Saltalamacchia starting to tear it up

[SoxFanForsyth]

LOL, you, along with most of this forum, are judging his last two months as if it's all that matters. I'll say this again, similar stats with a massively inflated SLG% is the classic signs of a fluke. You people actually think that the last two months compare to the rest of the sample size, which suggests I'm right, and you're wrong.

 

He's not very good, he's average, mediocre, whatever you want to call it, but he's not an elite offensive catcher yet. Maybe if he produces this way for two years, get back to me.

 

My dear God. Are you serious right now?? This has to be a joke. Salty is 26. His career stats are from the ages of 22-25. 37% of his career numbers came from when he WAS 22 YEARS OLD!!! Please forgive us for realizing that players have the ability to develop. I'm sorry that you're unable to process that simple fact.

 

You can discount the fact that he had a horrible start because of high pressure all you want, but pardon me if I'm more apt to judge him based on his past 250 PA than his first 45. Once he settled down and became familiar with the pitching staff and the system, what has he done? Oh, not much, just hit .259/.322/.509/.831.

 

But no, you're right. He's not allowed to put up good numbers because he had bad career numbers by the time he was 25. :wetodd::wetodd::wetodd:

[Palodios]

What on earth are you babbling about? In AA he has had a .787 OPS. In AAA he has had a .799 OPS. His first year in the majors he had a .732 OPS. His second year in the majors, he had a .716 OPS. If he hits .750-.800 for the rest of his career, which is not completely out of the question, that would make him a high-tier offensive catcher. Not quite elite, but definitely to the point where you say "I'm sure glad we have him instead of ____"

[SoxFanForsyth]

What on earth are you babbling about? In AA he has had a .787 OPS. In AAA he has had a .799 OPS. His first year in the majors he had a .732 OPS. His second year in the majors' date=' he had a .716 OPS. If he hits .750-.800 for the rest of his career, which is not completely out of the question, that would make him a high-tier offensive catcher. Not quite elite, but definitely to the point where you say "I'm sure glad we have him instead of ____"[/quote']

 

Wait. Are you talking to me?

[Palodios]

Wait. Are you talking to me?

 

Nope.

[a700hitter]

If he hits .250, I'll be happy. His defense has improved a lot. He's adequate and he plays a position where most players are not very good.

[Emmz]

What on earth are you babbling about? In AA he has had a .787 OPS. In AAA he has had a .799 OPS. His first year in the majors he had a .732 OPS. His second year in the majors' date=' he had a .716 OPS. If he hits .750-.800 for the rest of his career, which is not completely out of the question, that would make him a high-tier offensive catcher. Not quite elite, but definitely to the point where you say "I'm sure glad we have him instead of ____"[/quote']

 

Is it really this difficult for you people to read?

[SoxFanForsyth]

Is it really this difficult for you people to read?

 

it's pretty easy to read that you're calling this season a fluke based on career stats, which are substantially influenced (37%) by his stats at 22.

 

Maybe you just don't understand how progression works. :dunno:

[Emmz]

My dear God. Are you serious right now?? This has to be a joke. Salty is 26. His career stats are from the ages of 22-25. 37% of his career numbers came from when he WAS 22 YEARS OLD!!! Please forgive us for realizing that players have the ability to develop. I'm sorry that you're unable to process that simple fact.

 

You can discount the fact that he had a horrible start because of high pressure all you want, but pardon me if I'm more apt to judge him based on his past 250 PA than his first 45. Once he settled down and became familiar with the pitching staff and the system, what has he done? Oh, not much, just hit .259/.322/.509/.831.

 

But no, you're right. He's not allowed to put up good numbers because he had bad career numbers by the time he was 25. :wetodd::wetodd::wetodd:

 

Refer to my last post, you seriously are not even listening. Not reading anything I say at all.

 

This is nothing more than more overly-optimistic irrational ******** where you try and paint my argument to be a certain way that it definitely is not. It's very clear, too, I'm not speaking Greek here.

