Official College Basketball '10-'11 Thread

[suns]

I hope he stays in school. He is not ready for the NBA

[yankees228]

I hope he stays in school. He is not ready for the NBA

 

I'd be surprised. He's probably a lottery pick.

[suns]

Would Knight be a PG or a SG if he got drafted by the Knicks?

In high school he played SG, in college he had to adjust and play PG.

 

GO GEORGE MASON!

[yankees228]

Would Knight be a PG or a SG if he got drafted by the Knicks?

In high school he played SG, in college he had to adjust and play PG.

 

GO GEORGE MASON!

 

I think his ball handling ability, speed, and feel for the game would make him an excellent NBA PG.

[Jasonbay44]

If I had to guess, id guess Knight enters the draft. Kentucky has another big name PG coming in anyway in Marquis Teague.

 

I know Calipari is in trouble a lot it seems like, but he definitely knows how to get elite point guards.

[Flynnatic10]

If Knight got drafted to the Knicks, it wouldn't make sense since we are trying to acquire CP3, we could try to use Knight as part of a trade. Or he can be a SG.

[yankees228]

If Knight got drafted to the Knicks' date=' it wouldn't make sense since we are trying to acquire CP3, we could try to use Knight as part of a trade. Or he can be a SG.[/quote']

 

I wouldn't count on getting Paul or D-Will. The Knicks don't have all that much cap room to begin with, and signing one of those guys would really limit what they can do for role players ... their biggest weakness right now. Knight would be a nice alternative that not only has star potential at the PG position, but would also allow them space to do things at other spots.

[yankees228]

If I had to guess, id guess Knight enters the draft. Kentucky has another big name PG coming in anyway in Marquis Teague.

 

I know Calipari is in trouble a lot it seems like, but he definitely knows how to get elite point guards.

 

Rose - Evans - Wall - Knight ... four straight years. Pretty amazing.

[Jasonbay44]

Butler/PITT is having craziest/weirdest ending I've ever seen. Wow. Butler scores to take 1 point lead with about 3 seconds left, Pitt inbounds ball, around half court, gets fouled before they can get off a shot, then Pitt makes one of two free throws, so game is tied up at 70, then as Butler comes down with the defensive rebound on the miss free throw they get fouled with 0.8 left and make the game winning free throw to seal the game.

 

Crazy ending to a game. Shelvin Mack played outstanding for Butler.

[yankees228]

Few points.

 

-Both foul calls were legitimate.

 

-Incredibly dumb play by Omir Robinson.

 

-He probably won't take any heat for this (and this is going to come across as a second guess), but Jamie Dixon is not putting his players in the best position to succeed by keeping them on the block in that situation. If the second free throw is missed, the chance of a foul far outweighs the chance of a tip in before time expires. Even if PITT was to get an offensive rebound, it would likely come off a tipped ball, and time would expire before a shot could be attempted.

[Jasonbay44]

Few points.

 

-Both foul calls were legitimate.

 

-Incredibly dumb play by Omir Robinson.

 

-He probably won't take any heat for this (and this is going to come across as a second guess), but Jamie Dixon is not putting his players in the best position to succeed by keeping them on the block in that situation. If the second free throw is missed, the chance of a foul far outweighs the chance of a tip in before time expires. Even if PITT was to get an offensive rebound, it would likely come off a tipped ball, and time would expire before a shot could be attempted.

Both fouls were definitely fouls, no arguing that, but both were incredibly stupid fouls. Shelvin Mack got extremely lucky that someone was dumb enough to commit a foul stupider then his.

 

Great game though, it was really competitive and had insane (although incredibly stupid) ending. My bracket is so screwed though, id be surprised if anybody has a perfect bracket still.

[yankees228]

Both fouls were definitely fouls, no arguing that, but both were incredibly stupid fouls. Shelvin Mack got extremely lucky that someone was dumb enough to commit a foul stupider then his.

 

Great game though, it was really competitive and had insane (although incredibly stupid) ending. My bracket is so screwed though, id be surprised if anybody has a perfect bracket still.

