Off-season baseball redraft

[Keeper]

Did we determine a final salary cap?

 

$100,000?

 

In addition' date=' another thing to be concerned about is that arbitration isn't going to take place for a while, so a lot of players under team control won't have final numbers issued for a while. Should we just use 2010 salaries since they are all in the open?[/quote']

 

That's a good point. I was thinking about that, too.

[italstallianion]

Do you mean 100 Million?

[Keeper]

LOL Yes, my bad.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Do you guys use Cot's for the salary numbers?

[italstallianion]

Do you guys use Cot's for the salary numbers?

 

 

I do personally, but a lot of new signings aren't listed, and of course, a lot of 2011 numbers aren't listed because a lot of players didn't sign, and the arbitration process hasn't begun meaning that a lot of younger players don't have their salary figures at this point. We'll wait for Dipre to return so we can determine whether or not to use 2010 or 2011 salaries. I'm getting kind of ansy because I went to set up a few spread sheets and now I have to wait for Dipre to return before I go any further.

[a700hitter]

An auction is a lot of fun, but probably very cumbersome on the internet.

[italstallianion]

EVERYONE TAKE NOTE!!!

 

 

Dipre is having trouble getting online right now, so we discussed things and we are going to set the salary cap at 110 million, USING 2010 SALARIES!!!!

 

For new draft players, make sure to check talksox frequently to see when your draft pick is. If you aren't going to be online and you think your pick is coming up soon, then message someone who will be online (I'm a good choice) who your pick is going to be (and a few backups) and we will make your pick for you. If you are skipped multiple times in the draft, we will end up skipping you continually until you make your picks up.

 

Once the draft starts, we will have a separate draft thread and a clubhouse thread, one will be for you to make your picks and/or discuss picks, and the other will be for you to build your lineup/rotation/bench etc. It will also be a place where you can note your rosters so it'll be easy to copy and paste them when it comes time to vote. Are there any questions?

[Dipre]

On a side note (since Talksox decided to let me post again) we have set the start date to right around New Year's unless the people who are playing decide they'd like to start at an earlier time.

 

So far, the following ideas have been presented:

 

110 million cap.

 

25-man rosters.

 

Draft is to for 2011.

 

2010 salaries will be used.

 

Teams to be constructed like real baseball teams, not fantasy teams, meaning defense will be taken into consideration.

 

Any other ideas can be presented in this thread, and good luck everyone!

[italstallianion]

I almost see this thing being like a time capsule, where the best way to determine which team is the best is by looking at the stats at the end of the season.

 

Also, make sure you use players in roles that they are used to. For example, don't draft Mariano Rivera, Johnathan Papelbon, and Rafael Soriano on your team and put 2 of them as "set up men" as one would on a fantasy team. As Dipre noted, this is not a fantasy team, so things such as defense, injuries, lockerroom presence, and intangibles should be taken into consideration and will be noted in the voting.

 

A few other points. When you make your draft choice, be sure to put the player name and position in bold, and also put the 2010 salary. The reason why you should do this is for people to make sure that you have the right number, and so that you can deduct it towards your salary cap and help keep you guys from going over.

 

At the end of the draft, there will be a period where people can trade players in case people are over cap. In the NBA draft I believe that 2 of the 12 teams were over the cap limit.

 

We will get started with the draft around New Years, so people like me can plan our strategy now, and more people are welcome to join. With the salary cap at 110 million, there'd be plenty of talent around for everyone. Dipre will make the rules and decisions that need to be made, but I'll be the "creator" of the thread so that I can update the chart pick by pick. I might need help setting up the chart in my thread though.

 

Any questions can be presented at any time. I'm sure that this will be fun, as most of the other redrafts usually are.

[YanksHater213]

You can say it as much as you want, but people won't vote based on "things such as defense, injuries, lockerroom presence, and intangibles".

 

I think we saw that it didn't work in the two previous redrafts. Hopefully it does in this one.

