2011 Trade Deadline Thread

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

He's from Kentucky but lets not kill the thread.

 

On topic: With the production we're getting out of Reddick do you guys still think we need Beltran or d we make a move for a pitcher. If so, who do we try to get?

[Dojji]

REally depends on whether you can count on Reddick to hit against the best pitchers in the league. If you can't, we should look for a pro who can.

[BossSox]

O okay good man ,We have a guy on here named suns from Cleveland and lets just say he says some stupid s***

Watch out for Suns on here (just a heads up):thumbsup:

Don't worry, I'm no dumbass.

[Jasonbay44]

He's from Kentucky but lets not kill the thread.

 

On topic: With the production we're getting out of Reddick do you guys still think we need Beltran or d we make a move for a pitcher. If so, who do we try to get?

 

Im fine with keeping Reddick, but if we are going to do that, I think we should go after a right handed hitting outfielder who can hit lefties well to possibly platoon with him. Someone like Ryan Ludwick or Jeff Francouer.

[iortiz]

He's from Kentucky but lets not kill the thread.

 

On topic: With the production we're getting out of Reddick do you guys still think we need Beltran or d we make a move for a pitcher. If so, who do we try to get?

 

Your wish is my command...

 

Plain and simple: Bring a damn SP and once and for all give the damn job to the kid. He's not a fluke anymore!

 

In the worst scenario, I don't see the kid batting below .250 as everyday player, now way!

 

Our rotation is shouting for HELP.!

 

We are the BEST offense in all baseball, no more help needed here!. On the other hand, we are the 26th in QUALITY STARTS and the 16th in ERA.

 

Is it really so hard to see? The negative/bad impact would be by far much more if we don't bring a solid SP than don't bring a RF for the rest of the season and Playoffs.

 

BTW... We can gain a lot if the kid shows consistency and if he consolidates with solid numbers ... if that happens, we can focus in cover and sign what we really will need in the offseason.

[Palodios]

I'm convinced that Jeff Francouer is the answer. He costs 2.5 million this year, 4 million option next year. Perfect timeline to get Kalish ready for the spot. Kills lefties with a near 1.000 OPS, and is bad enough against righties that he won't be too expensive. His defense should be fine for Fenway, which is more than you can say about a lot of these other trade candidates.

[boston22407]

I'm convinced that Jeff Francouer is the answer. He costs 2.5 million this year' date=' 4 million option next year. Perfect timeline to get Kalish ready for the spot. Kills lefties with a near 1.000 OPS, and is bad enough against righties that he won't be too expensive. His defense should be fine for Fenway, which is more than you can say about a lot of these other trade candidates.[/quote']

 

Dude has a nice arm,10 outfield assist this year,91 in his career

 

http://stats.nesn.com/mlb/playerstats.asp?id=7594&fn=Jeff&ln=Francoeur&page=fielding

[iortiz]

Jeff Francouer doesn't convince me at all.. If it is not Beltran, I would take my chances and go with Reddick!. But again, I would prioritize a SP over the OF.

 

Bring the SP and then bring whoever u want.

[Will617]

I'm convinced that Jeff Francouer is the answer. He costs 2.5 million this year' date=' 4 million option next year. Perfect timeline to get Kalish ready for the spot. Kills lefties with a near 1.000 OPS, and is bad enough against righties that he won't be too expensive. His defense should be fine for Fenway, which is more than you can say about a lot of these other trade candidates.[/quote']

 

He also can't take a walk for his life. He's a useful player, but I don't know if he's the type of hitter that the Sox want. It's also not difficult to find right-handed platoon players, there are plenty that are available cheaply.

[Palodios]

He also can't take a walk for his life. He's a useful player' date=' but I don't know if he's the type of hitter that the Sox want. It's also not difficult to find right-handed platoon players, there are plenty that are available cheaply.[/quote']

 

He's going to hit 7th or 8th, so his OBP isn't as important as his SLG. What the Sox want is a RHH RF who can kill lefties and play good defense, for low cost. Name a better option. Francouer is everything they could ever ask for without giving up a big haul of prospects or big time money.

[SoxSport]

According to Bob Klapisch of the Bergen Record, the Yankees have ruled out Carlos Beltran.

The Yanks made contact with the Mets at some point in the last couple of weeks, but ultimately decided that the 34-year-old outfielder was "not a fit," writes Klapisch. Beltran has drawn serious interest this month from the Phillies, Giants, Pirates Tigers and Braves. He's likely to net the Metropolitans a decent crop of young talent

 

The infamous Klapisch. He once printed the Red Sox "begged" the Rangers to deal ARod to them, after they had backed out of a deal and the Yankees jumped in. Typical NY media. That's why you can't believe Heyman and even Olney.