 

Yeah, actually, by the second day, no one on ESPN had a perfect bracket. And with PITT going out, I'm down to three final four teams.

[yankees228]

Gotta feel bad for Jacob Pullen. What a competitor. My guess is that he won't find much success in the NBA, but I guess anything is possible.

[msubulldogs21]

Big East in the Sweet 16: 2

SEC in the Sweet 16: 2

 

lol

[italstallianion]

Ouch, tough way to earn 5,000 posts.

[msubulldogs21]

Ouch' date=' tough way to earn 5,000 posts.[/quote']

 

Don't be mad because the Big East has sucked it up when it matters

[italstallianion]

Don't be mad because the Big East has sucked it up when it matters

 

 

Of all people, shouldn't a Big East fan be mad that the Big East teams are dropping like flies?

 

I don't think that anyone will deny that Big East teams haven't done well thus far, although with 11 teams in the tournament there were a few games where they played each other. I also think that most of those 11 teams deserved spots in the tournament, and I'd argue that the Big East is, and almost always has been the best basketball conference in college basketball (although it's sometimes a tie with the ACC), but I know that you weren't bringing up the SEC comment to insinuate that argument, so I'm certainly not mad at you.

 

Besides, my team is one of the 2 Big East teams remaining (I'd have lost a bet on that one), so at the moment I'm happy.

[msubulldogs21]

Of all people, shouldn't a Big East fan be mad that the Big East teams are dropping like flies?

 

I don't think that anyone will deny that Big East teams haven't done well thus far, although with 11 teams in the tournament there were a few games where they played each other. I also think that most of those 11 teams deserved spots in the tournament, and I'd argue that the Big East is, and almost always has been the best basketball conference in college basketball (although it's sometimes a tie with the ACC), but I know that you weren't bringing up the SEC comment to insinuate that argument, so I'm certainly not mad at you.

 

Besides, my team is one of the 2 Big East teams remaining (I'd have lost a bet on that one), so at the moment I'm happy.

 

Yeah, obviously I was kidding around. I just thought it was funny that a conference that had so many highly ranked teams only has two left to show for it now, whereas the SEC was pretty mediocre this season and has the same amount remaining.

[italstallianion]

Yeah' date=' obviously I was kidding around. I just thought it was funny that a conference that had so many highly ranked teams only has two left to show for it now, whereas the SEC was pretty mediocre this season and has the same amount remaining.[/quote']

 

 

The numbers don't lie, that's for sure. Maybe there's something in the water. I wonder what would happen if every team got a rematch. I think there's a reason why very quickly on nobody had a shot at a perfect bracket.

[ORS]

Of all people, shouldn't a Big East fan be mad that the Big East teams are dropping like flies?

 

I don't think that anyone will deny that Big East teams haven't done well thus far, although with 11 teams in the tournament there were a few games where they played each other. I also think that most of those 11 teams deserved spots in the tournament, and I'd argue that the Big East is, and almost always has been the best basketball conference in college basketball (although it's sometimes a tie with the ACC), but I know that you weren't bringing up the SEC comment to insinuate that argument, so I'm certainly not mad at you.

 

Besides, my team is one of the 2 Big East teams remaining (I'd have lost a bet on that one), so at the moment I'm happy.

That's recent history. There's also the mid 80's where you had Georgetown, St John's, Syracuse, and Villanova. However, in between these eras, you pretty much had UConn and nobody else, while the ACC was pretty clearly the best conference in NCAA basketball. Duke, UNC, some very good GTech teams, some very good Wake teams, Maryland toward the end of the 90's and early 2000's.

 

I realize you said "almost always", but even that is overstating it, IMO.

[italstallianion]

That's recent history. There's also the mid 80's where you had Georgetown, St John's, Syracuse, and Villanova. However, in between these eras, you pretty much had UConn and nobody else, while the ACC was pretty clearly the best conference in NCAA basketball. Duke, UNC, some very good GTech teams, some very good Wake teams, Maryland toward the end of the 90's and early 2000's.

 

I realize you said "almost always", but even that is overstating it, IMO.

