2011-2012 Offseason Thread

[a700hitter]

The Marlins' reported ten-year bid includes an average annual value that tests or exceeds $20MM, writes Strauss, but it does not include full no-trade protection. The Marlins will meet with Lozano again today. One club executive who spoke to Strauss pegged the team's chances of signing Pujols at 50-50.

That is some serious dough.

[Elktonnick]

Who'se minding the store anyway? What's next' date=' closer by committee? This is ridiculous and it starts with the Red Sox determination to resign an Ortiz we can survive without and then walking around with our pants pockets hanging out and signing the likes of bums like Andrew Miller, Brad Penny and their ilk. Bard needs to stay in the bullpen; he's been trained for hit and most likely doesn't have the stamina yet to become a starter. The only way I would say yes to such a stupid proposal as this is if it would guarantee that we finally rid ourselves of Tim Wakefield. Otherwise this makes no sense at all. OK, we have Bard and Aceves in the rotation but can we really believe we can put together a solid bullpen of retreads when we haven't either the money to do so or the reputation of having done so successfully in the past.[/quote']

 

The only way any of this makes any sense is financial. Epstein left the club in a big hole financially with his free agent deals that didn't pan out. Hence the club is reluctant to go that route. It is cheaper and easier to restock pitching through mid level relievers then any other way. I don't know if that what they'll do but if that what they are thinking it is a possible explanation. Plus it lends credence to my theory that John Henry doesn't plan to own this team long term.

[a700hitter]

If Bard moves to the rotation, KRod is a possibility for closer. His still just 29 years old. He turns 30 in January. The problem is that he probably will not be much cheaper than Papelbon.

[a700hitter]

What do you think it would take to get Gio Gonzalez and Bailey from the A's?

[Meh]

What do you think it would take to get Gio Gonzalez and Bailey from the A's?

 

It will cause you to have a seizure.

[jacksonianmarch]

For Gio they are asking for a king's ransom. For Bailey they are asking for the same. Put the two together and I dont know if the sox have that kind of haul unless you move Ellsbury, and to be honest with you, if you move Ellsbury, it better be for a true blue ace.

[jacksonianmarch]

If Bard moves to the rotation' date=' KRod is a possibility for closer. His still just 29 years old. He turns 30 in January. The problem is that he probably will not be much cheaper than Papelbon.[/quote']

 

No, he wont be. And his problem is as much attitude as it is stuff. His stuff has dropped off over the last few yrs and he's gonna get a 3 yr deal.

[redsoxfan3]

What do you think it would take to get Gio Gonzalez and Bailey from the A's?

 

That would cost us an arm and a leg. I would prefer just to go after Bailey. They are asking for a good starting pitching prospect, an offensive first baseman or outfielder, and another decent starting pitching prospect. At least that was reported when the Jays were trying to trade for him. If that is the case, it would cost us probably two of three out of Weiliand/Wilson/Haeger. As well as, either Reddick or Kalish (I would prefer to keep Kalish). We could probably try to throw in Lars Anderson since they want a 1B, I'm hoping they won't ask for Miles Head. I also would prefer to keep Ranaudo and Barnes. I might be willing to give up Britton. We might be able to package Weiland, Wilson, Reddick, and Anderson for Bailey. I just don't want to give up guys like Head, Ranaudo, and Barnes. In any trade, I would say Middlebrooks, Lavarnway, Kalish, Ranaudo, Boegarts, Barnes, Brentz, and Swihart should be untouchable, at least in my opinion. If someone wants to talk Iglesias, Lowrie, Reddick, Anderson, Cecchini, Jacobs, or even Weiland, Wilson, or Haeger, I would be all for trade discussions.

 

The asking price for Bailey is still really high, but for the right deal I would be all for it. Just don't take the previous guys I mentioned that I think should be untouchable, unless you are getting an actual ace.

[jacksonianmarch]

You're out of your mind if you think the above package would get those two.

 

For Gio, they want offense plus a top notch pitching prospect to replace him. You're talking Lavarnway and Ranaudo for him. Then for Bailey, they are going to want to get offense as well as a hard throwing prospect. Beane always tries to replace the commodity he is losing plus get prospects capable of filling other org needs.

 

Without using anything on the roster, a deal for those two all star caliber players would likely require six prospects (3 for each). Lavarnway, Ranaudo, and Head for Gio. Weiland, Kalish, and Head/Jacobs/Bogaerts for Bailey. Needless to say, it aint happening

[a700hitter]

You're out of your mind if you think the above package would get those two.

 

For Gio, they want offense plus a top notch pitching prospect to replace him. You're talking Lavarnway and Ranaudo for him. Then for Bailey, they are going to want to get offense as well as a hard throwing prospect. Beane always tries to replace the commodity he is losing plus get prospects capable of filling other org needs.

