MLB Hot Stove 2010

[jacksonianmarch]

3 yrs $5.5 mil per is not insane for a guy who came off the yr he did.

[italstallianion]

It's not insane if he's the closer.

[Palodios]

Considering he's a 33 year old reliever with a career ERA of 4.47, I think a 3 year deal is a little insane.

[BSN07]

Considering he's a 33 year old reliever with a career ERA of 4.47' date=' I think a 3 year deal is a little insane.[/quote']

 

Yes I prbably wasn't clear. I was more shocked at the years more then the dollars.

[redsoxrules]

Enrique Rojas of ESPN Deportes tweets that Oakland offered Beltre five years and $64MM, the same contract he signed with Seattle before the 2005 season.

 

Tigers are also in pursuit in Adam Dunn

[BSN07]

Tigers are also in pursuit in Adam Dunn

 

Oakland has a hard on for Beltre. I was pretty sure he as gone anyways. But this just confirms it. That along with the article stating the Sox won't go above 4/52.

[BSN07]

Regarding Albert Pujols, Cardinals owner Bill DeWitt does not want to repeat Alex Rodriguez's ten-year, $275MM contract. In fact, he believes the Yankees would retract A-Rod's deal if they could. Heyman floated an eight-year, $240MM deal to DeWitt, who questioned the $30MM salary.

 

He better get used to the idea of 30M annually. If not pretty damn close to it. If I'm a Cardinals fan, my blood pressure went up a little with that statement lol

[Spudboy]

What did Mauer end up with?

[Spudboy]

$8/184?

[redsoxrules]

Pujols > Arod

 

but the question is , is ANY team not named the Yankee's that would give 30M a year for someone ?

[BSN07]

Pujols > Arod

 

but the question is , is ANY team not named the Yankee's that would give 30M a year for someone ?

 

That is the 30M dollar question isn't it?

[Palodios]

Arod-27, Sabathia-23, Tex-22, Jeter-19

 

Howard got 25 a year from the Phillies

Mauer got 23 a year from the Twins

Santana got 22 a year from the Mets

Manny got 20 a year from the Sox

 

From the look of it, the 20-25 mark is very difficult to break as it is. I see Pujols getting the courtesy of getting a contract bigger than Tex's, but I don't think the Cardinals/Sox/Mets/Whoever would be willing to shell out A-rod money.

[redsoxrules]

The Yankees want to re-sign Mariano Rivera to a one-year deal, but the closer wants a two-year contract worth about $18MM per season, according to Yahoo's Jeff Passan (on Twitter). Jon Heyman of SI.com reported on Friday that Rivera was looking for a two-year deal and it now appears that the 40-year-old wants a raise from his 2010 salary of $15MM

 

 

Do it ! lol

[a700hitter]

Do it ! lol

...and Mo on the Yankees helps the Red Sox ... how?

[Divinity]

The Boston Globe reports that the New York Yankees are offering Lee a deal worth between $115 million and $120 million for five seasons.

That means he would make about $23 million or $24 million annually.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

The Boston Globe reports that the New York Yankees are offering Lee a deal worth between $115 million and $120 million for five seasons.

That means he would make about $23 million or $24 million annually.

 

:thumbdown <_>

[italstallianion]

I don't see the Sox matching that one.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Me either but I do not want to see Lee on the Yankees. I'm pretty sure many people don't want to see him in pinstripes.

[Palodios]

115? That seems cheap to me. If the Red Sox were willing to pay 104 for 6 years of Dice-k, I feel like they can do a little better for Lee.

[redsoxrules]

...and Mo on the Yankees helps the Red Sox ... how?

 

dude, Rivera is pitching for the Yankee's next season no matter what , so the more they spend on him the less money they have left for elsewheres

[a700hitter]

dude' date=' Rivera is pitching for the Yankee's next season no matter what , so the more they spend on him the less money they have left for elsewheres[/quote']They still have $115 million to spend on Lee, so it doesn't seem to be helping us much.