 

 

Perhaps, but in my defense I was born in '88. So as far as I've been alive and watching, it's almost always been about the Big East. (With the ACC being the only consistent challenger)

[msubulldogs21]

Perhaps' date=' but in my defense I was born in '88. So as far as I've been alive and watching, it's almost always been about the Big East. (With the ACC being the only consistent challenger)[/quote']

 

I think it's interesting that for as good as the Big East has been over the years, they haven't produced a national champ since UConn in '04. Then you have this year where a lot of really good teams flamed out early in the tournament (Louisville, Pitt, St Johns, etc).

[italstallianion]

I think it's interesting that for as good as the Big East has been over the years' date=' they haven't produced a national champ since UConn in '04. Then you have this year where a lot of really good teams flamed out early in the tournament (Louisville, Pitt, St Johns, etc).[/quote']

 

 

To that point, I don't think that St. John's is a really good team, I'd be hesitant to call them a straight up good team to begin with. And I think that Pitt's loss was a bit of a fluke considering the circumstances. I'm not saying that Butler doesn't deserve to go on to the next round, but I'm saying that I wouldn't say that Pitt "flamed out" in a very controversial last second 1 point loss to a team that reached the finals last year.

 

I have no argument for Louisville, I did not see that one coming by a longshot.

 

As for the rest of the Big East, the reason why the Big East is usually on top is because of its depth. A lot of the other conferences are very top heavy while the Big East provides a lot of strong and very good teams. However, a lot of the Big East teams don't pull in ridiculous recruits like Kansas, Kentucky, or Ohio State. That's why I think the Big East relies more on coaching and tough/grinding basketball rather than NBA street basketball. (Kemba Walker aside)

[yankees228]

To that point, I don't think that St. John's is a really good team, I'd be hesitant to call them a straight up good team to begin with. And I think that Pitt's loss was a bit of a fluke considering the circumstances. I'm not saying that Butler doesn't deserve to go on to the next round, but I'm saying that I wouldn't say that Pitt "flamed out" in a very controversial last second 1 point loss to a team that reached the finals last year.

 

I have no argument for Louisville, I did not see that one coming by a longshot.

 

As for the rest of the Big East, the reason why the Big East is usually on top is because of its depth. A lot of the other conferences are very top heavy while the Big East provides a lot of strong and very good teams. However, a lot of the Big East teams don't pull in ridiculous recruits like Kansas, Kentucky, or Ohio State. That's why I think the Big East relies more on coaching and tough/grinding basketball rather than NBA street basketball. (Kemba Walker aside)

 

The Big East is a good conference, there's no disputing that, but I think there are two other factors that explain why they get so many teams in the tourney. The first, and obvious one, is that the conference has so many teams to begin with. But the reason that people often overlook is that Big East powerhouses are notorious for playing very weak out of conference schedules. All of these factors probably make the conference a bit overrated, and leads to disappointing performances come tournament time.

[yankees228]

Also, what does everyone think about the games tonight? I've got UConn, Florida, Duke, and Butler. I'm really looking forward to seeing how Duke defends Derrick Williams, probably more than anything.

[yankees228]

He shoots a subpar percentage but the more Kemba I watch the more I like him.

[italstallianion]

His shooting percentage isn't as bad as his decision making.

[yankees228]

His shooting percentage isn't as bad as his decision making.

 

Yup true. Anyway, for all the POY talk surrounding Kemba and Jimmer, the best player in the nation (and the best pro prospect) is Derrick Williams.

[italstallianion]

Yup true. Anyway' date=' for all the POY talk surrounding Kemba and Jimmer, the best player in the nation (and the best pro prospect) is Derrick Williams.[/quote']

 

 

I'm not sure if I agree that Williams is (necessarily) the top pro prospect, however I think he's a clear favourite in that discussion. I think that Walker could be up there (and could be a top 5 pick) IF he improved his decision making and shooting efficiency. I'd love for him to stay for his senior year, but I think we all know that's not going to happen.

[yankees228]

Interesting ... who do you think is the best pro prospect?