[italstallianion]

You can say it as much as you want, but people won't vote based on "things such as defense, injuries, lockerroom presence, and intangibles".

 

I think we saw that it didn't work in the two previous redrafts. Hopefully it does in this one.

 

 

 

I think that one can make that case in the previous MLB redraft, but defense was definitely considered in the NBA draft, and it was a HUGE part of the NFL draft. I'd argue that defense played a bigger role in the NFL voting than offense.

 

I'll give you the points on lockerroom presence and intangibles, I felt that I was one of the only ones to factor those in. As for injuries, the NBA redraft specifically ignored them, and a lot of the injured NFL players were injured AFTER they were drafted, so I wasn't going to hold that against them.

 

I understand that often the voting can occasionally be subpar, but I think that it's come a long way since the MLB redraft we did over the summer. It isn't perfect, but in the 3 redrafts I've been a part of, I've only seen one final outcome that I'd say was ridiculous and where one team got shafted. There may have been a fair amount of poor votes, but they largely haven't determined the outcome of the matchup.

[YanksHater213]

My main point was you can say things like include intangibles or whatever as much as you want, but I refuse to believe it'll happen until I see it happen. Some of the better "teams" in both of the two previous redrafts were either poorly ranked or didn't get as far as they should have because people didn't take into account anything other than names.

[EXman369]

If the draft is New Years i will not be able to participate, im going on vacation from the 30-8 of January

[yrtb]

I think defense was largely regarded in both of the last two redrafts

 

I don't know exactly what you mean by intangibles, and injuries in these redrafts are weird to deal with because they usually don't have a set timeframe, and do you mean long term or short term injury and anyways, there's just a lot of confusion with that aspect

 

But really, just because you think that a couple of teams weren't as highly ranked as you regarded them does not mean that those teams were shafted. A ton of these matchups were really close and there really is no correct answer, as anything can happen in sports

[italstallianion]

If the draft is New Years i will not be able to participate' date=' im going on vacation from the 30-8 of January[/quote']

 

 

In all fairness, the draft itself would take a long time (a few weeks to a month) so even if we started earlier the vacation time would still hurt you. Unless you had a chance to get online once in a while on vacation.

[Keeper]

We can use WAR to evaluate the players at the end of the season. That's a pretty objective method to determine who has the best team.

[italstallianion]

We can use WAR to evaluate the players at the end of the season. That's a pretty objective method to determine who has the best team.

 

 

True, and that's part of it. There are a lot of metrics that would be pretty useful, but if WAR was the be all and end all then everyone would use in in their drafting strategy.

 

Don't get me wrong, I like WAR and I think it's a good start, but it's not going to be the sole factor in deciding who wins. I'm not accusing you of suggesting that it will, but I didn't want everyone to think that WAR was the only metric that this was based on and start drafting their players solely based on WAR.

[Keeper]

WAR is an all-encompassing stat, though. I'm not saying it should be the only metric we should use, but I think there should be a lot of emphasis on it.

 

If there aren't objective ways to evaluate the players, it will devolve into a pissing contest.

[italstallianion]

I understand, and to clarify, I hope you're talking about 2011 WAR.

 

I agree with you that it's a good start, but the voting shouldn't be simply looking up who has the best WAR and saying that the particular team wins, especially considering that the "owner" here would likely have a different managing strategy (ie lineup, when to use relievers/pinch hitters) etc.

 

Not to mention that if we were going to use 2011 WAR, we'd definitely have to wait until the season was over to vote, which I'm fine with, but that wasn't confirmed by Dipre. I would personally love to have the draft done before the season starts and have the voting start at the end of the season, but that wasn't confirmed, so if we are going to do voting beforehand, we would probably need more voting guidelines.

[Keeper]

Yes, 2011 WAR. It has to be at the end of the 2011 season. I don't see any other way to do it. Nor would I want to do it any other way.

