Saltalamacchia starting to tear it up

[Emmz]

the Salty Martin tandem with the Yankees being forced to use Cervelli would be awesome, especially that the Yanks would have to use that piece of junk Cervelli.

[a700hitter]

the Salty Martin tandem with the Yankees being forced to use Cervelli would be awesome' date=' especially that the Yanks would have to use that piece of junk Cervelli.[/quote']He's terrible and a douche to boot.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Solid performance from Salty last night.

 

He's now hitting .270/.332/.555/.887 since May 15th (220 PA), with 14 doubles, 2 triples, 13 HR, 39 Runs, and 36 RBI.

 

To put into perspective just how good he's been lately (don't want to ruffle any feathers, I'm just explaining the production we've gotten from him over the past couple months), if he produced that well for a full season, his line would be:

 

.270/.332/.555/.887, 41 Doubles, 38 HR, 105 RBI, 113 Runs.

 

I think that helps explain exactly how good of a player he really has been for us over the past couple of months. Not saying he's ever going to produce to a .890 OPS and 40 HR, but I am extremely happy with his recent production.

[ORS]

One problem with, that's a 162 game projection. Starting catchers never catch that many games. Project for like 120-130 to make it realistic.

[SoxFanForsyth]

One problem with' date=' that's a 162 game projection. Starting catchers never catch that many games. Project for like 120-130 to make it realistic.[/quote']

 

I wasn't talking about projecting what he will produce. I was putting into perspective how well he's played. There's a huge difference between saying "This is how I expect him to produce" vs "To put into perspective how well he has produced, it is the equivalent of a player putting up these numbers over the course of a season".

[a700hitter]

Tomase has some interesting stats about Salty's 2011 season in his Herald Article today.

 

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view/2011_1217with_sox_go_figure/

 

On of the more revealing stats to me is that the Red Sox went 52-51 with Saltalamacchia in the lineup last season, and he was basically two completely different players. Without him, the team played .644 ball with a record of 38-21. I said that he was at best an adequate player, and the teams record was barely adequate when he played.

[jung]

I wonder how much all those losses at the start of the season were a reflection on Salty and how he handled the pitchers or a reflection on the starters that might have simply been resistant to having Salty back there. I do seem to remember that at the start he provided what I thought was a pretty poor target for one thing.

[Station 13]

Tomase has some interesting stats about Salty's 2011 season in his Herald Article today.

 

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view/2011_1217with_sox_go_figure/

 

On of the more revealing stats to me is that the Red Sox went 52-51 with Saltalamacchia in the lineup last season, and he was basically two completely different players. Without him, the team played .644 ball with a record of 38-21. I said that he was at best an adequate player, and the teams record was barely adequate when he played.

 

Tek catches Beckett exclusively so that explains the better winning percentage. 2011 was Beckett best since 2007.

[a700hitter]

Tek catches Beckett exclusively so that explains the better winning percentage. 2011 was Beckett best since 2007.

Becket was 6 games over .500. The Sox were 18 games over .500 in non-Salty games.

[Station 13]

Becket was 6 games over .500. The Sox were 18 games over .500 in non-Salty games.

 

Beckett got lots of no decisions.

 

I think Tek caught Dice-K two 1 hitter games.

 

Beside Salty catches Wake and Lackey, both were bad.

[User Name]

Tomase himself says in the article that most players (logically) do better on team wins than losses, and that Salty's year was simply a statistical curiosity.

 

Since he had an agenda, he didn't bother reading to that point. What a joke.

[ORS]

 

On of the more revealing stats to me is that the Red Sox went 52-51 with Saltalamacchia in the lineup last season, and he was basically two completely different players. Without him, the team played .644 ball with a record of 38-21. I said that he was at best an adequate player, and the teams record was barely adequate when he played.

Wins as an analytical is bad enough when used for pitchers, which is discussed ad nauseum in baseball forums across the great world wide web. Applying it to position players might be one of the silliest things I've seen (no offense intended). When you say you got revelation from that stat, I think you've confused it with confirmation - which from the last sentence of of this quote, it appears to be what you were looking for.

[jacksonianmarch]

He got pretty tired late in the season. Not surprising for a young catcher going through the grind of a season. It remains to be seen what kind of player he is. Is he a guy who can hit 15-20 HRs and get on base at a .320+ clip or is he a guy who will hit 15-20HRs and get on base at a .280 clip. Remember, he's an offensive catcher. His defense is pretty miserable at best. So if he doesnt turn it on this yr, then it's time to look for another backstop. Having a good defensive catcher behind him who can also hit at times will help get him adequate rest. It also gives the sox a contingency plan should Salty implode

[VA Sox Fan]

Tomase himself says in the article that most players (logically) do better on team wins than losses, and that Salty's year was simply a statistical curiosity.

 

Since he had an agenda, he didn't bother reading to that point. What a joke.

