iggy move was his decision.

 

As for the difference between Paps and Bard....when has Bard proven he can close?

 

I got that impression, too, about Iggy. I'm sure many others did.

 

Bard was the logical successor to Pap. He is groomed to close. But they needed him as starter--and he wanted to start. So they traded for a closer. OK. That's fine. But now the closer is down for half a season. So Bard has to step up. Is this a team, or what?

[jung]

Perhaps you folks should consider the fact that Bard was being groomed to close but is not closing more seriously.

 

So just because...just for the fun of it...the Sox move a cost controlled player out of the position he was being groomed for and bring in a FA. Maybe you should think about that one!

[SoxSport]

Aceves got the save tonite, so he's off the hook for now. But they've pitched him 3 games in a row.

They're carrying 13 pitchers and still haven't figured out how not to overuse the bullpen.

[ORS]

Two games in a row. He didn't pitch in 10-0 game on Saturday.

[seabeachfred]

Bard is in the bullpen and they are considering trading him?

 

ORS, if this guy is who I think he is, don't worry. He has senior moments all the time. He will get it straight sooner.....or later.

[seabeachfred]

I'm not sure that picking the closer is a FO decision. Managers usually have a big say in who plays where. But you never know with the present Red Sox. V won't last the season if his hands are tied.

 

I don't know who worked out this bullpen stuff but whoever did created one big cluster@@ck!!!!!!!! Now with Aceves saving the game today with a 1-2-3 inning this is what we'll probably be facing for at least another week until he either melts down again, solidifies his position with a few more saves, or someone g ets smart in the FO and puts him in the long reliever or the 8th inning set-up position. Bard tomorrow will also likely dictate which direction our fouled up front office will go.

[jung]

I don't think one start for Bard will change anything in that regard. If Bard does not do well tomorrow they will give him a few more starts beyond that before deciding anything in his regard.

 

People keep grudgingly giving ground and wavering on this point as if the FO is wavering right along with them and I just don't think that is the case at all. I would say that Bard will get at least 5 starts at a minimum and if he does even reasonably well will continue to start at least until dice comes back.

 

Same is to some extent true of Aceves in the closers role although if Aceves had spit the bit again tonight I think he was much closer to losing that job than Bard has been to being pulled from the rotation.

 

Aceves was not just bad...he was terrible and it was plainly obvious that until tonight he was not even pitching in that role, but instead was just throwing the damn ball and that is I think what the Sox would not have tolerated much longer. If he was so overwhelmed by the closers role that he could not even pitch but continued to just throw then I think they would have had him on a very short leash.

[SoxSport]

Two games in a row. He didn't pitch in 10-0 game on Saturday.

 

Whatever. still overused. 3 out of 4 games. with 13 pitchers?

[Station 13]

Whatever. still overused. 3 out of 4 games. with 13 pitchers?

 

He threw 6 pitches the 1st time, 7 on Sunday, and like 15 last night.