2012 Who will be our manager?

[User Name]

2010 was abysmal in terms of injuries. Nobody wins when losing their leadoff hitter' date=' their #2 and #4 hitters plus one of their top starters (Beckett). Nobody comes back from that. In 2011, the biggest injury per se was Buchholz as the offense wasnt a problem. I think from a 2011 standpoint, yes the depth needs improving. For 2010, though, their depth got them almost 90 wins[/quote']

 

I agree with this.

 

I believe there were several shortcomings with the 2011 roster, and the most important one was SP depth, to go along with a mostly weak bench and a rag-tag relief corps.

[seabeachfred]

Things can change without blowing up the entire team.

 

Get a RF who can hit righthanded, a strict manager and pitching coach, sign a couple of good bullpen arms, move Aceves to the fifth spot, and sign a #4 starter to go along with some reclamation projects who can provide insurance for the rotation.

 

/minimalist offseason.

 

If they can find some good trade opportunities for some of the current guys for at least market value, then do so, but trading them "because i don't like them, waaaaaahhhh" doesn't cut it.

 

That's the ticket User Name. That is exactly what I've been calling for... A RH hitting right fielder, a good No. 4 starter and two bullpen arms better than some of the garbage Epstein saddled us with the past few years (read Jenks, Delcarmen, Schoenweis, Cabrera, and the list goes on and on). Of course that only works for me if we keep Papelbon and Bard somehow makes it back on your "dream team" for 2012. Do that and sign me on.

[User Name]

That's the ticket User Name. That is exactly what I've been calling for... A RH hitting right fielder' date=' a good No. 4 starter and two bullpen arms better than some of the garbage Epstein saddled us with the past few years (read Jenks, Delcarmen, Schoenweis, Cabrera, and the list goes on and on). Of course that only works for me if we keep Papelbon and Bard somehow makes it back on your "dream team" for 2012. Do that and sign me on.[/quote']

 

I seem to have forgotten about Bard in the other thread trying to make room for Albers. I put him in there. Now can you let it go? Pretty please? With sugar on top?

[SCM33]

Well, Mike Maddux wants nothing to do with us.

 

Pulled his name out of the running today, which might mean they were considering offering him the job.

[a700hitter]

Well, Mike Maddux wants nothing to do with us.

 

Pulled his name out of the running today, which might mean they were considering offering him the job.

He probably doesn't want to work for a team that is in such a state of disarray.

[jung]

He might be on the way to the cubs as he certainly did not pull his name out of the running there.

[User Name]

That sucks.

[Nirvana]

Im hoping for Makanin.

[seabeachfred]

I seem to have forgotten about Bard in the other thread trying to make room for Albers. I put him in there. Now can you let it go? Pretty please? With sugar on top?

 

No problem U.N. Consider it done.

[SCM33]

I want Sandy Alomar. I like former catchers as managers. They are the captain of the defense, the defensive signals are called through them, and they control the pitching/running games as well.

 

If you are afraid of what they have to offer to the offense....well, then hire a damn good hitting coach/instructor.

 

Catchers are instrumental in the pitch by pitch strategies of the game since they are involved in every single pitch of the game.

 

Sandy Alomar Jr, please consider Boston.

[SoxSport]

A lot of what I'm seeing strikes me as the status quo. Starting with the GM, which was a simple internal promotion. Now they say an ex-coach is a leading contender for manager, a guy who left with a bad rep as 3B coach. Hope not. They need a new face for manager, and some new coaches. The Epstein compensation has become a distraction from more serious business, and it's evident now they botched that up by allowing Epstein to be interviewed without some pre-conditions on compensation. Meanwhile, other teams are pulling off deals for pitchers, while the Red Sox seem to be treading water. Given their bad experience with Lackey, I doubt they'll be in the market for Wilson or Buerhle. And they do need a #4 starter who can replace any one of the top 3 in case of injury. That was their biggest hole last year. They may need to pull off a deal for Reddick or Kalish.

[Paradisecity]

That's the ticket User Name. That is exactly what I've been calling for... A RH hitting right fielder' date=' a good No. 4 starter and two bullpen arms better than some of the garbage Epstein saddled us with the past few years (read Jenks, Delcarmen, Schoenweis, Cabrera, and the list goes on and on). Of course that only works for me if we keep Papelbon and Bard somehow makes it back on your "dream team" for 2012. Do that and sign me on.[/quote']

 

Is Crawford not capable of playing RF? He has the speed to cover the ground, and he struggled in left with the monster. It might be easier to find a righty LF, and kill two birds with one stone.

[jung]

Boy Fenway is a tough RF, different than LF but very tough as well as requiring a better arm to boot. Plus Crawford has so many issues to resolve heaping a move to RF on top of everything else sounds like to much to me. I think we will all breath a sigh of relief if he just gets back to the batter he was and the LFer' he was.

