Yankees agree to sign Kuroda

[Meh]

Jack Curry @JackCurryYES 13s Reply Retweet Favorite · Open

Big night for the Yankees. They have agreed to a 1-year deal with Kuroda, pending a physical. Deal will be between $10 and $11 million.

[a700hitter]

f*** me!!

[User Name]

Sox better sign Oswalt.

[redsoxrules]

Sox better sign Oswalt.

 

X2

 

I was just about to say that

[Meh]

CC

Pineda

Kurado

Nova

Hughes/Garcia/Burnett

 

Not too shabby.

[redsoxrules]

CC

Pineda

Kurado

Nova

Hughes/Garcia/Burnett

Not too shabby.

 

one of these will likely be dealt , and I'm guessing its Burnett

[a700hitter]

one of these will likely be dealt ' date=' and I'm guessing its Burnett[/quote']The Yanks would have to eat almost his entire salary.

[Meh]

one of these will likely be dealt ' date=' and I'm guessing its Burnett[/quote']

 

Well Garcia can't be, but he or Hughes could be put in the bullpen. I hope it's AJ tho.

[a700hitter]

Jack Curry @JackCurryYES 13s Reply Retweet Favorite · Open

Big night for the Yankees. They have agreed to a 1-year deal with Kuroda, pending a physical. Deal will be between $10 and $11 million.

Money talks and ******** is just s***.

[redsoxrules]

The Yanks would have to eat almost his entire salary.

 

And?

 

I heard a while back the Yankee's would be willing to do so

[Meh]

And?

 

I heard a while back the Yankee's would be willing to do so

 

they were willing to trade 8 million of the 32 million he's owed.

[Station 13]

f*** the NL. f***ing loony league. Better Keep your damn trash in Fielder.

[Station 13]

they were willing to trade 8 million of the 32 million he's owed.

 

They have no chance to move him then

[Meh]

They have no chance to move him then

 

Well thats what Cashman started out with. I'm not saying Brian is screaming no more than $8 but we'll see.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

****s.

[jacksonianmarch]

Yankees are definitely going to move Burnett now. There is now way they can keep him on the payroll. My guess is that the Yankees deal Burnett and about $20 mil to a NL team for peanuts

[jacksonianmarch]

And overnight this rotation went from one with some question marks to a very, very solid and deep rotation. Kuroda is a lot better than he is given credit for.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Kuroda is a good #4-#5 pitcher. He's not someone I would ever want to count on in a top 3 of the rotation, or in a post season match up.

 

That said, if Hughes steps up, he could take the #3 spot.

 

To be honest, I was never all that impressed with Pineda. He's a big guy, got a big arm, but he gets torched in small parks.

 

Not trying to be biased, but I don't think the Yankees rotation got all that much better to be honest. Look at last year.

 

You had Colon who posted a 111 ERA+ that you are replacing with Pineda, who posted a 103 ERA+.

 

Long term, definitely a big step in the right direction. But it's kind of like when the Sox replaced Beltre and Vic with Gonzo and Crawford. In 2011, the production was projected to be similar. But going forward, you were getting much more production with Gonzo and Crawford than you were with Vic and Beltre.

 

The big step is obviously Kuroda (121 ERA+) over Burnett (86 ERA+). But - a lot of that will be offset if Kuroda returns to his career norm of around a 111 ERA+, and if Garcia returns to his career norm of around a 109 ERA+ (he had a 122 ERA+ in 2011).

 

Summary -

 

Pineda + Kuroda (2011 numbers) = 224 ERA+

 

Burnett + Colon (2011 numbers) = 197 ERA+

 

If Kuroda and/or Garcia return to career numbers, that would offset that quite a bit more (anywhere from 201-214 for Pineda + Kuroda).

 

Looking at the numbers a little closer, I'm not all that impressed. I don't think they made as big of an addition as it's being made out to be.

[italstallianion]

Did I not say that we should have signed Oswalt a few hours before this happened, especially when I read that his salary demands dropped to $8 million. I wonder if Oswalt's price is going back up now that Kuroda signed for $10 million.

[jacksonianmarch]

They added 1.5 WAR, and that's with Colon having a non-reproduce able season

[SoxFanForsyth]

They added 1.5 WAR' date=' and that's with Colon having a non-reproduce able season[/quote']

 

Colon 2011: 2.9 WAR

Pineda 2011: 3.4 WAR

 

And Pineda did it at Safeco. Colon did it in NY.

 

I'm telling you. 2012 is going to be, at best, a wash in terms of production. Sorry for it.

[iortiz]

pffff... I would have preferred Kuroda over Oswalt. C'mon Ben, wake up!

[jacksonianmarch]

No, you are wishing for that. Right now you're acting like a child, and I love it

[jacksonianmarch]

Colon 2011: 2.9 WAR

Pineda 2011: 3.4 WAR

 

And Pineda did it at Safeco. Colon did it in NY.

 

I'm telling you. 2012 is going to be, at best, a wash in terms of production. Sorry for it.

 

And Kuroda had a WAR 1 win higher than Burnett's

[italstallianion]

pffff... I would have preferred Kuroda over Oswalt. C'mon Ben' date=' wake up![/quote']

 

 

I'd rather have Oswalt, but I don't think we're going to get him either.

[SoxFanForsyth]

And Kuroda had a WAR 1 win higher than Burnett's

 

Park factors. Line ups.

 

And oh by the way. You're projecting Kuroda to replicate a career year. And for Garcia to replicate a career year.

[iortiz]

I'd rather have Oswalt' date=' but I don't think we're going to get him either.[/quote']

 

We already have SPs who are prone to injuries. He could be a risk in that regard. If he is healthy, fine, sign him, otherwise, seems like we are going to go like this. If true, IMO the damn Yankees have a better roster than us in order to face next season.

[italstallianion]

We already have SPs who are prone to injuries. He could be a risk in that regard. If he is healthy' date=' fine, sign him, otherwise, seems like we are going to go like this. If true, IMO the damn Yankees have a better roster than us in order to face next season.[/quote']

 

 

I'd rather go with upside over durability if I had to choose one. The Sox have dozens of AAAA level pitchers. I'd rather have a younger pitcher that should be cheaper and give you quality innings, especially with pitchers coming back. Especially for the playoffs. I like Oswalt's stuff and baseball pedigree better than Kuroda's.

[iortiz]

I'd rather go with upside over durability if I had to choose one. The Sox have dozens of AAAA level pitchers. I'd rather have a younger pitcher that should be cheaper and give you quality innings' date=' especially with pitchers coming back. Especially for the playoffs. I like Oswalt's stuff and baseball pedigree better than Kuroda's.[/quote']

 

I prefer durability with a decent performance (4.5 ERA). You need a solid and HEALTHY #4. Both can deliver a +-4.5 ERA. These days Kuroda is healthy. Oswalt? I have no idea. If both healthy, I agree, I prefer Oswalt.

[Meh]

I'd rather go with upside over durability if I had to choose one. The Sox have dozens of AAAA level pitchers. I'd rather hav

e a younger pitcher that should be cheaper and give you quality innings, especially with pitchers coming back. Especially for the playoffs. I like Oswalt's stuff and baseball pedigree better than Kuroda's.

oh you got dozens of aaaa pitchers? Well then one dozen.