[italstallianion]

Yes' date=' 2011 WAR. [b']It has to be at the end of the 2011 season. I don't see any other way to do it. Nor would I want to do it any other way[/b].

 

 

I agree with you and that's what I had been saying earlier, I was just pointing out that Dipre didn't approve it yet. We'll have to ask him the next time he's on.

 

I'm also going to assume that there will be no adding/dropping throughout the year, so that once the season starts, the rosters permanently lock. Otherwise it would be hard to track with people adding and dropping.

 

Also, when looking at salaries, go with the base salary. Don't factor any of the incentives, or signing bonuses and don't use the AAV.

[Keeper]

I've already done a fair amount of research, but some contracts are harder to find than others, particularly in the case of rookies from 2010. Is there a site that has salaries for every player?

[italstallianion]

I've already done a fair amount of research' date=' but some contracts are harder to find than others, particularly in the case of rookies from 2010. Is there a site that has every salary for every player?[/quote']

 

 

Just search for Cot's Baseball contracts. It's very in depth with past and present contract info and it does minor leagues and major leagues. It isn't great at updating for the newest contracts thus far in the hot stove, and the players are listed on their most recent team. Also a lot of the FA's aren't listed anywhere, but they will eventually be accounted for when they sign a contract.

 

Here's a good start. I happen to be looking at the Twins system at the moment.

 

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/minnesota-twins_17.html

[italstallianion]

On another note (I just thought of this from looking at the Twins contracts) is that if a player is not in baseball in 2010, (like a Cuban or Japanese import) then just use their 2011 salaries.

[Dipre]

I think other than WAR, there are many situational statistics that can be used to defend the worth of a team, there are some things, (like platoon weaknesses) that WAR doesn't account for.

 

As for evaluating teams when the season is over, there's no way we will maintain interest until the end of the season IMO. There has to be another alternative, like doing the voting at mid-season.

[Keeper]

I think other than WAR' date=' there are many situational statistics that can be used to defend the worth of a team, there are some things, (like platoon weaknesses) that WAR doesn't account for.[/quote']

 

I agree that platoon weaknesses and splits in general should be taken into account. I was just saying that WAR is among the better stats for objectivity.

 

As for evaluating teams when the season is over' date=' there's no way we will maintain interest until the end of the season IMO. There has to be another alternative, like doing the voting at mid-season.[/quote']

 

Well, count me out if that's how you want to do it. I'm not going to invest my time and energy into this thing for a freaking mid-season evaluation. Baseball is a marathon, not a sprint. The first half to a season doesn't come close to telling the whole story. Besides, with trades allowed, I think people will remain interested.

[italstallianion]

Hold on Keeper.

 

Dipre, I think it's best to do the voting at the end of the season. I wouldn't worry about "losing interest" because the drafting itself will be done between New Years and the beginning of the season. Besides, most of the people here are regular members and should still be around by the time of the voting. For the few that aren't (if any) their team would still have been completed since the draft will take place before the season begins.

 

In addition, this is unlike other redrafts because we're doing this for the upcoming season and we can literally see who has the best team, so there'd be a lot less ambiguity in terms of who has the best team. If this is a 2011 team we're building, then we might as well wait until the final stats are in. That said, if you wanted to do this years in the future, I think it'd be ok to start voting midseason. But I'd stick to what we have.

 

I also think we should start earlier if possible, but I'm getting ansy because I'm ready to go.

[italstallianion]

Do you have a response Dipre?

[italstallianion]

I spoke with Dipre and he said we'll do the voting at the end of the year, so don't worry about it Keeper. He also wanted to do monthly power rankings to make sure we all stayed interested and committed to this thing, which I'm ok with.

 

In any event, he planned on starting this draft at New Years, but if you guys would like to get it started earlier, that's fine by me. Let me know.

 

And more people are welcome to join by the way.

[italstallianion]

I think that in order to determine draft order, I will pick names out of a hat.