[SoxSport]

He's going to hit 7th or 8th' date=' so his OBP isn't as important as his SLG. What the Sox want is a RHH RF who can kill lefties and play good defense, for low cost. Name a better option. Francouer is everything they could ever ask for without giving up a big haul of prospects or big time money.[/quote']

 

Ditto. They need a platoon-type RHD hitter who hits lefties well and for power. And who can play decent RF defense. Whoever they get should not require a top prospect. Probably not even Reddick, whose stock is increasing daily. They might even stay with what they have, but that will mean a steady diet of LHd pitching for the rest of the year. And a definite problem in the playoffs against the Phillies--if both teams get to the Series.

 

Theo knows he has to deal with that lineup imbalance. The question is what KC wants for Francouer.He might get Ludwick for cheaper from his buddy in SD.

[Palodios]

They need a platoon-type RHD hitter who hits lefties well and for power. And who can play decent RF defense. Whoever they get should not require a top prospect. Probably not even Reddick, whose stock is increasing daily. They might even stay with what they have, but that will mean a steady diet of LHd pitching for the rest of the year. And a definite problem in the playoffs against the Phillies--if both teams get to the series.

 

Theo knows he has to deal with that lineup imbalance.

 

Francouer's splits:

 

Against LHP: .315 .357 .640 .998

Against RHP: .247 .294 .384 .678

 

If that isn't a platoon player, I don't know what is.

[AtWork]

Why is it necessary to get someone to platoon with Reddick and face lefties? Reddick's hit over .400 against lefties in his brief major league career and has shown an ability to hit both lefties and righties equally well over the last four years in the minors.

[Palodios]

Why is it necessary to get someone to platoon with Reddick and face lefties? Reddick's hit over .400 against lefties in his brief major league career and has shown an ability to hit both lefties and righties equally well over the last four years in the minors.

 

15 AB

[AtWork]

15 AB

 

Did you not read my post? He's hit lefties well throughout his professional baseball career going back to 2007.

[SoxSport]

Francouer's splits:

 

Against LHP: .315 .357 .640 .998

Against RHP: .247 .294 .384 .678

 

If that isn't a platoon player, I don't know what is.

 

Ditto, as I said.

 

Francouer hit cleanup last night for KC. They might overvalue him, which would kill any deal. He's a platoon player on good teams.

[Palodios]

Ditto, as I said.

 

Francouer hit cleanup last night for KC. They might overvalue him, which would kill any deal. He's a platoon player on good teams.

 

Just agreeing with you, and emphasizing that point

[Jasonbay44]

Well its not that we need a right handed hitting OF just to platoon with Reddick. Ellsbury and Crawford have also been struggling against left handed pitching, especially Crawford. It would be nice to have a dependable right handed hitting OF on the bench. Darnell McDonald just doesnt cut it.

[iortiz]

Why is it necessary to get someone to platoon with Reddick and face lefties? Reddick's hit over .400 against lefties in his brief major league career and has shown an ability to hit both lefties and righties equally well over the last four years in the minors.

 

+1

 

We already have the solution, Men of little faith.

 

Our issue is in the pitching door.

[boston22407]

According to Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com, the Phillies and Red Sox are among the most aggressive suitors, "if not the most aggressive," for Mets' outfielder Carlos Beltran.

Interestingly, Rosenthal notes that the interest in Beltran is so high that the Mets might trade him "several days or more" before the July 31 deadline and pay less of his remaining salary than initially expected. The Red Sox and Phillies both have concerns about luxury tax ramifications, so they would likely want to Mets to cover a substantial portion of the roughly $6 million left on his contract -- at least in a perfect world -- but Rosenthal opines that both teams have demonstrated a past willingness to spend on the right players. Of course, Beltran is the best bat on the market right now, so we'll likely hear a new favorite every day until a deal is done.

[AtWork]

According to Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com, the Phillies and Red Sox are among the most aggressive suitors, "if not the most aggressive," for Mets' outfielder Carlos Beltran.

Interestingly, Rosenthal notes that the interest in Beltran is so high that the Mets might trade him "several days or more" before the July 31 deadline and pay less of his remaining salary than initially expected. The Red Sox and Phillies both have concerns about luxury tax ramifications, so they would likely want to Mets to cover a substantial portion of the roughly $6 million left on his contract -- at least in a perfect world -- but Rosenthal opines that both teams have demonstrated a past willingness to spend on the right players. Of course, Beltran is the best bat on the market right now, so we'll likely hear a new favorite every day until a deal is done.

 

Sounds like the Mets are trying to get high payroll teams involved to get other teams to cover more of Beltran's salary now that the Yankees are rumored to be out.