[a700hitter]

115? That seems cheap to me. If the Red Sox were willing to pay 104 for 6 years of Dice-k' date=' I feel like they can do a little better for Lee.[/quote']You fool! Don't you understand that $52 million didn't count. It was a signing fee so it wasn't real money. Plus, the Red Sox souvenir shop in Tokyo is now very very popular. I agree with you 100%

[Palodios]

You fool! Don't you understand that $52 million didn't count. It was a signing fee so it wasn't real money. Plus' date=' the Red Sox souvenir shop in Tokyo is now very very popular. I agree with you 100%[/quote']

 

I just don't get why people don't accept the signing fee as part of the deal. Even as a die-hard Dice-k supporter, the situation is what it is. And I'm sticking to the belief that his disagreements with Farrell impacted his training and performance, and that he will have a strong 2011.

[a700hitter]

I just don't get why people don't accept the signing fee as part of the deal. Even as a die-hard Dice-k supporter' date=' the situation is what it is. And I'm sticking to the belief that his disagreements with Farrell impacted his training and performance, and that he will have a strong 2011.[/quote']

 

We can only hope. I thought 2010 would be his bounce back season after an injury marred 2009, but it didn't turn out that way. I suspect that the health of his shoulder is not that good. Unless he really shoots out the lights in 2011 and 2012, the Sox overpaid for him by a big margin.

[BSN07]

We can only hope. I thought 2010 would be his bounce back season after an injury marred 2009' date=' but it didn't turn out that way. I suspect that the health of his shoulder is not that good. Unless he really shoots out the lights in 2011 and 2012,[b'] the Sox overpaid for him by a big margin[/b].

 

Here's a quick look at the top 5 SP that were available at the time and what they have done since signing their respective deals.

 

Barry Zito- 7/126M, 40-57, 4.47 ERA 767.3 IP

 

Gil Meche- 5/55M, 29-39, 4.60 ERA 616.3 IP

 

Ted Lilly- 4/40M, 54-38, 3.66 ERA 781 IP

 

Jeff Suppan- 4/42M 32-42, 4.98 ERA 645 IP

 

Dice-K- 6/52M(you can debate the posting fee all you want, but as it has no bearing on his AAV, which in turn has no effect on the Luxury Tax. So it does not effect the Sox operating budget like it would if they signed him to a 6 year 102M contract)- 46-27, 4.18 ERA 585 IP

 

 

He is not as over paid as Zito. Suppan is a RP now. Meche is struggling to stay healthy. Lilly has been the best of the group. But he's been pitching in a fairly weak NL Central for the better part of his contract. The Red Sox got at the time the 2nd best SP out of the top 5 for the fifth highest AAV amongst the group. And out of the 5, Dice-K probably has the best upside over the next 2 seasons. I would say Lilly. But I'm holding his age against him in this particular comparison

[a700hitter]

Here's a quick look at the top 5 SP that were available at the time and what they have done since signing their respective deals.

 

Barry Zito- 7/126M, 40-57, 4.47 ERA 767.3 IP

 

Gil Meche- 5/55M, 29-39, 4.60 ERA 616.3 IP

 

Ted Lilly- 4/40M, 54-38, 3.66 ERA 781 IP

 

Jeff Suppan- 4/42M 32-42, 4.98 ERA 645 IP

 

Dice-K- 6/52M(you can debate the posting fee all you want, but as it has no bearing on his AAV, which in turn has no effect on the Luxury Tax. So it does not effect the Sox operating budget like it would if they signed him to a 6 year 102M contract)- 46-27, 4.18 ERA 585 IP

 

 

He is not as over paid as Zito. Suppan is a RP now. Meche is struggling to stay healthy. Lilly has been the best of the group. But he's been pitching in a fairly weak NL Central for the better part of his contract. The Red Sox got at the time the 2nd best SP out of the top 5 for the fifth highest AAV amongst the group. And out of the 5, Dice-K probably has the best upside over the next 2 seasons. I would say Lilly. But I'm holding his age against him in this particular comparison