 

I'll put this in simple terms:

 

1. Salty arrives to Boston, having been a disappointment over his short career and having little expectations.

 

2. Salty starts out slow, the fans for the most part are all "boo he sucks get rid of him!!", look back on the game threads when he was struggling early on, you'll see what I mean.

 

3. Salty starts to tear it up, Dojji makes a post basically hinting that maybe it's time we "eat crow" on him, implying he's the real deal.

 

4. Salty continues to tear it up, Red Sox Nation, Talksox included, is all "dude Salty's one of the top 3 catchers in the AL!!" and explaining how this is just him becoming what he was supposed to be. This is where I simply suggest maybe you should take it easy, as this could very easily be a fluke, and he isn't an .850 OPS hitter afterall.

 

5. He stinks it up for a few weeks, his averages are starting to go back down to career averages, the exception of his 50 point boost in slugging percentage.

 

All I did was say that you guys should take it easy on the pro-Salty stuff. I for one don't feel like getting saddled with the mediocre catcher he was before. Your argument is based off the success of two months out of his major league career. This is extremely irrational.

[Emmz]

it's pretty easy to read that you're calling this season a fluke based on career stats, which are substantially influenced (37%) by his stats at 22.

 

Maybe you just don't understand how progression works. :dunno:

 

EEEHHHHHHH!!!!! Wrong answer!

 

The two of you (Dojji and you) could build an army of scarecrows with all this straw!

[Palodios]

Is it really this difficult for you people to read?

 

You have a bad habit of arguing against a posting style rather than arguing against what is being said. Salty's slg this year is exactly .005 points away from his career AAA stats, and you're claiming that is completely unsustainable. So stop arguing semantics, and defend that statement.

[Emmz]

You have a bad habit of arguing against a posting style rather than arguing against what is being said. Salty's slg this year is exactly .005 points away from his career AAA stats' date=' and you're claiming that is completely unsustainable. So stop arguing semantics, and defend that statement.[/quote']

 

I never said it was unsustainable, you're putting words into my mouth.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Refer to my last post, you seriously are not even listening. Not reading anything I say at all.

 

This is nothing more than more overly-optimistic irrational ******** where you try and paint my argument to be a certain way that it definitely is not. It's very clear, too, I'm not speaking Greek here.

 

I'll put this in simple terms:

 

1. Salty arrives to Boston, having been a disappointment over his short career and having little expectations.

 

2. Salty starts out slow, the fans for the most part are all "boo he sucks get rid of him!!", look back on the game threads when he was struggling early on, you'll see what I mean.

 

3. Salty starts to tear it up, Dojji makes a post basically hinting that maybe it's time we "eat crow" on him, implying he's the real deal.

 

4. Salty continues to tear it up, Red Sox Nation, Talksox included, is all "dude Salty's one of the top 3 catchers in the AL!!" and explaining how this is just him becoming what he was supposed to be. This is where I simply suggest maybe you should take it easy, as this could very easily be a fluke, and he isn't an .850 OPS hitter afterall.

 

5. He stinks it up for a few weeks, his averages are starting to go back down to career averages, the exception of his 50 point boost in slugging percentage.

 

All I did was say that you guys should take it easy on the pro-Salty stuff. I for one don't feel like getting saddled with the mediocre catcher he was before. Your argument is based off the success of two months out of his major league career. This is extremely irrational.

 

Yeah. I can't think of a single player who progressed significantly from the age gap of 22-25 to the age gap of 26-30.

 

And by the way. Have you seen the AL catchers? Salty's .770 OPS right now ranks 3rd. And have you never heard the phrase "The trend is your friend"? Salty is trending upward. Do you think that it may actually be possible that he's developing as a hitter, and the past 4 months are a representation of that? Or, no, that's not possible because he's only done it for 4 months and he is unable to progress over his career numbers at the age of 25.

 

Who's being irrational again?

