RF future

[mjd]

what happens after drew? kalish or reddick?

[EXman369]

all signs are indicating at kalish right now as the replacement come 2012

[J-Beck]

Last I heard Reddick was the newest reincarnation of Christ unless I missed something recently?

[alphilip77]

At this point, I'm all for Kalish taking over RF in 2012.

[Dojji]

Depends on if CF is also in play, which depends on Jacoby making the progress he needs to make offensively, defensively and healthwise. If CF is in play, the answer could be Reddick. If not, it's probably Kalish, and Reddick either plays 4th OF or gets traded.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Kalish jumped from AA to MLB last year with a brief stop in AAA. Give him a full year's worth of AB's in AAA (hopefully), and he'll be a 20HR/20SB guy.

 

It's easily Kalish's job to lose. Reddick will be trade bait, probably along with Lowrie and Lars this offseason. Not saying they will all three get dished, but one of those 3 gets dished by April, 2012.

[SoxSport]

Kalish jumped from AA to MLB last year with a brief stop in AAA. Give him a full year's worth of AB's in AAA (hopefully), and he'll be a 20HR/20SB guy.

 

It's easily Kalish's job to lose. Reddick will be trade bait, probably along with Lowrie and Lars this offseason. Not saying they will all three get dished, but one of those 3 gets dished by April, 2012.

 

Bill James projected those stats for Kalish this year, but that was before they got Crawford.

Kalish is a keeper, and could wind up in CF if Ellsbury/Boras are too rich for Boston.

[example1]

Is this even really a discussion? It's Kalish unless Ellsbury gets moved. Is anyone even certain that Reddick will be the 4th or 5th OF by the end of 2011?

[SCM33]

Im actually going to go with neither of them.

 

Kalish will end up being a 4th OF.

 

They will sign someone and Reddick will be traded.

[Dojji]

Kalish isn't 4th OF material. I don't think you can get a guy for 8 figures who'll do better than he will -- at least not in right field. Left field maybe.

[BSN07]

Im actually going to go with neither of them.

 

Kalish will end up being a 4th OF.

 

They will sign someone and Reddick will be traded.

 

There not signing anyone. Kalish is key for a couple reasons. He is a very good player for one and projects to be a solid ML. Plus his low cost will help offset the impending costs of AGon and Crawford. The Sox will need a couple players making minimal money here for the next few years. IMO that's Kalish and Iglesias.

[SoxFanForsyth]

There not signing anyone. Kalish is key for a couple reasons. He is a very good player for one and projects to be a solid ML. Plus his low cost will help offset the impending costs of AGon and Crawford. The Sox will need a couple players making minimal money here for the next few years. IMO that's Kalish and Iglesias.

 

This this this times infinity.

 

Theo can't live in the FA pool, and his core homegrown talent is graduating to high paid players. Buch and Bard will both be arbitration eligible and will see significant raises next year. It's time for the next wave of homegrown players to step in and provide some salary relief after signing Gonzo and Crawford. Lester, Pap, Youk, Pedey, and Ells are making over $30mm this year, so the days of the homegrown cheap talent is starting to fade with those players. Given, for that group of talent, $30mm is pretty cheap, but that figure is going to increase over the next few years, so we'll need some young guns to come in and take Drew's 14mm down to $500k, or Scutaro's 5.5mm down to 450k.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Im actually going to go with neither of them.

 

Kalish will end up being a 4th OF.

 

They will sign someone and Reddick will be traded.

 

No way the Sox sign someone to a deal that would keep Kalish down in AAA any longer than he has to be. Once he get's that full 500+ AB's in AAA, he's going to be up in the bigs.

 

Look at it this way. Each player in their rookie season.

 

Player A: 163 AB, .252/.305/.405, 4 HR, 24 RBI, 10 SB

Player B: 259 AB, .259/.290/.371, 2 HR, 30 RBI, 9 SB

 

Player A is Ryan Kalish

Player B is Carl Crawford

 

Obviously, that's a small sample size, but Kalish put up comparable stats to Crawford in their rookie seasons, so I see absolutely no reason to sign an OF to start over Kalish instead of giving him a chance to show what he can do.