 

Wins as an analytical is bad enough when used for pitchers' date=' which is discussed ad nauseum in baseball forums across the great world wide web. Applying it to position players might be one of the silliest things I've seen (no offense intended). When you say you got revelation from that stat, I think you've confused it with confirmation - which from the last sentence of of this quote, it appears to be what you were looking for.[/quote']

 

^This and This^

[a700hitter]

Wins as an analytical is bad enough when used for pitchers' date=' which is discussed ad nauseum in baseball forums across the great world wide web. Applying it to position players might be one of the silliest things I've seen (no offense intended). When you say you got revelation from that stat, I think you've confused it with confirmation - which from the last sentence of of this quote, it appears to be what you were looking for.[/quote']I don't totally agree with this. If a team loses its best offensive player who makes the hitters around him better, the team will often go into a losing streak. When the Sox were forced to play without Ortiz in interleague and due to the suspension, the Sox did terribly. I think wins-losses is probably a better indicator for a catcher than other position players. It's obviously not the be all and end all, but it would make me do some further statistical investigation. Lots of people refute the stat by noting that he caught Lackey and Wakefield, but the team was just about .500 in their starts. Surprisingly, the team was exactly. 500 in Lester's starts, and Salty was his catcher. We should win a greater percentage of Lester's starts.

[a700hitter]

^This and This^

^ This adds a lot to the discourse.

[VA Sox Fan]

^ This adds a lot to the discourse.

 

[mvp 78]

 

You meant to say " copyright VA Sox Fan " right?

[VA Sox Fan]

You meant to say " copyright VA Sox Fan " right?

 

Exactly

[a700hitter]

Exactly

Without emoticons and the bold function and ^, you'd have almost nothing to say.

[VA Sox Fan]

Without emoticons and the bold function and ^' date=' you'd have almost nothing to say.[/quote']

 

Exactly, there isn't much to say this time of year.

[a700hitter]

Exactly' date=' there isn't much to say this time of year.[/quote']There's nothing to watch, but plenty to discuss. On Tuesday's on NESN there is The Red Sox Hot Stove Report hosted by Tom Carron. Gammons, Abraham, Cafardo among others are on the show and they talk about a great many things about the Red Sox.

[VA Sox Fan]

There's nothing to watch' date=' but plenty to discuss. On Tuesday's on NESN there is The Red Sox Hot Stove Report hosted by Tom Carron. Gammons, Abraham, Cafardo among others are on the show and they talk about a great many things about the Red Sox.[/quote']

 

I don't get NESN, unfortunately.

[a700hitter]

I don't get NESN' date=' unfortunately.[/quote']You don't need it. We discuss the same stuff here, and the good thing is that we get to post our own thoughts regarding those issues. That's a very limited feature on the NESN show. It is too bad that our discussion annoys you.

 

On the last show, Abraham and Cafardo disagreed on almost every issue. Abraham was completely negative about Bard starting, and later in the show Bard was on the show live via Skype. He didn't seem to be bothered by Abraham's opinion. People here should be so tolerant.:thumbsup::thumbsup: copyright VA Sox FAn.

[Spudboy]

:lol::lol:

[a700hitter]

:lol::lol:

Spud, where have you been? Hopefully, things are going well for you.

[SoxSport]

There's nothing to watch' date=' but plenty to discuss. On Tuesday's on NESN there is The Red Sox Hot Stove Report hosted by Tom Carron. Gammons, Abraham, Cafardo among others are on the show and they talk about a great many things about the Red Sox.[/quote']

 

MLB cable is another good channel for these types of discussions. "Hall of Famer" Gammons,

as he is always introduced , is often on their Hot Stove program at 6 pm every night, as are the rumor guys Heyman and Rosenthal. They talk about all the teams. John Hart, ex-GM, is also on regularly, as are a number of ex-players.

 

I get all the channels for the major sports (MLB,NBA,NFL) in my cable package, and find they are well produced. The ex-players and -coaches are very interesting to listen to.

[SoxSport]

You don't need it. We discuss the same stuff here, and the good thing is that we get to post our own thoughts regarding those issues. That's a very limited feature on the NESN show. It is too bad that our discussion annoys you.

 

On the last show, Abraham and Cafardo disagreed on almost every issue. Abraham was completely negative about Bard starting, and later in the show Bard was on the show live via Skype. He didn't seem to be bothered by Abraham's opinion. People here should be so tolerant.:thumbsup::thumbsup: copyright VA Sox FAn.

 

I think Nick has an in with Lucchino. Abraham is a former Yankee beat writer.

I don't know if the writers know any more baseball than the well-informed fan, but they do have access to more inside information. Cafardo has been on the money recently.

[SCM33]

Since June 1st:

32 Games.

114 AB's.

20 Hits.

.175 BA.

41 K's.

.237 OBP.

.593 OPS.

 

Still can't catch or call a game.

[jung]

I know...Salty's ability to keep people looking for a silver lining is his best quality.

 

Usually folks can rationalize a catcher that hits but can't catch much by pointing out that a hitting catcher is such a rarity...we should accept his defensive foibles.

 

Then there are folks that can make the more common argument for the catcher that can handle pitchers, receive the ball and throw well ala' one of the Molinas.

 

But in Salty we have the trifecta....can't hit worth a damn, does not handle pitchers well....Geez he still cannot give a decent target, and he can't receive and is a defensive liability....yet he keeps us hoping.

 

I have to give him credit though cause I bash him so much....he has made what I consider an incredible improvement in his throwing...I have said that now for a few months but keep mentioning it only to at least acknowledge that he has improved something.