They all stink and they are all overpaid. Those bad contracts don't make Dice K's look any better. The only one that had a good track record was Zito, but it was clear that he just could no longer throw with any velocity. The others were just different degrees of mediocrity, and those were stupid contracts, but they were about half the cost of Dice K's contract.. There is no debating the posting fee. Just because it doesn't hit payroll for luxury tax purposes doesn't mean that it isn't real money. It was a $52 million expense, for which they received nothing other than an exclusive right to negotiate. He cost them $104 million, no matter how you slice it. The posting fee is a bigger financial blunder than the salary, because Dice K's salary and the salaries of Meche, Lilly and Suppan were spread over several years making them worth much less than the $52 million lump sum posting fee paid in 2006. The time value of the money makes the posting expense even more egregiously wasteful.

[BSN07]

Who cares if it's "wasted"? So some billionaires wasted 52M, big whoop. It has no bearing on the operating budget for the teams payroll, which is what is important. When it comes to payroll, luxury tax, operating budget for filling out the teams roster, the 52M is meaningless.

 

Now if Theo comes out and says well we would like to go after this guy but we can't because of all the money we had to pay in Dice-K's posting fee, then I will have an issue. But until then, that 52M is irrelevant to me. But that's just my opinion.

[a700hitter]

Who cares if it's "wasted"? So some billionaires wasted 52M, big whoop. It has no bearing on the operating budget for the teams payroll, which is what is important. When it comes to payroll, luxury tax, operating budget for filling out the teams roster, the 52M is meaningless.

 

Now if Theo comes out and says well we would like to go after this guy but we can't because of all the money we had to pay in Dice-K's posting fee, then I will have an issue. But until then, that 52M is irrelevant to me. But that's just my opinion.

If it is irrelevant then why would you bother to compare contracts at all. Under that theory, none of the money spent is relevant. Why would it make a difference if it hit payroll? There is no salary cap. Luxury Tax would just be more money spent by billionaires, so what is the difference. $52 million in a lump sum is a huge check. It's not spread over a period of years. It's much more expensive worse than paying $52 million over six years. I can assure you that $52 million factored into their operating budget.

 

Edit: BTW Who is acting like the Yankee fan by calling $52 million irrelevant?

[BSN07]

If it is irrelevant then why would you bother to compare contracts at all. Under that theory, none of the money spent is relevant. Why would it make a difference if it hit payroll? There is no salary cap. Luxury Tax would just be more money spent by billionaires, so what is the difference. $52 million in a lump sum is a huge check. It's not spread over a period of years. It's much more expensive worse than paying $52 million over six years. I can assure you that $52 million factored into their operating budget.

 

Edit: BTW Who is acting like the Yankee fan by calling $52 million irrelevant?

 

It's irrelevant because it doesn't count against the budget for other roster moves. I'm not saying it's not a huge chunk of change. Just that to me it's falls more in lines with stadium upgrades, you know that sort of thing. Yes it cost the club money, but it doesn't effect the payroll. See where I'm coming from? The only money I am concerned with when comparing players contracts and worth is their AAV. Which counts towards the luxury tax. That is the important number that all other on field baseball decisions are made off of. And those are the only ones I really care about.

[a700hitter]

It's irrelevant because it doesn't count against the budget for other roster moves. I'm not saying it's not a huge chunk of change. Just that to me it's falls more in lines with stadium upgrades' date=' you know that sort of thing. Yes it cost the club money, but it doesn't effect the payroll. See where I'm coming from? The only money I am concerned with when comparing players contracts and worth is their AAV. Which counts towards the luxury tax. That is the important number that all other on field baseball decisions are made off of. And those are the only ones I really care about.[/quote']It goes toward reducing profit -- which is the most important financial statistic. All of these other arguments make no sense. The cost of Dice K is was $104 million and $52 million was front loaded making it much more expensive than a 6yr/$104 million deal. Money is money. It doesn't matter where you book the expense. It still shrinks the bottom line. I'm guessing that you have a liberal arts degree.