[Emmz]

Yeah. I can't think of a single player who progressed significantly from the age gap of 22-25 to the age gap of 26-30.

 

And by the way. Have you seen the AL catchers? Salty's .770 OPS right now ranks 3rd. And have you never heard the phrase "The trend is your friend"? Salty is trending upward. Do you think that it may actually be possible that he's developing as a hitter, and the past 4 months are a representation of that? Or, no, that's not possible because he's only done it for 4 months and he is unable to progress over his career numbers at the age of 25.

 

Who's being irrational again?

 

I give up.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I give up.

 

Good. You never had a chance. Your argument had no weight.

[Palodios]

I never said it was unsustainable' date=' you're putting words into my mouth.[/quote']

 

 

LOL' date=' you, along with most of this forum, are judging his last two months as if it's all that matters. I'll say this again, similar stats with a [b']massively inflated SLG% is the classic signs of a fluke. You people actually think that the last two months compare to the rest of the sample size[/b], which suggests I'm right, and you're wrong.

 

You're full of s***.

[SoxFanForsyth]

You're full of s***.

 

Smartest thing said today.

[Emmz]

You're full of s***.

 

I didn't say unsustainable, his only stat that was up was his SLG%, that is all. That's a huge stretch from unsustainable. Try pulling something out of your ass that actually fits the description of what you're going on about.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I didn't say unsustainable' date=' his only stat that was up was his SLG%, that is all. That's a huge stretch from unsustainable. Try pulling something out of your ass that actually fits the description of what you're going on about.[/quote']

 

So, by this theory, flukes are sustainable? :dunno:

[Emmz]

I have said at most that I don't think it's sustainable, I did not say it's "completely unsustainable". If he had a 1.300 OPS, that's unsustainable. I've only said that I don't necessarily believe he will sustain his .850 OPS that he had for a few months into the next season. That is all I've said.

[Dojji]

And I don't see why that can't happen. It's obvious he's made some developmental progress over the course of the season and he's not far off the .800 OPS mark on the season as it is. What you're dismissing as unlikely really isn't that farfetched

[Palodios]

I didn't say unsustainable' date=' his only stat that was up was his SLG%, that is all. That's a huge stretch from unsustainable. Try pulling something out of your ass that actually fits the description of what you're going on about.[/quote']

 

I have said at most that I don't think it's sustainable' date='[/quote']

 

 

Oh, I get it now. You're trolling.

[Emmz]

So' date=' by this theory, flukes are sustainable? :dunno:[/quote']

 

Refer to my last post. Fluke=/="completely unsustainable". I only suggested that it could be a fluke, I never even said that this is a fluke, or that he's going to continue to be mediocre after this season. I just said I think .850 OPS is out of his reach. At the beginning of all of this, somewhere a few pages back, I mentioned all of this, how I thought .750 OPS is reasonable and decent for a catcher.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I have said at most that I don't think it's sustainable' date=' I did not say it's "completely unsustainable". If he had a 1.300 OPS, that's unsustainable. I've only said that I don't necessarily believe he will sustain his .850 OPS that he had for a few months into the next season. That is all I've said.[/quote']

 

LOL' date=' you, along with most of this forum, are judging his last two months as if it's all that matters. [b']I'll say this again, similar stats with a massively inflated SLG% is the classic signs of a fluke.[/b] You people actually think that the last two months compare to the rest of the sample size, which suggests I'm right, and you're wrong.

 

He's not very good, he's average, mediocre, whatever you want to call it, but he's not an elite offensive catcher yet. Maybe if he produces this way for two years, get back to me.

 

Seems like you were being pretty arrogant and matter-of-fact about this being a fluke season. Now you're saying that it is sustainable. So you're saying flukes are sustainable.

 

Or maybe it's not a fluke. And maybe you're wrong? But that can't be right because it would completely contradict your other comment.

 

Hmmm...

