2011-2012 Offseason Thread

[Elktonnick]

WTH is Yawkeyism?

 

Aren't you old enough to remember Tom Yawkey. He had his favorites and kept them well past their prime because he ran the Red Sox like his South Carolina plantation. It was because of him that the Red Sox were the last team to sign an African- American player, Pumspie Green. That's where the 25 players 25 cabs label originated. I believe he passed on signing such players as Willie Mays and Hank Aaron.

 

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[mvp 78]

I'm not sure how it relates to conjecture over Wake and Tek.

[a700hitter]

Fred's posts are very colorful. While some of you get ticked off by some of his nicknames and expressions, I get a chuckle out of that stuff. I don't always agree with his substantive arguments, but I enjoy the colorful comments and nicknames.

[Elktonnick]

I'm not sure how it relates to conjecture over Wake and Tek.

 

 

Yawkey carried his favorite players on the active roster while better players lanquished in the minors. Yawkey's record on this was pretty clear.

[Elktonnick]

Fred's posts are very colorful. While some of you get ticked off by some of his nicknames and expressions' date=' I get a chuckle out of that stuff. I don't always agree with his substantive arguments, but I enjoy the colorful comments and nicknames.[/quote']

 

Luccino is Il Duce, Cherrington is Ciano and John Henry is Victor Emanuel 2 to keep the analogy.

[VA Sox Fan]

Fred's posts are very colorful. While some of you get ticked off by some of his nicknames and expressions' date=' I get a chuckle out of that stuff. I don't always agree with his substantive arguments, but I enjoy the colorful comments and nicknames.[/quote']

 

That's because you are fond of unfunny nicknames (Ben the Boob etc). I am happy for you that you enjoy the "colorful comments and nicknames" though. :thumbsup: Some of us do not.

[a700hitter]

That's because you are fond of unfunny nicknames (Ben the Boob etc). I am happy for you that you enjoy the "colorful comments and nicknames" though. :thumbsup: Some of us do not.

So you don't have to laugh. It's not cause to get mad.

[a700hitter]

Oswalt and Kuroda still out of Boston's price range

Posted by Nick Cafardo, Globe Staff January 3, 2012 03:03 PM

 

Veteran free-agent righthander Roy Oswalt would be an excellent veteran presence in Boston's starting rotation, and even though the Red Sox are aware that Oswalt would be open to a one-year deal, he still appears to be out of Boston's price range.

 

The Sox may have competition from the Yankees on Oswalt, who is also being eyes by the St. Louis Cardinals, where Oswalt would love to pitch.

 

Hiroki Kuroda's price tag remains high. While more open to pitching in the East then he once was, Kuroda, the former Dodger, would still prefer the LA market or West. The Red Sox have maintained interest in him, but have yet to see a big price drop.

The money $4-5 million that they could have saved if they hadn't offered Oritz arb would have come in very handy in trying to sign Oswalt.

[VA Sox Fan]

So you don't have to laugh. It's not cause to get mad.

 

Who is mad?

[mvp 78]

I prefer actual analysis over platitudes.

[a700hitter]

I prefer actual analysis over platitudes.

Who is using platitudes instead of analysis?

[Spudboy]

With a name like Spudboy I had you figured for some hot-shot 20-something stud' date=' but unless you are over 60 you aren't one of the "Old Gang" on here. My pal Elktonnick still refuses to tell me how old he is, but since I admit that I'm 71 I might be the oldest old war horse on the board. I also wonder how long you've been rooting for the Red Sox? I've met some guys here and elsewhere who have followed them for over 50 years.[/quote']

 

Well Fred, for three years I was the second oldest member of this board. I will be 56 in February and have been following the Sox since 1966. And yes, I will marry a 22 year old smoke show within the next two months.

[Elktonnick]

I prefer actual analysis over platitudes.

 

Sounds like a platitude?

[iortiz]

Well Fred' date=' for three years I was the second oldest member of this board. I will be 56 in February and have been following the Sox since 1966. And yes, [b']I will marry a 22 year old smoke show within the next two months[/b].

 

This is what I'm talking about, My man here! :thumbsup:

 

Congrats Spud!

[iortiz]

The money $4-5 million that they could have saved if they hadn't offered Oritz arb would have come in very handy in trying to sign Oswalt.

 

I wonder what is that "price rate"?

 

BTW, How much is left before the threshold LT cap?

[Elktonnick]

Well Fred' date=' for three years I was the second oldest member of this board. I will be 56 in February and have been following the Sox since 1966. And yes, I will marry a 22 year old smoke show within the next two months.[/quote']

 

Congrats! BTW I've shoes older than that!

[Spudboy]

Congrats! BTW I've shoes older than that!

 

Now that I think about it, so do I !