[RonVermette]

I'm assuming that Cherington is spending as much time on player signings as he is with the next manager. We don't really have to have a new manager before the end of the year, but most player signings will occur in the next few weeks.

[seabeachfred]

SoxSpot brought up a good point...OTHER TEAMS ARE ALREADY WHEELING AND DEALING while we're in a stationary mode----in other words, call me impatient or not, we haven't done a damn thing except for picking up Scoot's option. I would have thought with the memory or our miserable collapse in September and our conspicuous absence in the post-season that the front office would have acted a little more urgency. That they have not. OK, someone called my out and said we have to really be careful and pick the right guy to manage the Red Sox. Of course, but the way we operated the past few years we could go to Christmas and still pick the wrong guy. In the meantime other teams are wheeling while our feet are nailed to the floor.

[User Name]

How do you know we're in stationary mode? I read today that the FO is looking into Carlos Beltran and will contact his agent soon, and that they have already contacted the agent for Mark Buehrle, who they apparently have a boner for.

 

They're doing their thing. Stop it.

[jung]

I for one would not be surprised to see player acquisition announcements made before a manager announcement is made. They seem to be taking their time and working a process for this managerial hire whereas their player dealings are likely more straightforward.

[User Name]

I for one would not be surprised to see player acquisition announcements made before a manager announcement is made. They seem to be taking their time and working a process for this managerial hire whereas their player dealings are likely more straightforward.

 

As they should.

[seabeachfred]

How do you know we're in stationary mode? I read today that the FO is looking into Carlos Beltran and will contact his agent soon, and that they have already contacted the agent for Mark Buehrle, who they apparently have a boner for.

 

They're doing their thing. Stop it.

 

I'll stop it when I see some signatures on paper. Sure, "the FO is looking into Carlos Beltran and will contact his agent soon." What the hell does that really mean User? Looking into something? Contact his agent soon? Come on, while we're doing this other teams are doing it too since Beltran is one of the most coveted FA on the radar. Ok, I'll give you that they have already contacted the agent for Buehrle who they have a boner for.

But you can have the biggest boner around and come up empty if the other side isn't up for it. Besides, from all reports the lefty wants to return to Chicago and with Scott Boras representing Beltran are you really serious that we have much of a chance with him, especially since the word is out that we aren't going to be big spenders this winter. Or have you heard something to the contrary?

[User Name]

So what do you want them to do? Enlighten me.

 

As far as i'm concerned, negotiations are a process. Just because you're pissed that they're not throwing money around like this is 1995 and they're Enron doesn't mean they're not doing their job.

 

Be reasonable. These things take time, and no actual FA signings have happened. Madson is a re-sign, and that hasn't even gone through.

[jung]

I only caught a piece of the news piece that reported the Sox contacting Buehrle's agent. I thought the report might have mentioned the other teams that have expressed interest so far but I just did not catch it.

 

Did anybody notice if other teams that have expressed interest in Buehrle were mentioned in that same report?

[User Name]

Yankees, Rangers, Marlins.

[jung]

Darn.....I don't know how interested the Sox really are in Buehrle but for once i would love to see how things go when the Yanks and Sox are not bidding against each other for the same guy. Every once and awhile the money gets crazy right away and one or the other drops out early (usually us) but these two teams usually end up bidding against each other to the bitter end.

 

Every once and awhile one or the other is bluffing.

[User Name]

But the reality of it is, he's probably staying a White Sock.

[Elktonnick]

From Mazz's recent column and Cherington's presser after Alomar, I don't get the sense that the FO is in any big hurry to sign a major FA quickly if at all. Also based on the above, I think Cherington and Lucchino appear to favor Sveun but as part of a package. Cleearly many Boston sportwriters have been talking up Sveun. It wouldn't surprise me if we get a managerial annoucement followed very quickly by a new benchcoach.

[jung]

Yea I agree about Chicago. Probably makes the money prohibitive to begin with since money is probably one of the few tools a team has to try to pry a guy away from a place that he already prefers.

 

Wonder if that first call to the agent in a case like this tends to be "Hey are we just wasting our time here? Will the player even entertain an offer?" Sorta makes ya' wonder though. Trying to pry a guy away sounds like a sure way to overpay and it is already a pretty thin FA season for SP. Buehrle probably will be overpaid as it is, Wilson too for that matter.

[jopete19]

Think JoPa would be interested? To soon?

[Youk Of The Nation]

I'm not reading through 12 pages. Has anyone mentioned the possibility of Varitek retiring and managing the team?

[SoxSport]

Beltran yes means Papi no. But it's really about the pitching.

[SoxSport]

I'm not reading through 12 pages. Has anyone mentioned the possibility of Varitek retiring and managing the team?

 

manager no. but maybe bullpen coach.