[jacksonianmarch]

Comparable stats in a 160AB debut is ridiculous. That would imply that Mark Quinn who won a ROY award would end up being a star in the bigs (you know how that turned out). The fact is, he has great tools and has put up good stats in the minors. He was rushed due to need last yr and needs another yr of AAA seasoning. If he continues to progress, then he'll get a shot at the RF job in 2012. But nothing is free in the AL East, the kid will probably have to beat out a veteran to get the job

[SoxFanForsyth]

Comparable stats in a 160AB debut is ridiculous. That would imply that Mark Quinn who won a ROY award would end up being a star in the bigs (you know how that turned out). The fact is' date=' he has great tools and has put up good stats in the minors. He was rushed due to need last yr and needs another yr of AAA seasoning. If he continues to progress, then he'll get a shot at the RF job in 2012. But nothing is free in the AL East, the kid will probably have to beat out a veteran to get the job[/quote']

 

I wasn't saying that he is going to be the next Carl Crawford. I was simply showing that, while his stats may not look like an MVP favorite, it was his rookie year and he was getting used to MLB pitching basically straight from AA, and he was able to have moderate success. It was intended to debate the idea that we should sign someone and have Kalish as a 4th OF. Like I said in my original post. I see no reason why we wouldn't give him a shot to see what he can do. You saw how CC turned out, Kalish put up comparable stats, lets see how well it translates before we go drop 8 figures on a FA.

 

As far as next year, its 100% Kalish's job to lose. That begins now, though. If he hits .220 in AAA, I'm sure someone else will get a shot.

 

But he won't hit .220, and he will be the RF in 2012.

[Dojji]

You guys aren't giving Josh Reddick nearly enough credit. Yeah his cameos haven't been great in the bigs so far, but he's the one of the two who has the tools to crank 40, while Kalish looks very much like a young Johnny Damon with a right fielder's arm. Both are still good prospects at the moment. And despite the fact that it seems like he's been in AAA forever, Reddick's only 23 -- he's still got time. Kalish is much more polished, I'll give you that, and if we had an opening this year it would definitely be Kalish that filled it. but either one could make a good RF or CF if they get their crap together.

[SoxFanForsyth]

You guys aren't giving Josh Reddick nearly enough credit. Yeah his cameos haven't been great in the bigs so far' date=' but he's the one of the two who has the tools to crank 40, while Kalish looks very much like a young Johnny Damon with a right fielder's arm. Both are still good prospects at the moment. And despite the fact that it seems like he's been in AAA forever, Reddick's only 23 -- he's still got time. Kalish is much more polished, I'll give you that, and if we had an opening this year it would definitely be Kalish that filled it. but either one could make a good RF or CF if they get their crap together.[/quote']

 

The problem with having Kalish and Reddick is that they're both LH and we already have 2 LH OF, so pushing it to 4 next year would not be great. I think Reddick gets dished after a solid season in AAA this year.

[Dojji]

I didn't say it depended on whether CF is in play because I wanted to sound intelligent. I'm aware of the handedness issue.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Why would CF be in play? Ells isn't going anywhere. Cost controlled dynamic OF that has proven to be a solid leadoff hitter and is always a threat to steal 50+ bases and score 100 runs?

 

Reddick would not be an upgrade over that.

[Dojji]

Health.

[SoxFanForsyth]

So we just release Ellsbury? Or Reddick is the 4th OF, which would mean we'd have our top 4 OF's as lefties, which is exactly what I was saying in my original post.

[Dojji]

You are seriously jumping to conclusions here. You're assuming I'm coning here with answers when all I'm trying to do is pose questions.