[FredLynn]

The money $4-5 million that they could have saved if they hadn't offered Oritz arb would have come in very handy in trying to sign Oswalt.

 

Therein lies the root of the problem. Ortiz screwed up the club's strategy when he unexpectedly accepted arbitration. Our offense needed no help, even without Ortiz. But our pitching sure did, and sure does now, and will all season long. Hell, the best we can do now is..........Carlos Silva???

Give me a break.

[Palodios]

Therein lies the root of the problem. Ortiz screwed up the club's strategy when he unexpectedly accepted arbitration. Our offense needed no help, even without Ortiz. But our pitching sure did, and sure does now, and will all season long. Hell, the best we can do now is..........Carlos Silva???

Give me a break.

 

The roster isn't done yet. Stop acting like it is.

[mvp 78]

The roster isn't done yet. Stop acting like it is.

 

Some have acted like the offseason has been over since Thanksgiving.

[a700hitter]

The roster isn't done yet. Stop acting like it is.

You are right. The roster is not finished. However, the news in the Boston papers is that swalt and Kuroda are out of the Sox price range, and Edwin Jackson is looking for a long term contract. Who does that leave? People think the Bret Myers can't do the job in the AL East, so what are the possibilities? Saunders isn't the answer.

[FredLynn]

The roster isn't done yet. Stop acting like it is.

 

My comments obviously refer to the current roster, since I cannot predict the future. If we got a Garza or even a Jackson that would change things. I have no reason to believe that we are going to obtain quality SP, based on what I have read about even guys like Oswalt or Kuroda being too expensive.

[FredLynn]

You are right. The roster is not finished. However' date=' the news in the Boston papers is that swalt and Kuroda are out of the Sox price range, and Edwin Jackson is looking for a long term contract. Who does that leave? People think the Bret Myers can't do the job in the AL East, so what are the possibilities? Saunders isn't the answer.[/quote']

 

Got something against Saunders-other than the fact that he would be a human pinata on the mound in the ALE?

I think he is the hypothetical equivalent of Tim Wakefield. I don't want either bum on the team.

[a700hitter]

Got something against Saunders-other than the fact that he would be a human pinata on the mound in the ALE?

I think he is the hypothetical equivalent of Tim Wakefield. I don't want either bum on the team.

I am sure that he is a very nice guy for a pinata.

[FredLynn]

I am sure that he is a very nice guy for a pinata.

 

What's Bill Lee doing these days? He is a very nice guy too. So is John Smoltz. They are also to be found wherever we found Carlos Silva.

[Palodios]

You are right. The roster is not finished. However' date=' the news in the Boston papers is that swalt and Kuroda are out of the Sox price range, and Edwin Jackson is looking for a long term contract. Who does that leave? People think the Bret Myers can't do the job in the AL East, so what are the possibilities? Saunders isn't the answer.[/quote']

 

Saunders had a 3.69 ERA last season. I'd love to see him here for 1/7 million as a #5 starter, and he might just accept that kind of deal.

[a700hitter]

Saunders had a 3.69 ERA last season. I'd love to see him here for 1/7 million as a #5 starter' date=' and he might just accept that kind of deal.[/quote']I have to disagree with that. I would hate to see Saunders in anything other than in a swingman depth role. He'd get slaughtered in the ALE.

[FredLynn]

Saunders had a 3.69 ERA last season. I'd love to see him here for 1/7 million as a #5 starter' date=' and he might just accept that kind of deal.[/quote']

 

Saunders had one good year last year, you are right. Most of his time in baseball has been spent in the hitting poor ALW and is lifetime ERA is 4.16 with a WHIP of 1.374. If he had to pitch against the Yankees (or Rays) his ERA would be much worse. He is in the same category as Andrew Miller, Carlos Silva, and Tim Wakefield: cannon fodder.

[a700hitter]

Saunders had one good year last year' date=' you are right. Most of his time in baseball has been spent in the hitting poor ALW and is lifetime ERA is 4.16 with a WHIP of 1.374. If he had to pitch against the Yankees (or Rays) his ERA would be much worse. He is in the same category as Andrew Miller, Carlos Silva, and Tim Wakefield: cannon fodder.[/quote']Most seasons his WHIP is over 1.40. That is ugly. He'd never get past the 4th inning against the Yankees.

[VA Sox Fan]

Some have acted like the offseason has been over since Thanksgiving.

 

What else is new? Especially after the tragic 2011 season.

 

Really looking forward to moving on, Spring Training and other possible moves between now and prior the trade deadline in July. But all we get from some posters are let's crap on Tito, Theo, Cherington et al. We don't have a chance for 2,3,4 years.

 

I'm dreading the Game Threads, especially if Papi slumps. It's all on him.