[boston22407]

According to CBSsports.com, the Red Sox have inquired about the 27-year-old, although it's unclear how serious the inquiries are at this point. With Clay Buchholz still out injured, the Red Sox are wondering whether or not they need to be searching for a starter.

The rumors with the Yankees are well known, but it's unknown if either AL East power has enough to offer Colorado in exchange for Jimenez. According to the report, the Reds and Rangers could be dark horses to obtain the righty's services.

 

http://www.nesn.com/2011/07/red-sox-join-race-to-secure-rockies-ace-ubaldo-jimenez.html

[iortiz]

Carlos Beltran Rumors: Tuesday

By Tim Dierkes [July 19 at 6:17pm CST]

The trade deadline is just 12 days away, and the Mets possess the best available bat in Carlos Beltran. The Mets are willing to assume a chunk of his $18.5MM salary to improve the return. Beltran will have to approve the trade, and the Phillies, Giants, Tigers, and Braves might be the most likely suitors. The latest:

 

The Pirates rate Beltran as the top available bat, but aren't going after him full-speed, according to Rob Biertempfel of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review (on Twitter).

The Phillies and Red Sox are among the most aggressive suitors for Beltran, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. Other clubs remain "strongly in the mix" for Beltran, Rosenthal reports. Both the Phillies and Red Sox are up against the luxury tax and want the Mets to pick up substantial salary in any deal. The Mets may trade the switch-hitter several days before the deadline and may have to include less money than they originally expected to send. Though Beltran can block any trade, the Mets don't expect that to become a problem.

The Giants, who acquired Jeff Keppinger earlier today, remain interested in Beltran, according to Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com (on Twitter).

The Yankees aren't in the market for Beltran, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com (on Twitter). They won't be interested in him unless somone on their roster gets injured, according to Marc Carig of the Star-Ledger.

Rival executives tell ESPN's Buster Olney that Beltran's trade value would be much higher if not for a contractual clause that prevents his team from offering arbitration after the season, therefore eliminating draft pick compensation. My take: Beltran is not a lock for Type A status, and most teams would have been reluctant to offer arbitration to him given his health history and $18.5MM salary. The impact of Beltran's "no arbitration offer" clause on his trade value seems overstated.

The Yankees discussed Beltran with the Mets, reports Olney, but he cannot see a deal happening unless it's a pure salary dump. Bob Klapisch goes a step further, saying the Yankees briefly entertained the idea but decided it's not a fit.

[iortiz]

The Red Sox are actively looking to improve their roster, according to Alex Speier of WEEI.com. Though Boston has made moves out of necessity in recent years, this summer is one of opportunity for Boston's front office, Speier writes. Left-handed relief remains one unsettled area for the first place club.

[alphilip77]

According to CBSsports.com, the Red Sox have inquired about the 27-year-old, although it's unclear how serious the inquiries are at this point. With Clay Buchholz still out injured, the Red Sox are wondering whether or not they need to be searching for a starter.

The rumors with the Yankees are well known, but it's unknown if either AL East power has enough to offer Colorado in exchange for Jimenez. According to the report, the Reds and Rangers could be dark horses to obtain the righty's services.

 

http://www.nesn.com/2011/07/red-sox-join-race-to-secure-rockies-ace-ubaldo-jimenez.html

 

I say we go all out for Jimenez. Daisuke is finished as a Sox (not that I liked him anyway), Weiland clearly isn't ready for the bigs just yet, Doubront has been up and down performance-wise, and the reality is that Miller will never pan out. I credit Theo for taking a chance on the kid, but the only thing keeping him relevant is his college credentials and high draft spot. He's walked 9 batters the past two starts and has zero strikeouts. DFA him and either option him back to AAA or move on. If we could have a staff that matches up to what Philly has coupled with our offense, nobody could touch us. Get Jimenez and Beltran and call it a trade deadline.

[Palodios]

Jimenez is not worth Lavarnway, Kalish, Ranaudo and Iglesias-- which would probably be roughly their asking price.

[iortiz]

I say we go all out for Jimenez. Daisuke is finished as a Sox (not that I liked him anyway)' date=' Weiland clearly isn't ready for the bigs just yet, Doubront has been up and down performance-wise, and the reality is that Miller will never pan out. I credit Theo for taking a chance on the kid, but the only thing keeping him relevant is his college credentials and high draft spot. He's walked 9 batters the past two starts and has zero strikeouts. DFA him and either option him back to AAA or move on. If we could have a staff that matches up to what Philly has coupled with our offense, nobody could touch us. [b']Get Jimenez and Beltran and call it a trade deadline[/b].

 

+1

 

 

Get them and everybody around here will be happy!.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

What are the chances we pick up both of them?

[AtWork]

What are the chances we pick up both of them?

 

0.01%

 

We don't have the prospects.