The Official 2010 Hot Stove Thread.

[italstallianion]

Johnny Damon told Lou Merloni of WEEI.com that he would love to play in Boston again. He vetoed a trade that would have sent him from Detroit to Boston this summer, but he says things are different now that he's a free agent.

 

“Obviously, I’d love to return to Boston,” he said. “I loved playing there, and I think it would be a perfect fit, with the chance to win again. I know I could do that in Boston.”

 

 

Weren't the Sox trying to get him during the past season?

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Thanks Ital. I was only reading what Damon quoted.

[Dipre]

Giving Cliff Lee seven years and 163 is pretty insane. he will be 32 next year so by the end he will be 39. 7/163. He will get it but I hope not from the Sox. I would have to assume that he will decline in his ability by the end of the deal.

 

Yet it's still better than giving Crawford 120 million + because he can run, even though he can't hit lefties.

 

Oh, and while factoring in his OPS while adding SB to it, you have to substract the CS, and find out how many of those SB came against lefty pitching, and i'm willing to bet not many because he can't hit lefties at all.

[redsoxrules]

Yet it's still better than giving Crawford 120 million + because he can run, even though he can't hit lefties.

 

Oh, and while factoring in his OPS while adding SB to it, you have to substract the CS, and find out how many of those SB came against lefty pitching, and i'm willing to bet not many because he can't hit lefties at all.

 

so in other words it would be awesome if the Sox get Lee and the Yankee's get Crawford as Crawford wouldn't do jack s*** VS a duo of Lee and Lester

[Dipre]

so in other words it would be awesome if the Sox get Lee and the Yankee's get Crawford as Crawford wouldn't do jack s*** VS a duo of Lee and Lester

 

My perfect "rest of offseason" scenario:

 

Sox get:

 

Martin

Willingham/Ordonez/Beltran

Guerrier

Fuentes

 

Yankees get:

 

Crap.

 

Angels get:

 

Crawford

 

Texas gets:

 

Lee

 

The above post doesn't represent a scenario i've personally ever said i've wanted. What i'm saying is that if they were to choose between the two, i'd go with Lee because Crawford is a flawed ballplayer and he's terribly overrated.

[soxfan74]

Johnny Damon told Lou Merloni of WEEI.com that he would love to play in Boston again. He vetoed a trade that would have sent him from Detroit to Boston this summer, but he says things are different now that he's a free agent.

 

“Obviously, I’d love to return to Boston,” he said. “I loved playing there, and I think it would be a perfect fit, with the chance to win again. I know I could do that in Boston.”

 

Of course it's good for him now. He doesn't have a job. We don't need him.

[italstallianion]

My perfect "rest of offseason" scenario:

 

Sox get:

 

Martin

Willingham/Ordonez/Beltran

Guerrier

Fuentes

 

Yankees get:

 

Crap.

 

Angels get:

 

Crawford

 

Texas gets:

 

Lee

 

The above post doesn't represent a scenario i've personally ever said i've wanted. What i'm saying is that if they were to choose between the two, i'd go with Lee because Crawford is a flawed ballplayer and he's terribly overrated.

 

 

 

The only thing I'd change from that is to add another reliever instead of Russell Martin. Someone like Crain.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

My perfect "rest of offseason" scenario:

 

Sox get:

 

Martin

Willingham/Ordonez/Beltran

Guerrier

Fuentes

 

Yankees get:

 

Crap.

 

Angels get:

 

Crawford

 

Texas gets:

 

Lee

 

The above post doesn't represent a scenario i've personally ever said i've wanted. What i'm saying is that if they were to choose between the two, i'd go with Lee because Crawford is a flawed ballplayer and he's terribly overrated.

 

Chances of this happening? Anyone?

[Jasonbay44]

Chances of this happening? Anyone?

 

Id say unlikely.. I really doubt they end up not getting Lee, Crawford on the other hand sounds like he is going to the Angels.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Chances of this happening? Anyone?

 

Zero. Lee will become a NYY.

[Dipre]

If he stays in Texas, not only am i going to laugh at everyone who assured he's going to the Yankees, but i will also add Jell-O shots to the keg party i'll be throwing.

[Will617]

If he stays in Texas' date=' not only am i going to laugh at everyone who assured he's going to the Yankees, but i will also add Jell-O shots to the keg party i'll be throwing.[/quote']

 

Think I'll personally contribute to the Rangers' funds for Cliff Lee.

[Will617]

Chances of this happening? Anyone?

 

Depends. If Crawford goes off the board first, then maybe. But if the Yankees don't get Lee, there will be hell to pay for every other team that wants Crawford.

[Jasonbay44]

Lee to make decision by Sunday:

 

Cliff Lee will sign with a team before the end of the weekend, according to FoxSports.com's Ken Rosenthal.

We still don't know who the front-runner for his services are, but we do know that the Yankees made an official offer Wednesday. Yankees general manager Brian Cashman told the New York Post that the proposal was between $137.5-$150 million. Reports out of New York have the initial offer worth around $140 million over six years -- about $23 million per season. The Rangers also met with Lee’s agent Darek Braunecker on Wednesday, but details of their offer haven't been leaked. Lee, 32, posted a 3.18 ERA and 1.00 WHIP over 28 starts this past year, striking out 185 batters against only 18 walks. Dec. 8 - 10:08 pm et

 

Rotoworld

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

This should be good. Considering he doesn't sign the Yankees of course.