 

Without using anything on the roster, a deal for those two all star caliber players would likely require six prospects (3 for each). Lavarnway, Ranaudo, and Head for Gio. Weiland, Kalish, and Head/Jacobs/Bogaerts for Bailey. Needless to say, it aint happening

I don't think Bailey's price will be that high. He is arbitration eligible and he is a TJ ticking time bomb. Getting him would be very risky.

[Meh]

@jonmorosi

Jon Morosi #RedSox have re-signed Andrew Miller.

 

5th Starter?

[Elktonnick]

@jonmorosi

Jon Morosi #RedSox have re-signed Andrew Miller.

 

5th Starter?

 

YGTBSM!

[alphilip77]

You're out of your mind if you think the above package would get those two.

 

For Gio, they want offense plus a top notch pitching prospect to replace him. You're talking Lavarnway and Ranaudo for him. Then for Bailey, they are going to want to get offense as well as a hard throwing prospect. Beane always tries to replace the commodity he is losing plus get prospects capable of filling other org needs.

 

Without using anything on the roster, a deal for those two all star caliber players would likely require six prospects (3 for each). Lavarnway, Ranaudo, and Head for Gio. Weiland, Kalish, and Head/Jacobs/Bogaerts for Bailey. Needless to say, it aint happening

 

That trade scenario actually doesn't sound that bad. The only guy I would be hesitant to part with would be Ranaudo and to a lesser extent, Lavarnway. Everyone else is a long ways off in terms of playing in the bigs or is of little use to us now (i.e. Kalish since we currently have Reddick). If there were a way to substitute Ranudo and Lavarnway with other prospects, I'd do that combo-deal in a heartbeat.

[alphilip77]

@jonmorosi

Jon Morosi #RedSox have re-signed Andrew Miller.

 

5th Starter?

 

Stop! Miller Time!!

[Bellhorn04]

Doesn't being at the winter meetings as a reporter sound like a great job? Geez, these reporters with their innane tweets. Why do they even bother 80% of the time. A quiet day should be just that, QUIET!

 

A700, someday when I'm old and wealthy, we should meet up down there and do a talksox update thread. Interview random agents, occasional press conferences with GMs, lots of sitting around, arguing across the table from one another over drinks. Sounds fun, actually.

 

I don't think you even have to interview anyone, if you're good at making stuff up. C. J. Wilson says that a lot of the things that have been reported about what's going on with his free agency are 'complete lies'.

[boy racer]

The Marlins' reported ten-year bid includes an average annual value that tests or exceeds $20MM, writes Strauss, but it does not include full no-trade protection. The Marlins will meet with Lozano again today. One club executive who spoke to Strauss pegged the team's chances of signing Pujols at 50-50.

 

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[redsoxfan3]

You're out of your mind if you think the above package would get those two.

 

For Gio, they want offense plus a top notch pitching prospect to replace him. You're talking Lavarnway and Ranaudo for him. Then for Bailey, they are going to want to get offense as well as a hard throwing prospect. Beane always tries to replace the commodity he is losing plus get prospects capable of filling other org needs.

 

Without using anything on the roster, a deal for those two all star caliber players would likely require six prospects (3 for each). Lavarnway, Ranaudo, and Head for Gio. Weiland, Kalish, and Head/Jacobs/Bogaerts for Bailey. Needless to say, it aint happening

 

If you would have read my entire post, you would have known I said that I would prefer to just go after Bailey. I was talking about what it would take to get Bailey, not both.

[jacksonianmarch]

I see

[win red sox]

Looking at next years salary's it doesn't appear there is going to be much salary relief as it appears like the FO is looking to sign Ortiz to a 2 year contract(which is a nightmare), and the only contracts coming off the books are Scutaro,Jenks, and Dice K(around 22 million). I pray Ortiz declines arb and signs with any team outside of the AL east. I really would like to see Beckett moved for prospects and then flipped for Gio,Jair, or Garza. Ellsbury's extension is looming and I'm assuming Crawford contract would just be a starting point if he duplicates last years numbers. So many holes to fill and with the FO being adamant about staying below the cap, it only makes sense to let Ortiz walk and move Beckett.

[WhiskeyBreath]

What the hell is this crap that I've heard the Sox have the high bid on that Japanese SS?

 

Oh, and I heard Hanley Ramirez does NOT want to play 3B.

[redsoxrules]

Hanley Ramirez isn't on board with the idea of moving to third base and would rather be traded than switch positions, a "credible source" told Enrique Rojas at ESPNDeportesLosAngeles.com (link in Spanish).

 

"Hanley doesn't want to play third base and the Marlins were informed of that," the source told Rojas. "Rather than ask for a trade, what he has done is to inform (the team) that he does not want to play another position other than shortstop." Joe Capozzi of the Palm Beach Post has also verified with a Marlins official that Ramirez did not ask to be traded (Twitter link).