[Emmz]

Oh' date=' I get it now. You're trolling.[/quote']

 

.850 OPS is what I'm referring to, not his slugging percentage going up. I personally don't think that's realistic for Salty. You took that out of context, deliberately.

[Dojji]

Emmz, anyone else would have stopped digging at about this point.

[Emmz]

Seems like you were being pretty arrogant and matter-of-fact about this being a fluke season. Now you're saying that it is sustainable. So you're saying flukes are sustainable.

 

Or maybe it's not a fluke. And maybe you're wrong? But that can't be right because it would completely contradict your other comment.

 

Hmmm...

 

An increase in slugging percentage, but nothing else is the classic symptom of a fluke offensive season, which Salty has. Regardless of whether or not if it's in tune with his AA numbers, which is completely unsubstantial in this argument.

[Palodios]

An increase in slugging percentage' date=' but nothing else is the classic symptom of a fluke offensive season, which Salty has. Regardless of whether or not if it's in tune with his AA numbers, which is completely unsubstantial in this argument.[/quote']

 

Not AA numbers, AAA numbers. And his slug this year is fairly close to his first season in the majors as well. And you're leaving absolutely no room for improvement either, which is really a short-sighted perspective.

[SoxFanForsyth]

An increase in slugging percentage' date=' but [b']nothing else is the classic symptom of a fluke offensive season, which Salty has[/b]. Regardless of whether or not if it's in tune with his AA numbers, which is completely unsubstantial in this argument.

 

Because...

 

When he was 22, he didn't SLG .402. And now he's 26, and SLG .462? Oh wait, those numbers are correct. I guess you're not allowed to increase your SLG by 6% over 5 seasons of progression.

 

Or maybe it's because he's actually getting consistent at bats this season. Something he hasn't gotten since he was, wait for it....22 years old.

 

It's crazy, the things you see when you aren't trying to manipulate information.

 

Refer to my last post. Fluke=/="completely unsustainable". I only suggested that it could be a fluke' date=' I never even said that this is a fluke, or that he's going to continue to be mediocre after this season. I just said I think .850 OPS is out of his reach. At the beginning of all of this, somewhere a few pages back, I mentioned all of this, how I thought .750 OPS is reasonable and decent for a catcher.[/quote']

 

Ok. Is it a fluke season, or isn't it a fluke season. You say "Salty is having a fluke season" then you say "I only suggested that it could be a fluke.

 

Flukes aren't sustainable. Either he's having a fluke season and his OPS is not sustainable, or he's progressing as a hitter, and his numbers are sustainable. But for the love of God. Stop going in circles and making contradicting posts every other post.

[Emmz]

Not AA numbers' date=' AAA numbers. And his slug this year is fairly close to his first season in the majors as well. And you're leaving absolutely no room for improvement either, which is really a short-sighted perspective.[/quote']

 

No I'm not, .750 OPS is decent for a catcher, I said that's within his reach earlier in this thread, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HE HAS NOW, I didn't say he could not improve. I said .850 OPS, .900 OPS, those three months where everyone was praising him for how good of an offensive catcher he was, is not realistic to me. THAT IS ALL I SAID.

[Emmz]

Because...

 

When he was 22, he didn't SLG .402. And now he's 26, and SLG .462? Oh wait, those numbers are correct. I guess you're not allowed to increase your SLG by 6% over 5 seasons of progression.

 

Or maybe it's because he's actually getting consistent at bats this season. Something he hasn't gotten since he was, wait for it....22 years old.

 

It's crazy, the things you see when you aren't trying to manipulate information.

 

 

 

Ok. Is it a fluke season, or isn't it a fluke season. You say "Salty is having a fluke season" then you say "I only suggested that it could be a fluke.

 

Flukes aren't sustainable. Either he's having a fluke season and his OPS is not sustainable, or he's progressing as a hitter, and his numbers are sustainable. But for the love of God. Stop going in circles and making contradicting posts every other post.

 

I'm not, you're picking spots and taking them out of context to feed your argument.