[SoxSport]

The ticker on MLB.com says the Yankees make a PRELIMINARY offer to Lee.

 

Both Mitch Williams and Harold Reynolds just predicted Texas for Lee. Must be something there.

I thought his agent returning to Arkansas might be a tipoff. Nolan Ryan probably has a few oilmen to help pay the bills down there.

[redsoxrules]

•Rangers president Nolan Ryan told MLB.com's T.R. Sullivan that the Rangers have asked Braunecker to tell them what it will take to sign Lee. The Rangers have not made an offer, but they're considering a six-year deal, since they expect it will take a long-term commitment to sign Lee

[example1]

I don't think people fully appreciate the magnitude of contracts like these. They leave absolutely no room for error. If Lee hurts his arm in the first or second year of a 6-7 year contract then you're looking at real problems for any franchise.

 

Yes, their upside is tremendous, but if you can get 85% the player for 1/10 the cost then you go in that direction and use the money elsewhere.

[Meh]

Sox got Crawford

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/12/red-sox-agree-to-sign-carl-crawford.html

[BigPapiEnFuego]

The Red Sox have agreed to a seven-year, $142MM deal with Carl Crawford, according to Peter Abraham of the Boston Globe (on Twitter).

 

 

ohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohogd

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

HOLY s***! a700 is going to bust a nut.

[Will617]

HOLY s***! a700 is going to bust a nut.

 

a700: Daily Remind - oh wait. I bet Theo got his lunch eaten in the negotiations, though.

:harhar:

[Dipre]

a700: Daily Remind - oh wait. I bet Theo got his lunch eaten in the negotiations, though.

:harhar:

 

If i see him bitch about anything, i swear to God.....

[Will617]

Does Crawford play LF or RF? I'm thinking RF, given that there's pretty much nothing to patrol in left. Where does he bat? I think it's doubtful the Sox can go L/R/L/R/etc. Where does this leave the Sox with the rest of the offseason? They still have about $28 million under the luxury tax before arbitration; if Papelbon gets $10 million, and Ellsbury gets $3-5, that leaves enough for a couple relievers and a bunch of long-shot signings (Atchison 2.0 stuff), and not much else. Maybe Russell Martin.

This is a big signing, but I don't know whether it's the right move going forward. Basically, my thoughts on Crawford are: f*** the Nationals, honestly.

[WhiskeyBreath]

If i see him bitch about anything' date=' i swear to God.....[/quote']

 

He gets the http://uploads.forumwarz.com/user-uploaded/6aa49564b5001.gif if he does.

[Mikon]

"It's all about the show? Freakin' yeah".

 

I have mixed feelings. A hell of a player... a hell of money spent.

 

Is Theo the guy from Kiss that screams, at the start of the show: "YOU wanted the BEST you've GOT the best...!!!"

[WhiskeyBreath]

This isn't Theo. This is ownership.

[Will617]

I think the biggest benefit of this signing will be Burnett's face and stats every time he pitches against the Sox.

[MNSoxChief102]

This is priceless...

 

http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/mlbbuzz/do_we_have_our_mystery_team/3759685

 

Before signing Carl Crawford, the Red Sox may have engaged in some good old-fashioned negotiating hijinks. It would be just like the Sox to throw a monkey wrench into the Yankees’ attempt to sign Cliff Lee. And this little stunt, if it indeed happened, would have qualified.

 

The Sox are one team that made a seven-year offer to Lee, according to officials with another club. But there was a catch. The offer was for a lower dollar figure than Lee would accept, making it an offer that Lee was certain to refuse.

 

Why would the Sox do such a thing?

 

Because with such an offer, they would empower Lee’s agents to say they had a seven-year bid, potentially forcing the Yankees to increase their six-year proposal. The Yankees do not plan to go beyond six years for Lee, according to a source with knowledge of the club’s thinking.

 

The Red Sox often bid on free agents that the Yankees want to drive up the price. The Yankees often do the same thing in reverse. In fact, that was at least part of their motivation in entering the fray for Crawford.

[a700hitter]

This is priceless...

 

http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/mlbbuzz/do_we_have_our_mystery_team/3759685

 

Before signing Carl Crawford, the Red Sox may have engaged in some good old-fashioned negotiating hijinks. It would be just like the Sox to throw a monkey wrench into the Yankees’ attempt to sign Cliff Lee. And this little stunt, if it indeed happened, would have qualified.

 

The Sox are one team that made a seven-year offer to Lee, according to officials with another club. But there was a catch. The offer was for a lower dollar figure than Lee would accept, making it an offer that Lee was certain to refuse.

 

Why would the Sox do such a thing?

 

Because with such an offer, they would empower Lee’s agents to say they had a seven-year bid, potentially forcing the Yankees to increase their six-year proposal. The Yankees do not plan to go beyond six years for Lee, according to a source with knowledge of the club’s thinking.

 

The Red Sox often bid on free agents that the Yankees want to drive up the price. The Yankees often do the same thing in reverse. In fact, that was at least part of their motivation in entering the fray for Crawford.

Red Sox FO eating the Yankees lunch. I like.