 

Ramirez's agent Andy Mota told Rojas he had no comment about the situation, but the player himself posted a resigned-sounding Tweet this morning, saying, "What I am gonna do is work hard and get ready for next season because that is the only thing I can control I love y'all!!!!"

 

Rojas also spoke with Marlins manager Ozzie Guillen yesterday in Dallas, and the skipper said he had spoken with Ramirez before Reyes was signed and plans to revisit the discussion soon. "He has to understand what is best for the club, and he'll be a better player with those two guys [Reyes and Emilio Bonifacio] in front of him in the lineup," Guillen said. "The last thing we would do is smack the kid and tell him, 'You've got to move.' That's not the way... I think the boy will have the opportunity to be an All-Star third baseman. We have the opportunity to have two all stars in those positions."

 

Both owner Jeffrey Loria and president of baseball operations Larry Beinfest suggested recently that Ramirez would ultimately defer to Reyes, and that a trade wasn't on the table. A week ago, before Reyes had signed, Ramirez expressed deference toward the possibility in an appearance on Dominican TV, saying "the front office has the last word." Ramirez played just three games worth of third base while in the Red Sox system, most recently in 2005. His -4.8 UZR in 2011 was firmly in the bottom half of NL shortstops, directly behind Reyes and in front of Bonifacio, who took over the six-hole when Ramirez underwent shoulder surgery in August.

[DeadHorseSociety]

What the hell is this crap that I've heard the Sox have the high bid on that Japanese SS?

 

Oh, and I heard Hanley Ramirez does NOT want to play 3B.

 

Gordon Edes of ESPNBoston.com says the report that the Red Sox posted the winning bid for Japanese shortstop Hiroyuki Nakajima is "dubious."

Edes says the Sox "did not rate Nakajima highly and questioned his hitting." It did seem odd that they would be after the Japanese shortstop when they have Marco Scutaro and Jed Lowrie to handle the position next season and Jose Iglesias on the way. We'll find out Wednesday who indeed posted the winning bid for Nakajima. Dec. 6 - 5:40 pm et

[Meh]

We might be able to package Weiland, Wilson, Reddick, and Anderson for Bailey

 

 

You were going to give up Lars Anderson and Raul Alcantara for Rich Harden... Bailey is worth a LOT more than Rich Harden, IMHO. Beane is going to want a lot more than your deal. Heck I think Alcantara might have more value than both Weiland and Wilson. Alcantara could be a front line pitcher, where as the W&W boys are backenders at best.

 

Replace Reddick with Kalish, get rid of Anderson and take Weiland out and put in a better SP, then you got Bailey.

[DeadHorseSociety]

Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe reports that the Red Sox discussed a potential trade for Carlos Quentin with the White Sox Tuesday.

Cafardo says there is "no match right now" between the two clubs, but the Sox were interested in dealing for Quentin at the trade deadline in July and he would fit in their quest to land a right-handed hitting outfielder. The 29-year-old batted .254/.340/.499 with 24 homers and 77 RBI in 2011 and is entering his final year of arbitration.

[jacksonianmarch]

Quentin would do some serious damage in the big bean. He would be a FA after 2012, but a big year in Boston could really up his value. His biggest issue has been health, though. Something to think about

[Palodios]

You were going to give up Lars Anderson and Raul Alcantara for Rich Harden... Bailey is worth a LOT more than Rich Harden, IMHO. Beane is going to want a lot more than your deal. Heck I think Alcantara might have more value than both Weiland and Wilson. Alcantara could be a front line pitcher, where as the W&W boys are backenders at best.

 

Replace Reddick with Kalish, get rid of Anderson and take Weiland out and put in a better SP, then you got Bailey.

 

Bailey is a mid-tier closer. He is not worth 4-5 major league ready players

[jacksonianmarch]

Beane would want top tier closer compensation. Remember, the guy is still under control for 3 more seasons and he's only 27 yrs old. He doesnt have to deal him. He would need to be blown away to move him

[Palodios]

Beane would want top tier closer compensation. Remember' date=' the guy is still under control for 3 more seasons and he's only 27 yrs old. He doesnt have to deal him. He would need to be blown away to move him[/quote']

 

Who cares what Beane wants. He could ask for Pedroia and Lester, that doesn't mean Bailey is worth it.

[jacksonianmarch]

I hear you. But this is Beane and he knows he has the upper hand. If nobody offers him a good deal, he just lives with having a good closer and sees what he can get at the deadline

[Meh]

Bailey is a mid-tier closer. He is not worth 4-5 major league ready players

 

I said a package of Kalish, Wilson and a SP, thats only three.