 

BTW I have no problem with a possible trade of Reddick, provided we get fair value. But for now he's still with the team and he's got enough talent to be taken seriously as a future Boston outfielder. I like Kalish too, but let's be realistic, we have 2 solid young outfielders at the moment, and Reddick has every chance to take that job if he puts it together.

[Dipre]

Dojji, why are you banging the Reddick drum again?

 

It's not that people aren't giving Reddick enough credit, it's that he's not displaying any sort of production that would warrant him even being a 4th OF on this team, specially with the projected 2012 OF (even if Ellsbury weren't to show much in the way of production, Reddick wouldn't supplant him given the fact that, well, Reddick is sucking ass) being predominantly left handed, raising the need for RHH backup OF's? I know you like the guy, but Christ, let's stick to reality here.

[Dojji]

I think it's not realistic to presume that a guy with that kind of skillset and that age will not produce more within the next 2 years than he has in the last 2. If he doesn't, fine, I'm not gonna waste a lot of tears over it, but if he does, he better recieve the credit and recognition he deserves, even if that just means him getting dealt for a reasonable estimation of his value.

 

Kalish is winning the head to head competition between the two right now, granted, you'd have to be blind not to see it. There is a large material difference between "is winning" and "has won."

[SoxSport]

Kalish has the potential of being a Crawford-type player. Watching Crawford play LF this year will be something.

[mvp 78]

You guys aren't giving Josh Reddick nearly enough credit. Yeah his cameos haven't been great in the bigs so far' date=' but he's the one of the two who has the tools to crank 40, while Kalish looks very much like a young Johnny Damon with a right fielder's arm. Both are still good prospects at the moment. And despite the fact that it seems like he's been in AAA forever, Reddick's only 23 -- he's still got time. Kalish is much more polished, I'll give you that, and if we had an opening this year it would definitely be Kalish that filled it. but either one could make a good RF or CF if they get their crap together.[/quote']

 

Crank 40 what? Home runs? Only 7 players have hit 40 in the past 3 years. To think that's Reddick's ceiling is laughable. He has yet to show that type of power potential. Compare his minor league stats by age with other 40 HR players and the comparisson just doesn't work in your arguement's favor. It's nice to see that you're getting close to midseason form with your posts though.

[Dojji]

Again, you're really underestimating Reddick. His power potential is very high. Where he struggles is in every area where Youkilis thrives -- patience, pitch recognition, etc. He's got good bat speed but he doesn't seem to be able to use it to give him that extra split second to see the pitch coming the way Youks does.

 

I dunno if he's ever going to get his pitch recognition up to the point where he can see the ball well enough to hit it out 40 times, but in terms of raw tools, sure it's there and it's easy to see.

[mvp 78]

Again, you're really underestimating Reddick. His power potential is very high. Where he struggles is in every area where Youkilis thrives -- patience, pitch recognition, etc. He's got good bat speed but he doesn't seem to be able to use it to give him that extra split second to see the pitch coming the way Youks does.

 

I dunno if he's ever going to get his pitch recognition up to the point where he can see the ball well enough to hit it out 40 times, but in terms of raw tools, sure it's there and it's easy to see.

 

To think he has Pujols, Dunn, Fielder, Howard tools is kinda overstating it a bit especially when you compare performance by age. Also, 40 homers isn't as easy as it was a few years ago. Could he hit 25? Maybe. 40? Highly unlikely.

 

I'm not trying to bag on the guy, but 40 homers is a stretch. Saying it's easy to see when he's never shown it doesn't make sense to me.

[Dojji]

THat's why it's a ceiling.

[Dipre]

In this case, ceiling is nothing but an over-optimistic projection.

 

But the problem with Reddick has never been power. It's pitch recognition and patience. A sub-.330 OBP in the Minor Leagues is not boding well for a future promotion to the Majors.

 

Blind yourself to the truth all you want, but right now Reddick looks like a bust, quite possibly not even a monster 2011 is going to put him ahead of Kalish in a competition for the RF job.